In 1889 Samuel Pierpont Langley, a famed astronomer, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and soon to be the one of the pioneers of aviation, described the scientific community as "a pack of hounds ... where the louder-voiced bring many to follow them nearly as often in a wrong path as in a right one, where the entire pack even has been known to move off bodily on a false scent."
Now I am loath to describe as hounds those well meaning, open minded scientists, who are willing to look objectively at the observations and to see which model best fit those observations. The occasional loud hound type is still around and make their presence known when they denigrate a chosen people and present an emotive argument rather than one based on facts and reason.

The Texas supercollider was inefficient, wasteful of energy and of inferior design. The EU did it in 17 km vice 57 miles for the Texas machine (perhaps 53).

It is remarkable, rather valuable information

AWESOME!

This could possibly be a faked asteroid collision which down the line a bit destroyed civilisation.A 30 km asteroid is coming in 2012 and this would cover anybodys arse in the future and keep the same fucking morons running the show until they decide its time to cull the billions once again.How do you wankers know that they didnt do this 5000 yrs ago and now the time has come again.If you look at history climate change happens every 5000 yrs or so. What is the purpose of the international space station?Anyone.And the unidentified ancient sattelites hovering over antarctica?Put the pieces together.Your world is run by terrorists.

HMMM..... WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT I WAS VERY EXCITED & I WANT SUCH THINGS SHOULD HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY.WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY ABOUT IT THAT IT MIGHT BE THE END OF WORLD I DONOT CARE OF THAT.

It is draw?

I am unaware of a 30 km asteroid although there are space rocks out there. As far as asteroids go there is Apophis on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis at about 350 meters across. On a larger scale there is 3753 Cruithne on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne at 5 km (3 mile) across. Neither appears to be a threat at this time.

To disrupt the one to one orbit of 3753 Cruithne with earth a direct impact or a significant blast disrupting the rotation or angle of rotation of the earth would have to occur. It would take a trillion tonnes of anti-matter to destroy a 6 trillion trillion tonne earth.

Unlikely but a lesser blast at the optimum latitude could cause a wobble. If it happens then those two would need recalculation.

I — the same opinion.

Es kann man unendlich besprechen

Lots of arguments and sceptism about the "World End"... There is no prove that we will die or not, scientists aint on this level, if they do not know exactly what will this experiment turn it to.

Do not put your nose where you shouldnt, better not to do experiment at all. It's not about science, it's about our lifes.

Scientists do know theoreticaly the information on black holes for example, but they were never sure what does exactly happens, apparently things disapear in there, so why do they bother going against their own theory, making the black holes whitch will then through the gravity will suck off the earth and near by planets.

Collider will never be running properly, simple of the cause of nature and ourselfs. We wont let it.

GOOD LUCK .
FROM ISRAEL

Para mi es lo mas grandioso que el hombra ha construido , no cabe en mi mente que pueda ocurrir un desastre, en primer lugar no tengo el alcance de conocimiento que tienen los físicos que lo han creado.
Siempre que se esta construyendo algo grande , el humano ignorante siempre se aferra a sus supertisiones y despues de probado el proyecto hace uso de él .
Estoy esperando los primeros diás de agosto para su prueba. Yo deseo y felicito a los
estan haciendo este proyecto y que todo salga como lo esperado.

Hi my name is Bharath i am a diploma student i know nothing much about colliders, or photons but i very much love science. When i see these scientists taking limit of science to higher level i wish i want to be just like them so that i can discover more science mysteries. I really liked the work the scientists have done.

I have just discovered the reason for the construction of this machine; it will be used very similarly to the "Stargate" shown on TV. It's not a space portal but a dimensional one, and not to explore but to release beings imprisoned within a dimensional prison. There is a specific date when the machine will work; and the entities (about 200) will be released upon our World. They were here before 4000 BC; and lived as "gods" because of their spiritual power; good looks; and brilliance; but they caused much bloodshed on Earth! Their return will usher the New World Order and a time of tyranny such as the World will never see again (after the True King returns in about 7 years). Genesis 6 gives a brief discription. of thei

its a new world if the large Haudron Collider could wok properly.........
and the pictures are awesome.....

Why does E=mc 2? (and why should we care?) written by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw. Half way through it and my brain hurts, can't wait for end of September 2009!

more pictures please!

wath's next ...

Wish I could work at Cern. Good Luck!! Keep everyone posted as to what happens.

All this about the Hadron Collider is only further proof that "Man's wisdom is God's foolishness."

Interesting and informative. But will you write about this one more?

“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.” - Albert Einstein

You can choose to agree or disagree with Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. You can choose to believe or not believe in God. You can say that the bible was written by a few men who were trying to explain human nature and that we were created by an inanimate particle. Yet you cannot explain to me how the men who wrote the bible knew exactly what to say to comfort me during some difficult times in my life - better advice than I have ever received from a psychiatrist. God is real and He understands quantum physics, as well as human nature. Trying to learn about God through science is, to me, like my children trying to understand my love for them by studying my big toe. If you want to get to heaven, I suggest reading how to from the One who created it (let go of any disbelieving attitude you have first). If you insist on believing there is no heaven, and we are only here because we are one possibility in an infinite, multi-dimensional, universe, then my only remaining question is "Are God and heaven possible?"

By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS, Associated Press Writer Alexander G. Higgins, Associated Press Writer – Sun Aug 9, 2:29 am ET
GENEVA – When launched to great fanfare nearly a year ago, some feared the Large Hadron Collider would create a black hole that would suck in the world. It turns out the Hadron may be the black hole.

The world's largest scientific machine has cost $10 billion, has worked only nine days and has yet to smash an atom. The unique equipment in a 17-mile (27-kilometer) circular tunnel with cathedral-sized detectors deep beneath the Swiss-French border has been assembled by specialists in many countries, with 8,970 physicists eagerly awaiting the startup.

But despite the expense, thousands of physicists around the world, many of whom hope to conduct experiments here, insist that it will work and that it is crucial to mankind's understanding of the universe.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research, known as CERN, said Friday it would restart the collider in November at half power under pressure from scientists eager to conduct experiments to unlock secrets of the universe.

But spokesman James Gillies told The Associated Press they would have to shut down yet again next year to finish repairs so that the Large Hadron Collider can operate at full energy of 7 trillion electron volts — seven times higher than any other machine in the world.

CERN has been working since late last year to repair the damage caused by a faulty electrical joint. The breakdown occurred nine days after the spectacular start up of the $10 billion machine last Sept. 10 when beams of subatomic particles were sent around the accelerator in opposite directions.

Fifty-three massive electrical magnets had to be cleaned and repaired after the failure. Tons of supercold liquid helium spilled out of the system, and a sooty residue had to be cleared from the tubes that are meant to be pristine, holding a vacuum in which subatomic particles can whiz around the tunnel at near the speed of light at temperatures colder than outer space.

Michio Kaku, a physics professor at City University of New York who is an outspoken critic of waste in big science projects, defends the CERN collider as a crucial investment.

"The Europeans and the Americans are not throwing $10 billion down this gigantic tube for nothing," Kaku said. "We're exploring the very forefront of physics and cosmology with the Large Hadron Collider because we want to have a window on creation, we want to recreate a tiny piece of Genesis to unlock some of the greatest secrets of the universe."

He said the biggest cause of the "bad accident" last year was "probably due to human error caused by rushing the project."

"But I view it as a temporary black eye. We'll get it up and running," Kaku said.

CERN expects repairs and additional safety systems to cost about 40 million Swiss francs ($37 million) over the course of several years, covered by the 20-nation organization's budget.

The collider emerged as the world's largest after the U.S. canceled the Superconducting Super Collider being built in Texas in 1993. Congress pulled the plug after costs soared, and questions were raised about the value of the science it could produce.

Gillies says all 20 of CERN's member nations have remained supportive and that four other countries — Cyprus, Israel, Serbia and Turkey — have asked to join. A fifth country — Slovenia — has expressed interest.

Japan, India, Russia and the U.S. are observer countries that have made sizable contributions to the CERN project.

CERN is now aiming to restart the machine in November with beams of subatomic particles initially running at 3.5 trillion electron volts, or TeV. That's only half the level the machine was designed for, but it's still 3 1/2 times higher than the second most powerful accelerator, the Tevatron at Fermilab outside Chicago. During last year's brief startup phase, the CERN collider only operated at half the Fermilab level.

Even as the machine is being calibrated this winter, scientists will be able to conduct experiments, collecting data on the collisions of protons and lead ions in the accelerator.

They hope the higher energy will enable them to see particles so far undetected, such as the elusive Higgs boson, which in theory gives mass to other particles — and objects and creatures — in the universe.

Physicists have used smaller, room-temperature colliders for decades to study the atom. They once thought protons and neutrons were the smallest components of the atom's nucleus, but the colliders showed that they are made of quarks and gluons and that there are other forces and particles. And they still have other questions about antimatter, dark matter and particle mass they want to answer with CERN's new collider.

They hope the fragments that come off the collisions will show on a tiny scale what happened one-trillionth of a second after the so-called Big Bang, which many scientists theorize was the massive explosion that formed the universe. The theory holds that the universe was rapidly cooling at that stage and matter was changing quickly.

Some skeptics have expressed fears the high-energy collision of protons could imperil the Earth by creating micro black holes — subatomic versions of collapsed stars whose gravity is so strong they can suck in planets and other stars.

CERN and leading physicists dismiss the fears and maintain the project is safe.

The collider's teething problems are typical of complicated accelerators, but it has been especially frustrating to physicists from around the world, who already have been waiting for years to conduct their experiments on the machine.

"But the LHC is an example of an enormously complicated machine that is pushing the edge of accelerator technology, and it is not surprising that it has had some unanticipated problems," Neal Lane, former President Bill Clinton's science adviser and former director of the National Science Foundation.

If the collider can be started soon, it will produce valuable results, said Lane, now a a physicist and public policy professor at Rice University.

But, he added, "If there are many more surprises, further delays, failure to meet design specifications over the next few years, then the field of experimental particle physics, worldwide, could be set back for a decade or more. The stakes are very high!"

Gillies told the AP that CERN management decided at the beginning of the year that it would not try to repair all parts of the collider this year.

"Otherwise, we would never have had a beam before halfway through next year," he said.

Gillies said CERN experts have examined every one of the 1,600 superconducting magnets and each of the 10,000 electrical splices as well as copper protection to carry away any spillover current to prevent damage to the magnets if they heat up as happened Sept. 19.

They decided some of the splices need to be repaired before the collider goes to full power, but that they can operate safely up to 5 TeV without further repairs now.

That has been set as the highest energy for the collider before its next shutdown for maintenance, probably in November 2010. Then the further repairs will be made so that the energy level can be ramped up.

Rolf Heuer, who has taken over as CERN's director-general since the failure, said the collider has been studied very carefully and is much better understood than a year ago.

"We can look forward with confidence and excitement to a good run through the winter and into next year," Heuer said.

Dear 4512 - What a $10 BILLION DOLLAR EGO!!!!~ Is there no end to these people's vanity........ These folks are so high on themselves....... What a mess they have created and now they have to follow through because this is just a huge money sucking vacuum. Hello. is anyone out there going to stop this nighgmare that doesn't seem to end............... Where are the intellectuals when you desperately need them........... We need a voice of reason to ring through this unmitigated disaster............

Religion is not merely the opium of the masses, it's the cyanide.

Who says there's a global recession?

WHAT AN AMAZING MACHINE.THE WORLD AWAITS WITH BAITED BREATH,TO
SEE THE WONDER OF COMBINED CREATION, SCIENCE AND RELIGION TO
BE COMBINED AT LONG LAST, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL MANKIND. GOOD
LUCK WITH YOUR ENDEAVORS. MAY WE FIND THE WAY TO A PEACEFUL
CO EXISTENCE. GOD BLESS US ONE AND ALL, FOR WE ARE THE NEW
CHILDREN OF TOMORROWS AWAKENING. A NEW DAWN, IS ON US!

You can always count on the Believers to throw in their 2 cents and blah blah blah we are right, think like us... makes me sick, and they wonder why Religion is dead...

according to scientists, this device is "crucial to mankind's understanding of the universe...?" how many times have i heard that before. don't they mean understanding the so called mechanics of the universe as scientists categorize them. unlocking the code which split an atom was also supposed to bring us closer to some kind of "understanding." it's only brought us closer to destroying our world. with few exceptions, scientists are like myopic juvenile children dissecting a bug to see how it works. there's only one problem with that approach, you have to kill the bug to do it. humans marvel at these accomplishments. most humans think it's hard to build a machine like this. and yet our species seem to have no problem building one gigantic scientific construction after another. let me propose a more difficult task. end war and starvation on earth. if science could do that, it might be a worthwhile endeavor.

To 4517 - And yet you cannot explain to me how Jesus Christ (the real one) told me you would say that. (Matthew 5:11). He told me to love you anyway, even though you act as though you hate me without knowing me at all.

My husband still has his doubts about God, but he is not sick from knowing me. He does not consider me a disease like 4477 does. He does get tired of me talking about time as the fourth dimension, the mathematics of chaos, and the Higgs boson, and how science is systematically proving that the bible could be true. However, I have caught him watching the movie Contact without me. But we cannot get to heaven through a particle accelerator, as Carl Sagan wanted to believe.

People who accuse believers of not knowing anything about quantum physics, so we should keep our mouths shut about matters of science, should not nickname the Higgs boson as the God-particle without reading their bibles first (Matthew chapters 5-7 is a good place to start, for anyone who is open-minded enough to not be threatened by the bible), or without at least realizing that they are inviting we "cyanide taking (as 4514 said)" believers into the discussion. God loves you. Stop breaking His heart, please.

if you're talking about religion, i believe god is in all of us. we make our own faith. we pray to make us stronger. we know not of a man in the heavens but of a man in ourselves. beliefs can be carried on but real faith comes from within.

When man's technology exceeds his Spirituality Man will self destruct.
Too much power in the hands of too few. Joshua Foss

amazing experiment most likely to be armaggedon

Which came first - the chicken or the egg? Did God create us, or did we create God? I agree that God is within us, but He must be external also, because we did not create ourselves. My parents are part of me, too, but they still want me to call them sometimes.

The Higgs boson, if the scientists are able to find it with the LHC, may be the key to understanding why other particles act the way they do, but it did not create itself either.

Think about the amount of coincidence necessary to get us from the big bang (the cause of which has not yet been explained), to a universe that did not immediately collapse on itself, to gravity that is able to create planets, to a planet that was able to produce life (how is life possible anyway?), to beings that are able to experience the universe around them, to beings that are able to understand the universe around them, to beings that have a need for faith or science in order to feel connected to the universe around them, to beings that wrote a book to help future generations find that faith, to me who has found God within me because of my need for faith caused by the nature of this universe and because of that same book written by men thousands of years ago who had the same need.

In order for the universe as we know it to be explainable as coincidence, it must be (nearly) infinite, and there must be things that we as a species are not capable of understanding. Could one of those things be a God who is trying to explain to us more of those things through the bible?

The flip side is that none of the universe is coincidence - that it was created in the image of a God who understands the universe and the people in it and wants to feel a connection to you, because you are His child, but He cannot be connected to you because you refuse to acknowledge He exists. This argument is actually simpler, and to me, feels more correct. I am not a robot who is here because of random chance. If I am, then there is no need for me to get out of bed in the morning, because in 100 years, I will not exist anyway. Why would I care whether some particle created the universe, let alone spend billions of dollars to try to find it?

The bible says that wisdom will seem to be foolishness in the eyes of an unbelieving world. God knows the scientists, He knows me, and He knows you. He promised that you can know Him, too, if you search for Him (not with a telescope).

Yes, thanks

I wish I was a contributor to this awesome experiment!! I also hope they make use of the knowledge gained for the advancement of mankind....

Very interesting and amusing subject. I read with great pleasure.

It's Official..........

It's official, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will begin operations in a little over a month. On September 10th, the most sophisticated particle accelerator will go online, injecting the first circulation of accelerated particles. Actual experiments involving collisions will occur once scientists are satisfied the LHC is fully optimized and calibration is complete. The LHC has been undergoing "cool-down" for some time, ensuring the LHC's eight sectors are approaching the 1.9K (-271°C) operational temperature (that is 1.9 degrees above absolute zero). All going well, on September 10th, the first beam will be accelerated to an energy of 450 GeV (0.45 TeV), the preliminary step on the path to attaining particle energies of 5 TeV, a record breaking target… awesome.

Earlier today, CERN announced that the LHC will be ready by September 10th to attempt to circulate a beam of particles. This news comes as the "cool-down" phase of LHC commissioning reaches a successful conclusion, cooling all eight sectors to 1.9 degrees above absolute zero. To manage temperatures this extreme has been a long and painstaking task, referred to as a "marathon" by the project leader:

"We're finishing a marathon with a sprint. It's been a long haul, and we're all eager to get the LHC research programme underway." – LHC project leader Lyn Evans.

Now scientists and engineers must synchronize the LHC with the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS) accelerator, which is the last component in the LHC's particle injector chain. For the system to work, the LHC and SPS must be synchronized to within a fraction of a nanosecond. This task is expected to begin on August 9th (Saturday). These calibration tasks are expected to continue through August and into the beginning of September, preparing the LHC for its first particle injection on the 10th.

The LHC will accelerate particles to relativistic velocities, accessing energies previously unimaginable. Once the LHC reaches its optimum design specification (possibly by 2010), it will generate beams seven-times more energetic and 30-times more intense than any other particle accelerator on the planet. The accelerator ring lies below the Swiss countryside with a circumference of 27 km (17 miles).

Source: CERN

Good luck CERM team! We all wait breathlessly for the results of your first test.

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I thing strongly that whatever the resuts of the expt.might be the aim will be satisfied.If the resuts come to be negative then that means we have to reevaluate our theories about the creation idea of our universe but in case the results assure our expectaions then anew era of physics will start up in the wright direction. And either one might be GOD is there because what we are dowing nothing but to understand the mechanisms that GOD used in finding the universe and is still using to cotrol its evaluation until the time of its end by the will of GOD which its time not known to us and GOD ONLY KNOWS

As I look at the complication of this machine I see inside my heart that all this knowledge did not come from this human race..
What I see is that 100 year ago we lived within a shell of knowledge
that was understandable..we grew as children..
This machine came from the heavens it was indeed NOT designed by mankind....no
Our government has kept secrets from us since 1949
look at the leap we made from 1949 to 2009
The end of mankind is clear to see..Satin said eat and become Gods

Ok, I can only hope to see that we don't get caught cheating off of Gods test paper, but I do see what they are trying to do in building this machine.
Lets hope for the best and let the cards fall where they fall, and see what happens. And please #4531 The Alleycat explain where do you think this machine and tech. came from. Remember don't trust the Govm.
Please everyone keep us informed. Thank You...........

By reading through these posts, one thing's for certain -- this article is a 'superconducting magnet' for nutcases!!!

HA HA HA
Please this is a test that will show what they want to see and Nothing more will come of it..... It will not prove or disprove god in any form and it might help us understand our word just a little better
You religious nuts are just a hoot with all your fire and brimstone talk....
Mind you we are coming close to 2012 the end of the Mayan calendar and Notrodonus predicted the great change of our world... maybe this is the start..... but how could they have know???? did God talk to them giving them a worning as well or did they figure it out by some sort of unknow science ???

Ian from Oz...
Your lack of scientific knowledge is, unfortunately, showcased by your offering in 4454. You have apparently been reading Creationist literature; all of which has been refuted by real science. To cite just one glaring Creationist error;
"volcanic rocks with known young dates are radio dated at millions of years old."
If "millions-of-year-old-rock", buried deep within the earth happens to be ejected by a volcano, how else would one expect it to be dated?
Creationist writings abound with such error and misdirection; it is astonishing that any truly thoughtful person would be taken in.

I'm all FOR Science .. Scientists and the Kind...
The best part of trying to Find something is in the PROCESS you discover/find a lot of new things... you never wud have normally .. :)
Can anyone pls explain in lay terms . what LHC cud do what are it;s benefits ??

For Rajesh Jaddu: 4536,
What are the benefits of LHC? Aside from the thrill of discovery?
Here is an example gleaned from the internet. I am not certain of its accuracy but it does address your question.

Benjamin Franklin is among the excited crowd watching the first balloon ascension from the Champ de Mars, August 27, 1783, and someone poses the inevitable conservative question—what good is it? Watching the balloon rise magically into the sky, Franklin responds, "What good is a newborn baby?"

This is really thrilling. This machine is just beautiful. Kudos for putting up the great pictures. I'm reserving my biggest HURRAHS until it's up and running but what a truly exciting and inspiring achievement that will be.

wowo is huge son

LHC could potentially provide unlimited energy and back up the Big Bang theory, which I see a lot of Christians getting upset over this. When you call something the God particle there will be some serious religious implications.

Amazing, simply amazing and beautiful in it's own right.

To the Christians complaining about the Big Bang Theory,Georges Lemaître, one of your guys, proposed it. I would say blame yourselves. :)

so many questions and so few answers but why place the planet in danger we exist because we are here why do we need to find out how we came to be here and alive is beyong me and many millions to question the obvious.

Is this the tower of Babel recreated.

If time is the fourth dimension, why can we see in all directions in three dimensions, but only remember the past? Why do we all have the same experience of "moving" through time in a straight line at a constant rate? If the universe is 10 or 11 dimensional, as theorized by Stephen Hawking and others, why is it impossible for us to perceive the other dimensions? Are they really all subatomic? Would it be possible to predict the future, by "seeing" the end of time, like watching the end of a movie first? Would it be possible for God, who is outside our 4 dimensions, to experience time differently than we do? The bible says that 1000 years on earth is but a day in heaven, which I take to mean that the dimension of time in Genesis could be vastly different than our understanding of time.

If you think the big bang theory is more believable than some all-powerful being "poofing" us out of nothing, what is the difference? The question becomes, are we just a cosmic accident, or does this life have meaning?

If the scientists do find God's paintbrush, what will that mean for the world? What is the advantage of trying to convince people there is no God. All marriage vows would suddenly become null and void.

The danger of trying to find the "origin" of the universe to disprove the theory of creation is the removal of hope from the world. Why would I give money to a charity to help people I don't know, if it means I will never be able to buy the Mercedes I would like to have before I die? God is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the "big bang" and the black hole this universe will theoretically end in. Hell is a bottomless pit. The earth will be destroyed by fire, either when the sun becomes a red giant or sometime before. The bible and science seem to agree on these points.

Of course, the end of the earth and the universe predicted by science won't happen for billions of years, so why worry about it? The end of the human race is less clear.

I intend to be alive in billions of years. You think that is impossible? Why? If life itself is possible, why not living forever? All we need to do is remove all causes of death. Science is attempting to do that, including finding a genetic "cure" for old age. Of course, on this earth, if we live hundreds of years without any hope, murder would eventually become the leading cause of death. I find it strange that evolution (survival of the fittest) would create a gene that causes us to die of old age, but would not create the genetic "cure" itself, if one is possible. In Genesis, God decided He would only fight with us for 120 years.

Fighting a loving God makes no sense to me. God did not cause the pain in this world, we brought it on ourselves, by not believing in a God who loves all of us.

If this earth exists because it is possible, then heaven must exist somewhere in space/time also, because it is possible. God wants us there with Him, so He sent Jesus in the flesh to open up and show us the way to get there. You cannot get to heaven by being a "good" person (or through a wormhole in space/time opened up by a particle accelerator). You have to hold the hand of the One who is there.

I read where Stephen Hawking commented on the thought that the LHC might open a wormhole in space/time that a person could travel through. He said that time travel must not be possible, because if it were possible, then people from our future would be here showing us how (of course they would probably be in our psychiatric hospitals). What if the reason nobody from the future is here is because we are about to destroy our future? Just a thought.

I also read a comment somewhere (admittedly not a scientist's comment) that the chances of a doomsday scenario from a particle accelerator is about the same as a person winning the jackpot lottery three weeks in a row, and the problem is that some people think that this could happen. I wonder what the chances of a universe accidentally springing up and creating us are?

I hope i´m able to visit there and see the collider!

This is a superb project! Great pictures! Cant wait to see some of the results. Congratulations to all scientists and technicians who put this incredible machine together. Good luck with your experiments!

LHC WAS DERIVED FORM ENOCH

The Nightmare continues................

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html

Worth noting.............

Most importantly...

Without this so called "god particle" or Higgs Boson, the Standard Model of physics collapses.

" Its discovery would confirm the "standard model of physics" and concluding that it doesn't exist will alter physics...if there is no Higgs boson, science will be left totally unable to explain mass."

This IMO is the modern day tower of Babel. This is about proving the "big bang" was the beginning, not God.

Data Collection of LHC from wikipedia
Each experiment conducted in the LHC will generate enough data to fill 100,000 dual layer DVDs every year, which is a heck of a lot of info. They've built a distributed computing network around the world called the Grid which will process all of this data.
Data produced by LHC as well as LHC-related simulation will produce a total data output of 15 petabytes per year. For comparison, every word spoken worldwide in one year, converted into text, would amount to 2–3 petabytes of data.
The LHC Computing Grid is being constructed to handle the massive amounts of data produced. It incorporates both private fiber optic cable links and existing high-speed portions of the public Internet, enabling data transfer from CERN to academic institutions around the world.
The Open Science Grid is used as the primary infrastructure in the United States, and also as part of an interoperable federation with the LHC Computing Grid.
The distributed computing project LHC@home was started to support the construction and calibration of the LHC. The project uses the BOINC platform, enabling anybody with an internet connection to use their computer idle time to simulate how particles will travel in the tunnel. With this information, the scientists will be able to determine how the magnets should be calibrated to gain the most stable "orbit" of the beams in the ring.

Walter Wagner is suing Cern to stop this experiment.

Walter L. Wagner graduated UC Berkeley with a Minor in Physics, and a Major in Biology. Later, he discovered a novel particle in a balloon-borne cosmic ray detector, initially identified as a magnetic monopole. Though its identity remains uncertain, it is definitely not within the standard repertoire of known particles. After a three-year break from science to attend law school, Dr. Wagner resumed work in Physics and Biology at the US Veterans Administration Medical Center in San Francisco, working in Nuclear Medicine and Health Physics. He then embarked on teaching Science and Mathematics, from grade school to college. Dr. Wagner developed a botanical garden in Hawaii, and continues involvement with several professional associations, including Health Physics Society and Society of Nuclear Medicine.
tracking of this case here http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php

On the age of the rock emerging the earth's mantle or in fact any rock in general, geologists readily realise that radiometric dating techniques cannot be relied on to give accurate dates. Known techniques, namely potassium-argon (K-Ar), rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr), samarium-neodymium (Sm-Nd), and lead-lead (Pb-Pb) dating methods can deliver a huge variation of age on the same rock sample. For example a Mesozoic basalt rock from Somerset Dam in Queensland Australia was dated using each method and received dates ranging from 174 to 1,425 million years. The dating work was performed by commercial laboratories contracted by the RATE group (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth) who spent 8 years studying dating techniques.

An age of 200 million years +/- 4 million years gives the impression that radiometric dating is very precise and very reliable and this is the impression generally held by the public. However most geologist's field handbooks will have a printed qualification such as: ‘Also, the relative ages [of the radiometric dating results] must always be consistent with the geological evidence. … if a contradiction occurs, then the cause of the error needs to be established or the radiometric results are unacceptable’. In other words Radiometric dates are only accepted if they agree with what geologists already believe the age should be.

On top of this discord are these flawed assumptions. The radioactive decay is assumed to be uniform during the age of the rock. The starting conditions are also assumed to be known. The rocks history of change in all forms is assumed to be fully known. Most importantly the RATE group has found evidence for an accelerated period of radioactive decay in the form of radiohalos. These are microscopic (0.02mm) burns in crystals caused by radiation that give a permanent readable fingerprint of the extent of the radioactivity.

The crystaline zircon (ZrSiO2) that can be found in granite, provides insight on the real age of the earth.
Granodiorite samples were extracted from deep within the crust (about 4.3 Km) where the temperature is 313 degrees centigrade. The RATE group found the zircon crystals in the granite's biotite contain Helium atoms which should not be there if the earth is considered to be millions of years old. Helium is a small inert atom and not confined easily even in rock and over deep time the helium will leach out of the rock. The RATE team found no constraints to bind the helium in the rock sampled and the quantity of helium was entirely consistant with an earth age of about 6000 years.

Another good indicator for a biblical age for the Earth is the carbon 14 (C14) isotope. C14 has a half life of 5,730 years which means that after ten half lives or 57,300 years there should be about ZERO C14 in any sample. Now the list of samples where C14 is found in objects thought to be millions of years old is very long. These include fossils, petrified wood, marble, calcite, carboniferous era coal, precambrian graphite and even diamonds. These materials, when sampled at many depths and locations are supposedly ancient and yet all contain C14. The fact that C14 is found in diamonds should arouse suspicions of any thinking person that the millions of year age of the earth paradigm is fatally flawed. The plain truth is that the age of the earth is far more consistant with the account recorded in Genesis. Real science cannot reject the reality that God exists and sees all that we do and the LHC will only confirm that.

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Glad to know willful ignorance is still alive and well, instead of actually learning about how these things work people take talking points from intentionally misleading sources. Then spout it out pretending to actually know what your talking about. If you look more than at the surface of this and actually go in-depth, these claims people are making will sound ridiculous.

CERN jokie.................

Well, there was the case of a dyslexic physicist who walked off his job at
a particle collider.....after learning he would have to work with a 'hardon'

To 4551 - to which "claims people are making" are you referring? How in-depth do we need to go in order to know how "our understanding of the universe is about to change" (from CERN's website)? Whose understanding is about to change - the scientists'? What do they currently understand, and what do they think it will change to?

"Only experimental data using the higher energies reached by the LHC can push knowledge forward, challenging those who seek confirmation of established knowledge, and those who dare to dream beyond the paradigm." (also from CERN's website)

Which paradigm are we supposed to be dreaming beyond? What do we hope is beyond that paradigm? I would like to know, but I don't currently have time to get a degree in quantum physics to find out.

You say the claims (I assume you mean the claims that God is real) will "sound" ridiculous. God agrees with you. I Corinthians 1:21 - "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

II Timothy 3:7 - "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth". ("Only experimental data using the higher energies reached by the LHC can push knowledge forward.........")

Why do you keep fighting? Is it really more important to you to know that science has shown that the earth is older than 7,000 years than to believe in God, who exists outside of the four dimensions we are able to perceive, when all He wants is for us to love each other and Him?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6868246.ece

Just a statment to clear something up first: I am not saying god dosn't exist.

This has turned into a science proving religion wrong and vise versa. Science and religion are different. Religion is a beleif that something exists and brings peice of mind where as science is an understanding of our surroundings. Religions have been around for many many many years way back in ancient greek times where they worshiped gods. Most of the time religions just end in deaths and chaos. Look at different groups of radicals in various religions. Some like to blow each other up ect. ect. This has behttp://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.htmlen happening for 1000's of years. A beleif usually causes the conflict and science is used to do the killing. There are much older religions then christianity so by using and saying the bible is everything is disgusting and ridiculus. Its your beleif and it should be your beleif. But this does not mean you need to go around pushing your beleif on other people. This is exactly what causes wars. Its like trying to push muslim onto a christian society. Your not just going to stand around, you'll fight because its against your beleifs.

So I have little faith in most religions today. For example the king of england in the 1600s didn't like catholics and decided that he'd create his own branch of christianity. Thats all it took......

So really science is never going to disproove god. TBH i think god does exist but not in the way the bible (who was written well after the time it was suppose to be portraying) portrays.

The bible will never disprove science and in return science will disprove the bible. The bible is really just a story that shows goodness and how we should act (its like many story times from other socieitys like the dream time from the aboriginals which again is over 6000 years old). It goes for any religous readings.

So by saying that the LHC won't do anything you wrong. These projects have developed science 10 fold. What we know of the internet today was setup and created in the 80s by a CERN project to send the information out and again they have pushed the limits of the internet again. Many research areas into making this project develop science and in the end may even advance particle science when actually running this thing.

So even if this particle is found religion will still be religion. Science will be science so arguing that one will disprove the other and vise versa is wrong. Religion is a beleif and if you beleive in it your going to continue beleiving in it. By arguing with religious statements against this argument will prove my point. You beleive in something you will fight for that something. Some people who beleive even stronger will kill for that beleif and so forth. So comparing religion and science and vise versa is stupid and the only reason it ever happens is because one is scared of the other....

Good on for this particle accellerator and i hope it advances science even further.

i cant believe u guys are going to make a black hole.what if it doesnt go away in a second or so.. if it is suppost to go away hat fast why bother making it???

For me... the deeper we look into the universe, and how and why it is. The deeper we are able to look into ourselves and understand how incredibly magnificent and awe-inspiring this cosmic backdrop we find ourselves in really is.
And that the same Stuff that makes up all the wondorous things that we have discovered, and are still in search of, also is exactly and precisely what we are made up of.

The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=4

This is great. I cannot wait to see a man made tiny big bang. And for those religious people who quote the fictional book that you call the bible, you guy need to wake up to the 21 century. If God wanted me to be dumb and stupid and preventing me eating from the tree of knowledge, this God must be a selfish God.

hhhhmmm..... I posit this for your education and eluciation. Thank you!!!~

Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?

Telegraph Media Group

2009-10-14

The much-delayed and maligned Large Hadron Collider has been hit by its most outlandish claim to date - it is being sabotaged by its own future.

Forget the far-fetched belief that it will create a black hole, two distinguished physicists have gone even further claiming nature itself is stopping the troubled £4.4billion project from getting off the ground.

In a theory reminiscent of the time travelling film Back to the Future, the theoretical physicists Holger Nielsen, from Denmark, and Masao Ninomiya, from Japan, have concluded that its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.

They have outlined their thoughts in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC.”

The pair's hypothesis centres around the Higgs Boson, a mysterious tiny particle and building block of life that it is hoped the LHC will discover.

They have come up with a theory that it will "ripple backward through time" and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

"It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,” Dr. Nielsen said.

He said that his theories may even provide a "model for God" who "rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them”.

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Eventually it is hoped that by firing particles around a 17-mile underground tunnel near Geneva, it can recreate conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang.

At the same scientists hope to locate a mysterious particle known as the Higgs Boson or God Particle which gives everything its mass.

But the whole project has been beset by controversy and technical failures.

First scientists claimed it would create a black hole that would devour the world and then in September 2008 circuits in one of the magnets overheated causing damage and leading to a helium leak.

Now just as it is about to be switched on again, the theoretical physicists have thrown time travel into the mix.

Science is not disproving religion - in fact it is proving the bible could be true (resurrection, living forever, heaven in a dimension we cannot perceive, light being created out of a void). Religion does not disprove science either - it only says that the point of life is not to learn how the universe works, especially when there are people in the world who don't have enough to eat. We are here to learn to love each other and the One who made us.

God does not want us to be dumb or stupid - He says to ask Him and He will tell us anything we want to know about the universe. Adam and Eve did not eat from the tree of knowledge, they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you have ever done something you know is "wrong", then where did you get that definition of "wrong"? The golden rule comes from the bible.

Churches are imperfect, made up of imperfect people, which is why there are many that cannot agree with each other. Please do not base your disbelief in God on other people's relationship with Him, or a King of England's seeming lack thereof. Get to know Him yourself. Then you will want to spend time with His other imperfect children.

God is not being selfish when He tells us not to try to find Him by building towers, because the fact is we can't find Him that way and it distracts us from truly knowing Him. He is also not selfish when He tells us not to play with matches/particle accelerators, even if that is a great way to learn how fire/wormholes work. My dad told me the same thing, and I still believe he loves me.

If religion is only about how we should behave and treat each other, then there really is not any point to it. Nonreligious people know how to be nice to other people. Religion is about knowing God - but first you have to believe He exists and created you. If you prefer to think the big bang was just a freak accident, then why are we so fascinated with it? Why do we feel the need/desire to have a "deeper understanding of the awesome cosmic backdrop of our existence"? Some people use cocaine to fill that need, some use science. Neither of those is much comfort when your child dies or your wife leaves you. An intimate relationship with God fulfills the need in a way no other can, because He is the reason we feel that need in the first place.

i just say good luck this experiment is amassing i srust in cience

Why do atheists get so upset with Christianity? I think it could possibly be about their sinful life and that God may exist. Uh Oh!
I pray for the success of the LHC and the safety of all that work on the project.

If the scientists in nuclear particle physics are so clever then why don't any of their fusion reactors built over the last thirty years work?

Large Hadron Collider Switched on after Year of Repairs!!!~

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/physics/article6892300.ece

It is verry wonderful

I am Nargo from the planet Splun and you all must beware science as it will make the Holy Blob of Gurant very mad and then he will make rain and thunder. REALLY? go back to your churches and trekie conventions, its only a freakin experiment which will be written about in dusty boring science journals. not even perez hilton will cover this as it has nothing of consequence to offer us. i mean will it make my car go faster? NO! will it make my hair grow back? NO! will it cure erectile dysfunction or make Krispie Creme donuts more tasty? NO! will it give Beyonce her album of the year???? well who cares its just boring old science junk.

good

Wow this is a great project. It has been mentioned in the book ANGELS AND DEMONS if you enjoy this kind of stuff along with fiction it is really a great read.

that was really cool give me a video.

Why does almost everyone immediately put science against religion and vice versa? It's simply not that cut and dry, black and white. Many respected scientists have theistic religious views. It's not a simple matter of big bang vs. "God did it." Many scientists believe that the big bang is itself an evidence for the existence of a deity.

Just for everyone to understand, and quit bickering about the bible and what not... We should look at things from the bystander's point of view. It shouldn't matter if such things will cause the end of the world and so on. if this is the end (Which It's not) then it's the end. The bible should not be regarded in as which some believe that this is the end, but instead just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Just quit bickering and watch, would ya?

This whole thing is absolutly absurd i do not agree for one minute why or even how we would do this... Basically all im seeing is our tax dollars at work.

I like it. i fill that our science help to understand the univers with your heip

Dear wild eyed and fearful religious zealots, please drink your cool aid and stop bothering the rest of us.

Impresionante obra de la ingeneria, gran avance para la tecnologia.

APACIONADO participo de esta obra grandiosa desde afuera pero noto que se realiza con seriedad científica, no le puede caber duda a nadie que hacer esta tarea es un deber y estoy orgulloso de todos los que trabajan con seriedad en esta obra, ellos enaltecen a la raza humana, GRACIAS Y ÉXITO

This "THING" is going to knock this Planet off of its axis. Are you prepared for WORLD-WIDE Earthquakes that go off the Richter scale.........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/18/cern-lhc-startup

how come this was designed some 50 years ago. when we did not have the technology le talone the resorces to build it. oh and by the way this seems to be a similar script to the film Contact, I believe the plans are alien as well, some form of transport device for matter transfer, i do hope its not a precurser to a new weapon as well.

Bscar antimateria, buscar un placebo mas para unas cuantas mentes y no hurgar dentro de la mente para solucionar, como parar la cada vez mas rapida destruccion de nuestro hermoso planeta. Gastamos billones en tecnologia para ver de donde venimos, gastemos mas en para donde vamos, pues para producir todo esto ¿cuantas toneladas de basura se produjeron?, ¿a donde se desecharon?, ¿Y? despues de esto ¿como se aprovechara en UN MUNDO MEJOR?.

Can't we all get along?

I believe in God, just as I believe in Science. What I do not believe is that people should act like a bunch of hateful lunatics on one side of the other.

I've fought in wars as well as been married and divorced. And I cannot think of anyone I've ever met that I couldn't sit down and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with. (What happens later is a different matter...)

If God doesn't want us to build this thing, we will never finish it or it will simply do nothing....Either way, I'm not worried because I know what happens is meant to happen and I've lived as good of a life as I could.

If I'm wrong and there is no God, like people have said here, why do they all seem so aggressive about it? Is it because they are worried about what could happen if they are wrong?

I'm not paying a dime toward this thing, but I wish the men and women working on this program the best luck.

(I'm sure they have hoped our Astronauts and my fellow US military members at one time or another...)

a lunatic project, re-create the bigbang for what? only God created the universe and this beautifull and lovely earth we lived in. please do not be an arch angel that defies the almighty, is it that the mayan prophecy might be true in year 2012? could it be that this time it will be man made technology that will cause total annihilation of our world? makes you wonder when Jesus ask the father for forgivenes our sins -quote- for they do not know what they are doing- with his last breath. I pray to stop this experiment, please join me.

the pics are awesome, the comments at most ridiculous...

For fifty years i am looking for an experiment like LHC.Good luck for all
members.I believe you will find the higgs.

What about the frequencies created by the collisions. I believe frequenncies to play a larger part in the make-up of the Universe. Maybe the dark mater is a form/type of frequency and your project could easily detertmine if this is true. Maybe gravity is an attractive frequency/force like a magnet.

Religion is not the opium of the masses, it's a placebo... Dr House M.D

Im very very pleased to see this LHC. We live in a very interesting time of science and i look forward to the results.
Im no scientist myself, but i do love this stuff.

And for all those doomthinkers / conspiracythinkers out there, we will move forward without you.
A shame there are so many people with limited vision.

If God created the Universe, he also created the mankind intelligence to understand and perform evolution.