The hadron collider is a dangerous thing what would happen if one of the black holes the thing created didn't disappear? what if you lost control? what ifthe black hole got so big it swallowed the earth???
are you people crazy???

Just trying to play GOD. Proves man's STUPIDITY.

Bravo to the entire LHC team! Here's hoping that you find Higgs during the first week of collisions. The rest of the world is watching, in amazement.

we are closer to understanding the divinity of the world an our nature. it is the end of human's wars etc.

Just a quick recap:-
Scientists are looking for a Higgs boson that may or may not exist.
Gravity is a force that is not yet explained.
The matter being collided has an undefined surface.
The experiment may or may not create black holes.
The black holes if created may or may not evaporate.
The particles being created are waveforms and matter at the same time.
Scientists know exactly what they are doing due to a whole bunch of theories.
No theory actually fully describes reality because they only work on little bits of it.

How on earth did it ever get a run?
Ah of course. Politicians approved it.

"Yea tho I walk through the ... "

I don't really want to waste my time with all of you morons the type negative coments about all of this....I think that scientis people don't have much life to worry about then mess with the worl,...I think they need to stop messing with God's Creations and find something else to do like , finding a cure for cancer , aids, diabetes ects, all of you the post negative coments are a BUNCH OF MORONS.
I WILL CALL THE LOCAL NEWS AND MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS IF I WANT TOO....

Èçâèíèòå åñëè íå òóäà, íî êàê ñ àäìèíîì ñàéòà ñâÿçàòüñÿ?

Gosh this is amazing stuff, my minds been blown away.

j'va m'en aller à vouz y l'apprenddre la politesses à la manière distinguée ben d'chez nous, sales bestiauds bricoleurs de tortionnites mal emmanchée. c'est ty pas des manières de s'y adrreser à son Dieu qu'en l'bombardant de moustiques métalliques.savait y dont pas y faire par chez vous pour s'y extraire de ses propres mains du purain moisi qui grignote la vie d'linterieur.KOi?ben diou d'nom de diantre, faudra ben s'en aller à c'que vous l'expliquiez en des mots clairs et simples votre fichu théorie du salut pour tous. à Quand? à quand? nous les cons en tous cas, vous nous gatez pas avec vos vacheries!!!
salopards!

What ever we do either constructively or destcructively, it's a success depending upon that person but I am dead sure we can NEVER mach that ALMIGHTY who composed this universe!

my issue is this, if we all die in the name of scientific discovery what was the point?

Seriously, we aren't going to die. People need to calm down. Even IF there is a mini black hole created it couldn't support itself. It's mass is too low and there won't be enough gravitational force.

Please keep the information flowing. I enjoy reading about the newest scientific projects and some times my periodicals do not keep me up to date.

Derrel

Yes, does anyone know about muon current flow in regards to the design of the lhc?
TKU, MBR

Unfortunately a bit of a mystery. Muons are being detected outside the beam line in the much smaller TeVatron. Scientists admit to being baffled by it.

The scientific approach is to throw a lot more power at the problem and see what it does. And that is exactly what the Fermilab staff are doing.

Hey everyone, GOD here. I was away for a few years. I had to check on some things on the other side of the Universe. You know, it really BIG. Takes forever to get anywhere.
So, what did I miss? I see you all figured out that "wheel" puzzle I left. Nice job.

Just wanted to say go ahead with your particle thingy. It's cool.

Later peeps!
GOD (ME)

homie that is awsome and radical dooooooooooooog

3 questions
will this thing create black holes in scotland?
in what year is it going to show us the beginning of earth?
how can we see the beginning of earth?

Êðòóî!:) Íî åñòü è ìèíóñ ! Ó ìåíÿ ñêîðîñòü èíòåðíåòà 56 êáèò â ñåêóíäó. Ïàãà ãðóçèëàñü îêîëî 30 ñåêóíä.

3 answers.
1. Yes.
2. Due to time space continuum warping, it will show up in 1925. So go to your library and look up old newspapers.
3. Use the force.

Why do all of you smart people spell so poorly?Are you in such a hurry to give your opinion that you can`t check your spelling?

Stop your winning. You sound like a bunch of school girls. The universe does not distinguish between a leaf falling from a tree or the distruction of a galaxy. Relax and float up stream...

these r riski but v have to take

im only 13 so yeah 1st man learned 2 reproduce then man learnet to make fire then man learnet 2 cook ect........ science has lead us a long way but this time i think we r pushing it. man should obey god not be him.......... its and this time we could die in case of a single error in the plans they r making a huge mistake for example people at the age of 90 wont care cause they already know that they will die soon but what about your children like 2 year old babies wat about them they wouldnt have experienced anything of life like the ability to learn in school, first kiss with a non family member.... huh and a teenager like me.. i want to live have a family im runin out of space so email me on blate.mate02@gmail.com

Âàø ïîñò íàâåë ìåíÿ íà äóìêè *óøåë ìíîãî äóìàòü* ...

This won't kill us, do some research on the physics don't listen to these people who yell about the end of the world. There are high energy collisions going on all the time, if the LHC is creates a mini black hole then they are already being created all the time. The LHC would be a tool to observe them.

This is the most beautiful piece of machinery I have seen in my entire life the welds so precise the wiring beautifully guided and elegantly placed. I am so proud to be a human and can't wait for the findings due to this machine. Our curiousity is such a driving force it compels us to achieve these wondrous fetes. I only wish Carl Sagan was still around to witness this event he would be awe stricken.

Naturally the risk of creating a stable black hole needs to be considered. According to physicists it is assumed that all black holes should spin. This means an event horizon which not even light can escape from. A spinning black hole also has an inner horizon where the centrifugal force prevents any matter or light to fall further in. That region is all the light and matter that ever fell in to the black hole. A place of blinding light, heat and grinding of matter sure sounds like hell to me. Not a risk I care much for.

To all the confident experts here it is estimated that maybe four people in the world understand the physics involved. That just means four people need to be wrong. Second point is that physics aside there is no guarantee that the physics experts understand reality. If the experiment to recreate the most destructive thing in the universe goes wrong then we all burn in hell for eternity.

How ever small the chance of a mistake is, even for very smart people the consequences should be understood.

4380 - Thanks! :-) I am trying to learn about Muons. I guess some risk is essential for progress and increase of knowledge (Daniel's prophecy: Many will go to and fro and knowledge will increase). We who can pray should and leave it in God's hands as the politicians and scientists will not stop until they have all their answers! Not content to take His Word for anything. :-) This is fascinating; the more theory I ingest, the more comfortable I feel about this event. Hope we get good news in June. Is that still the start-up date or has it been delayed again?

This reference to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon gives the muon as similar to a super sized electron. According to the reference it has a negative charge and is the second longest lived particle in existence. It lasts around 2.2 millionths of a second. The neutron lasts about 15 minutes before it decays to a proton making it the longest known particle to decay.

The proton 'may' decay in around a few trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion years. There is no known explanation for why it is so stable. The accident at RHIC when one was broken caused a two trillion degree fireball that lasted only microseconds with a loss of ten thousand atoms from existence. Theories are still being proposed for the incident. On current projections the facility should be operating late September or October.

The God particle you are looking for is the causation of gravity. Lumiferous aether is made of these particles and is 90% of everything. When you fire this thing up the particle stream that you accelerate in a large circle will stir the aether. Like stirring a pot of water with a chopstick. If you stir fast enough around the outside of the pot the water in the pot will move in a circle and try to form a vortex. When the aether is influenced into a circle and begins to collapse and form a "BLACK HOLE" or vortex the aether (GOD PARTICLES) will become more concentrated around the particle stream and the force of gravity will increase. At the same time an event horizon will begin to form inside the circle. At the center of this area gravity will begin to lessen. This is something you should look for. It will probably be a very slight affect.
I'm sure the collisions that you cause will be very interesting but they will not (IMHO) prove the big bang nonsense. You souldn't put all your eggs in one basket.

Jim

I'm not a believer in God, but I hope they NEVER prove there is no God, the human race would tear itself apart in the furor that follows, likewise I hope they never prove there IS a God, we'd have the Spanish inquisition and Witch dunking back.

Those of you who cling to the belief in God should seek to find some courage in yourselves and consider the possibility there is only us.

Oops. Sorry. Used the wrong word. How about Hicks particle, or just gravity. Maybe the Hicks particle is not subatomic at all. Maybe it is the aether and almost 10 times bigger than the universe that we see. Is there any limit to the size a particle can be?

Jim

dear sir,
what was the temperatuere risen during the collision of two protons

dear sir
after the experiment of lhc,did you find any thing which is faster than light.size of universe.Size,mas,density at the time of big-bang.what was the probabal cos of big-bang?

Î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëîñü, äàæå íå îæèäàëà.

Let's find out whatever we can.
I love these pictures. They show the great human effort to understand the laws of nature.
Its applications may be not easy to see instantly. However, it's a design of future and for future.

If human greed was accelerated in the collider, the result would be another person.

this is awsome

This is truly awsome! You go guys!
Don't mind what other religious fanatics are commenting, they can have their god!
NROOPNA = Not Receptive Of Other Peoples Negative Attitudes

CERN FTW!!!

All you BELIEVERS OF GOD are hippocrits. Why would you think this is gonna kill us and yet preach the bible? The bible says man will leave the earth while in a ball of fire. There can be no fire if there is a black hole. Also, if you believe god and jesus are the dictators of everything, then why be concerned? If it happens, according to you religious beliefs, it will be your gods that did it. Or will you say otherwise? If its otherwise then you admit your gods arent the biggest force about. So either way, stop contradicting yourselves.

The understanding of particle physics gives a better picture of our universe,
beyond what our radio or visual telescopes can reach. We travel back to the time of the big bang and see what other stuff the universe is made of and probably give us an idea of what will happen to the universe. CERN is an instrument that will either confirm or break existing theories and the theoretical physicist goes back to the drawing board. I understand the fear of those who still remain ignorant or tied up to their dogma.There is no other cure but to learn to think and ask questions. Learning and exploring helps us become aware of our conciousness and purpose in life. Indeed, CERN is made to satisfy man's knowledge and know how.

I am an old guy, under educated to most standards but i love to read Einstine, Hawkins, Greene and many others. I am not only amazed at what they write but their ability to explain most of it to the average person. I can only guess as to the hours they have put into their craft and the knowledge they have acquired to pursue it. I also do not like to see money waisted but i think projects like this one are well worth it. Only wish i had more years to watch them dig out more answers.
So quit screwing around and get that race track fired up. I think most of what i read in your blog stems from fear. Hope the church dont put you guys in the pokey for what you learn.

this machine, essentially a quark cannon, is far more dangerous that people think, as Hawking, Wilczek and other explain in this video, www.lhcdefence.org
a serious, independent analysis of its dangers should be carried out before switching it on, for the first time since our birth as a species we could go under...

Only a person who is ignorant will show a biast opinion on this matter. The open mind allows all light to be shown on the matter. We take risks every single day in order to further our understanding of who we are and what we are doing here. If everything we have done in the past has lead us up to this point, then how can we deny this as anything else but another risk. If God exhists, then he has allowed us to get here on our own, and If it wasn't meant to be, then this project would of been haulted by a god given reason. Which is any reason at all. But here we are, still proceeding with our curiosity. Which is a beautiful thing. AND ALSO IF GOD EXHISTS, AND IF HE IS SUPPOSABLY ALL PERFECT AND POWERFUL, THEN WHY WOULD HE GIVE HIS CHILDREN SUCH A FLAW AS TO DESTROY THEMSELVES EVEN BEFORE WE GET A FOOT IN THE DOOR ON DISCOVERING WHAT THIS WHOLE EXHISTENCE IS ALL ABOUT. So before you give an opinion on the matter, make sure you dont leave any possibilties out... you'll look like a fool.

But don't listen to me. I'm just a 19 year old kid in Central Florida thousands on kilometers away from the LHC.

I think this is a Very Good Project... This is what needs to happen. The world and its people need to move away from this stupid religion thing its getting old. Start moving towards Space. Its there and its Huge we need to explore it more. the universe is nothing other than one big giant fluke.. from my experiences and understandings the only thing i have seen from religion is Death and Hatred. What gives us humans the right to think that our so called god created the universe.. there is Trillions of stars out there with Trillions of planets.. it is so selfish. i am 99% sure that in 2012 something BIG will happen that will change our views on life and rerrange our whole Social Order.

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wow, it's amaizing !!

its very important research and must be completed to end

we hope thats arab world has a parts in this research
thats my hope.

i m happy to say such an abstract expt is taking place in my life time.
success of this experiment will though pose many more challenges ,will open a new era in physics study. the most sought n confused existence of matter ll be solved .

Because God loves us he gave our own free will is up to us how we will aplly this.

God make us rulers of these world. I respect all ideas only GOD seeks the heart.

ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS HOW HE BUILD THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH

Why not create a simple living tissue out of nothing instead of spending too much money.

I say Very good to these engineers.

HAIL TO THE ONE AND ONLY KING

Fascinating stuff. I wish I could be working on it too.

I'm convinced, based on the facts that the collider will not create a black hole that will destroy the Earth. But if it did, it would be a great way to go.

Õåõ. Íó òîãäà ÿ òîæå :)

THERE IS ONE GOD THE HOLLY ALLAH.XH.L IF U WHATN TO NO A PURPOSE OF OUR CRIATION U MAST SE THE TEORI OF BING BANG BEFOR 1400 YEARS A GO IN THE HOLLY KURAN..THA NAW SIENCE HAS DISCOVERD THAH THE UNIVERS IS GOING TO EXPAND.THES IS FROM SIENCE..AND IN KURAN WAS..BEFOR 1400 YERS A GO..

OUR GOD TELLS."WE CREATED IT AND WE WILL EXPAND IT". THE WERSES OF HOLY KURAN.. FIND IT AND U WILL FINDE THE TRUTH.
THER AR SOMTHING O EMBRIOLOGY THAT HAD BEEN DISCOVERD AT THISE CENTRY BUT THE WHER IN HOLY CURAN 1400 YEARS A GO.. RECHE AND FINDE IT..AND U WILL UNDERSTAND A MEENG OF OUR LIVE...

THER

the more we hear about and learn about big bang , the stronger our beliefs of the fact that there is only one Creator of the whole universe.(Allah)

i find it funny and anoying how god belivers call science a faith but its quite easy to prove wrong.

now maths which is how real science and everything can be proved right.

its like this if you have 1 apple + 1 apple than makes 2apple's

do you need faith to tell theres two apples or do you know for certain ;)

science exactly the same just a much more complicated

but in the end its for certain not faith.

Ïîìîãèòå ñîáðàòü ñàéò íà òàêîì æå äâèæêå! Ïîæàëóéñòà...

Comments from the 'know nothings' reveal much on the state of general education. These people did go to school. They can write. They can read--though the sense eludes them.

When we think of the "third world" we are reminded of the great economic and technological divide that seperate us, of Somalia and Chad and Haiti, but in those comments we witness a chasim even greater in the developed world.

This is what happens when 'education' is perceived primarily as job training: create corporate, relatively well paid (though less and less so) corporate slaves to keep the wealth flowing to the top: everything beyond that (art, literature, philosophy--even basic science has to fight an endless defensive rear-guard action) is at best, superflous, at worst, subversive.

God authors good and Satan authors evil as his free will in Gods power allows.
Man/Woman are forgiven all sins according to their nature (behavior/knowledge). The lhc is an act of free will for mankind and is intended for good. God gave us the power of knowing good from evil so it behoves us all to search out and follow the good. We study Bible to put the thoughts of God into our minds to guide us in the eternal search for good in the development of the mind. We await the lhc's coming on line.

The LHC is all about origins. Let us then reason together on the explanation for us being here. There can only be one true really unless, sadly, your schizo.
If we say we are all made of particles then it becomes a case to explain how the particles became arranged to make us. Our persons only function when the particles we are composed of are arranged in atoms that are also arranged in GTTA molecules that are arranged in DNA that is also arranged with preconstructed enzyme and preconstructed cell which can only be manufactured by another cell.
There is no satisfactory explanation for the origin of the first cell better than the one in Genesis 1. All earthly life forms have this problem.
How then do we also explain the origin of the particles without the designs of our Lord. Can we really be serious in saying that dark matter and dark energy comprise 90% of our universe when we know nothing about them. Dark matter and dark energy are truly unobserved yet they are a core tennet of the big bang theory as they are required to explain the formation of stars and galaxies. There is not much else up there isnt there? Dark matter and dark energy are untestable. They are unscientific. They are a work of fiction written for the carnate mind to be fulfilled in aetheism. Why not then accept Jesus as God in the flesh as your reallity? He was, after all crucified for no crime other than claiming to be God amongst us.

There is some terrible spelling here from some very educationally decorated people.

I would expect a pHD to know how to spell.

But this is a cool experiment.

no mames esto es una chigaderona esta bien perrona y creo que la idea de que la utilicen para crea la famosa "particula de dios" o "particula divina".

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!y que viva mexico cabrones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are the chances that you will discover the higgs particle in the next three years?

Íó è ÷òî, åñòü ðåçóëüòàò ?

4436... si, esta perrona, I just hope that the engeneering team of the LHC does not screw up trying to reverse eng. god's work can't wait for october then again...

OK So I've read so many different opinions but they are all just opinions. Just wait untill It's finished and we'll see what happens. As for god and religion, It's just as likly true as it is untrue. That's why people disagree with beliefs. While we are on this earth with so many qustions that god does not answer, we should seek out the answers. Not to interfear with people's beliefs, but to discover facts. That's what this machine will do and it sure is worth a shot. Just wait... before too long we will have answers to a lot of our qustions and there will be that less of opinions. The big bag happend. It's a fact

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6431714.ece

OMG, you just gotta love science. I still think this colder will only show us how misunderstood our reality truly is and hoe deep the rabbit hole (or black hole ) might go, if only Newton or Einstein was still alive to see this the would amaze them. To all the people bitching and moaning about cancer and starving children and what not. Cancer is a medical field, a physicist will not be able to help you. Starving children is a political agenda. This is not a religious issue, just an case of astounding engineering, and science doing what science does best, giving answers without bothering about peoples personal whining. To everybody that worked on this project! WOW! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!

i find it funny that people like to defend their religion on every corner

whe could all die

I ve got it .A smackdown between the athesists and the believers.Call Vince Mc Mahon.put it on a pay per view.

Not able to fully understant all of it, but willing to take the ride...after all, we just got use to the idea that the Earth was not the center of the Universe...and there are no less than billions of stars that might have planets, that might have life, so we grow even stronger knowing how small and huge this world really is.
Grow old, with grace and understanging, let knowedge shape us more than fear !

Roger, 66 years old, and still climbs mountains to get a better look at the Stars...

If you think life is all about technology, the after life, the real life and the true reality, is going to be a big shock for you. If you don't have any faith, it's because you haven't exercised it. Wake up, WORLD!

HEADS UP WORLD - CERN IS ALREADY OPERATIONAL. They are opening dimensional portals.......... You have been lied to.........

CHRIST HAVE MERCY..........

THE GIANTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!~ PRAY......................

I have read a few of the comment, some of then suportt the idea of that this machine goes again God and Bible principles and others say that this machine will definitely proves that God does not exist and that religion is a child thing (like einstein said). How ever I belive this machine and the scientific knowlege it will produce will only show us the greatnees of the Creator. Most of the people forget that whit the knowlege provide by this machine we will only be able to create a general model to understand our universe in a very superficial way. The bible clearly stated that there will be no secret that wont be reveal and St Agustin said that is more important to recognize the owner of the tree than the man who takes the measurement of it. For me, this machine and the people that work on it, beside the information and advanteges for human progress that willl come from it, are trying (whatever they want or not) to show us the unreasoneable and absolute power of God and at the end whatever happend it will be God will. Please excuse my writing

What's the latest? Come on already!

Belief in God is far more believable than a "big bang theory". The chances that every intricate detail coming together to create existance is far too complex to have come about by chance and coincidence.. Another question I would have to ask to
the evolutionist would be: Where are the bones / fossils showing in between stages of evolution? I am talking about in between stages from reptile--amphibians--birds---mammals? Where are the various stages within a particular specie??? I agree that there are changes that occur over time, however I do not believe that a fish could some how evolve into a bird...or a bird to an elephant no matter how many trillions of yrs go by.

Lets face it, the fact that we are here at all, regardless of how you believe it happened is mind boggling and an impossibility.....yet here we are........ God as the Creator is far more logical than man trying to pretend he is god.

4352.hmm ... ARE YOU NUTS?????
You could trust or not what scientists say, but at least their knowledge is based on a deep observation of REALITY, not based on an old book a guy like you or your neighbour wrote hunderds of years ago. You could be a believer of Sauron if "The Lord of the Rings" was older than the Bible, man!

You talk about "heaven" and "hell" as if they were real things, not words thrown at you when you were a child...

REALLITY, yes embrace it, and there is only one reallity no matter what extrordinary things are said. However the reallity is often distorted with your chosen worldview and you Fran 4453 have just demonstrated that fact. Your bias that your favourite scientists are right about the world origins. Those scientists claim to explain origins in fields such as cosmology, biology and geology. They have a deep rooted philosophical commitment to explain origins as 'natural' without giving any credit to the rather obvious Creator. This denial persists in spite of some rather glaringly deficient flaws in all the populist models.
Just to list a few there is:
The unobserved hence non existant dark matter and dark energy required by the big bang model to explain the formation of galaxies and stars.
There is no satisfactory explanation for the moon's formation above.
Mutations cannot add information to the genome and so create wings on mammals. Darwin would have to agree with todays knowledge.
Natural selection reduces the information in the genome and weeds out mutations (freaks)
All life is unbelievably complex and coded in such a way that screams Creator.
There is not and never will be an explanation for Abiogenesis.
The flaws in radiodating (#1 Carbon 12 is found every where it shouldn't be, like diamonds an pre-cambrian rocks. C12 self depletes in 50 thousand years max #2 volcanic rocks with known young dates are radio dated at millions of years old)
The oceans salt contents should be far higher than what is observed.
The mountains and hills are being worn down much faster than the text book creation process.
Ninety nine percent of the worlds fossils are best explained by the the Genesis Flood than by the unbelievable school book explanation. Just look for some bones.
Given all the above, the Bible's explanation for the worlds origin fits the observed fact far better than any model thus making Heaven and Hell a REALLITY.

it's such a realy big and realy hard job

4454 "The unobserved hence non existant dark matter and dark energy required by the big bang model to explain the formation of galaxies and stars."

The have observed the effects of both dark matter and dark energy. Gravity from dark matter bends light. Also the galaxy's spin to fast and need much more matter than we can see to not fly apart, which also is the effect of dark matter.

Dark energy is what is pulling the universe apart, we know that the universe is accelerating apart. We don't know exactly what these things are but we can observe the effects.

"There is no satisfactory explanation for the moon's formation above."

What the heck are you talking about? It's basic, and how the rest of the solar system formed.

"Mutations cannot add information to the genome and so create wings on mammals. Darwin would have to agree with todays knowledge.
Natural selection reduces the information in the genome and weeds out mutations (freaks)"

Again what the heck is this? I am not sure what you are talking about when you say "add information" It's already been shown that mutations can create new things this. It depends on the mutation, as long as it doesn't really hurt the animal the mutation will be passed on.

I have no clue where you are getting this information but I strongly suggest you look somewhere else as it's just bad information.

4452:

Big bang is strongly supported, by many observations. The more we learn so far has only strengthened it's argument. There used to be a Steady state theory , but as more information became available big bang won out. Also the Big bang has nothing to do and doesn't try to explain what happened before or what banged. It's just the theory on what happened after that.

I don't know why evolution has to come into this. But just because you don't believe something doesn't make it false. Evolution might as well be a fact, as it's been observed many many times. As for fossils what do you expect that most species become fossils? But with what we have we can see the evolution anyway. You aren't going to see every step something makes but you can see bits and pieces. As for a missing link how do you chose what's missing link and whats something new? Heck there are new species being found all the time, and we have a huge number of species. How many species of things that we are looking for do we actually have fossils of? Not very many, so you get the results you would basicly expect.

I strongly suggest you actually research these things before you start talking about them.

Has Dark Matter been observed? - hardly. If you hypothesise that A predicts B and B is observed that is no proof that A is true. Other ideas can also predict B. Dark matter and dark energy is meant to constitute 96 percent of the universe and are both totally unobserved, totally untestable, total fiction. It just a fudge factor made up to explain the observed rotation of galaxies, the galaxy clusters and the accelerated expansion of the universe. If your happy believing this fiction to support your worldview, be happy but you cannot honestly call it science.
What you can call good science is a new model from John Hartnett based on Special Relativity which does away for the need for dark matter or dark energy to explain to universe. Google it and get informed and strip away the needless asumptions of dark matter /energy with Occams Razor.

Leading cosmologist George Francis Rayner Ellis honestly admitted the role of philosophical assumptions:
‘People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations … For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. … You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.’ George F.R. Ellis; Thinking Globally, Acting Universally. Scientific American 273(4):28, 29

On the Moon's origin ask non other than Professor Harold Urey who was dubbed the 'Father of Lunar Science', he was a pioneer in the Apollo missions to the moon. He researched the question of the moon's origin as was reported to have given up and declaring 'it is easier to pretend that the moon is not in the sky than to explain how it came to be there' I refer you to 'Mysteries of the Solar System' p84-85 - Robert Jastrow

On The information stored in DNA. The efficiency of the storage is just mind bogglingly fascinating. Dr Wener Gitt has researched the storage capacity of DNA and found that you can stores 10^18 letters in the space of one cubic millimetre. Yes that 10 to the power of 18 or 10 multiplied by itself 18 times in a 1mm cude. Applying this to conventional storage a pinhead of this material would fill a stack of one mm thick DVDs to a height of 800 kms. Our bodies and all living enitites reproduce from the information encoded in the DNA. This information and the cell were all created together by our Loving God as He told us in the book of Genesis. Since then the genome has deteriorated to the extent that if we are still here in just a few thousand years we will not be able to reproduce. This would be due to the accumalated genetic load of the inherited disease causing mutations which is just further proof of the Biblical account. Like the letters that make up to words we say in order to communicate the letters in the DNA must convey the information to store and build life forms design. A book entitled 'Not By Chance' written by Lee Spetner demonstrates very clearly (on page 138) that mutations cannot increase the genetic information of the genome. In other words lizards aquiring wings style evolution must happen with some other mechanism if it ever happened at all.

An interesting developement from the EnCode project - ENCODE pilot project, Nature 447: 799-816, 2007.
According to the ENCODE authors, is that 95% of the functional transcripts (genic and UTR transcripts with at least one known function) show no sign of selection pressure (i.e. they are not noticeably conserved and are mutating at the average rate). This contradicts Charles Darwin’s theory that natural selection is the major cause of our evolution. It also creates an interesting paradox: cell architecture, machinery and metabolic cycles are all highly conserved (e.g. the human insulin gene has been put into bacteria to produce human insulin on an industrial scale), while most of the chromosomal information is freely mutating. How could this state of affairs be maintained for the supposed 3.8 billion years since bacteria first evolved? A better answer might be that life is only thousands, not billions of years old. It also looks like cells, not genes, are in control of life—the direct opposite of what neo-Darwinists have long assumed.

Vatican visit to CERN opens new channel of dialogue for science, faith!!!~

http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=10541

BALONEY!!!~ This monstrosity is already in full operation. Pandora's Box has already been opened........

Particle Collider Restart Delayed Till October

Big Particle Collider Restart Delayed Till October

A/P. Sat Jun 20, 9:05 am ET

GENEVA – The world's largest atom smasher will likely be fired up again in October after scientists have carried out tests and put in place further safety measures to prevent a repeat of the faults that sidelined the $10 billion machine shortly after startup last year, the operator said Saturday.

The Large Hadron Collider was meant to restart in late September, but that will probably be pushed back two to three weeks, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research said.

"We're pretty confident about the dates," James Gillies told The Associated Press, adding that scientists believe they understand the error that happened last year and how to prevent it occurring again.

An electrical fault caused by a faulty splice in the wiring shut down the giant machine on Sept. 19, nine days after it was started up with great fanfare.

The 20-nation operator, known as CERN, expects repairs and additional safety systems to cost about 40 million Swiss francs ($37 million) over the course of several years, Gillies said.

Once it is running, scientists will use the machine to smash together protons from hydrogen atoms inside a 27-kilometer (17-mile) circular tunnel under the Swiss-French border near Geneva. By recording what particles are produced by the collisions they hope to better understand the makeup of the universe and everything in it!!!~

From A/P. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090620/...ticle_collider

A deffinition of "[PANDORA'S BOX", just in case you have forgotten......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_box

WAKE UP - - PEOPLE!!!~ Why do you think this "THING" keeps breaking down. GOD is giving us time to get ready for the consequences. HIS Mercy is INFINITE!!!~ However, GOD has a limit and HE will raise HIS MIGHTY hand off of this thing and let it go. Are you ready to meet your MAKER. Are you ready to face ETERNITY......... All of your vanity, ego, pseudo-intellect and pride will ULTIMATELY mean NOTHING.......... It is really quite simple. We are ALL going to have to face that fact that the BIBLE was, in fact, true............... LORD, please have mercy on us.......

This is extremely exciting!!

Very interesting stuff. It'll be very cool if they find something almost immediately. Although the fact that it may create a black hole and destory us all makes me a bit skeptical and kind of freaks me out. Although there are forces strong enough to do such things that happen constantly around us everyday, and we're still around.(Oh well, I do overreact.)
----Oh and to the religious people, this isn't an experiment to disprove religion, it's basically an experiment to learn about the origin of the universe (Big Bang) and to understand alot more about it. Religion in my opinion is something for people to live a good life for and to look up to, et cetera. Personally, I have no religion and I look to science for answers, because science can be proven with facts, and that just seems more logical to me than an all-knowing higher power.
Anyway, cool stuff going on.
Thanks for reading!
-The anonymous fourteen year old known as Lexi-

This is to all you CERN worshippers - Now, these intellectual idiots what to bomb the MOON.......... You can't make this crap up. I remain, SPEECHLESS!!!~

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations

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What ever happened to the separation of Google and State?

Ok please help me on this one, when is the Hadron Collider going to start back up.

4467 October now.(ZDNet.co.uk) Testing complete @August.

No doubt the scientists that built the collider are very clever. The problem is that much of what is promised by high energy particle physics has a history of being wrong. For over forty years the scientific promise of clean hydrogen fusion energy has not been kept. Each time the "mathematics indicate that this time it will work" and we still don't have clean fusion energy.

Scientists are regularly wrong and even more regular in their denial of anything possibly being wrong this time because the mathematics show that it should work. So if the play with the sustained energy intensity found only in the death of the largest stars and get the numbers wrong again, it could be serious.

Single cosmic rays do not form a sustained energy intensity hour after hour of 100,000 times greater than in the sun. High energy cosmic rays do not hit the same target point at 13 million times a second. Next year the packets of protons will be collided at closer to 40 million times a second and at higher energy when the directing magnets are fully tuned. In five years or less (provided we are still around) the injector will be upgraded to increase the particle packet size.

This is a machine designed for extreme upgrades in power. If the mathematics is wrong then extreme loss of life might come in minutes, or years or cause ongoing suffering for future generations. Is it worth the risk? We still haven't gotten rid of the last troublesome lot of weapons the nuclear scientists gave us.

Who told the science hating theists they could use the internet without exposing themselves as hypocrites on yet another occasion? I think they've had the floor for about 5000 years, that's about as much as I'd care to hear from them. Perhaps they should practice was they preach and develop a Luddite medieval village so they don't bother anyone else and can blame their misfortune and misery on magical spirits without involving the rest of the world.

Having stopped the Soviet communist war machine with the nuclear arsenal, we merely paid the price of peace. When the Soviet expired and let its war machine decay we began to speak clearly to the warmongers and are paying the price of peace, yet. Now comes the science price for peace or LHC, which we must pay yet again, even while we pay the price for the USA again, a price for peace.

What happened to the super collider that was being planned and or built in Texas a few years ago ? Has it ever gone past the planning stage ?

It's pretty funny reading this post and realizing that over 95% of the people who wrote on it have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, starting with all the bible-humping worshipers and the end of the world ramblers. You people really are pathetic, you should open up other books about science and astronomy besides the bible.

Go Hadron Collider! How could anything be more exciting...? God must be pleased that we are curious as a species, have not given up on investigations that will benefit, if not our physical being, then our intellectual ideals. That we plunge on and on toward a complete understanding of our universe and our place in it. The Higgs Boson was not nicknamed the God particle by accident, surely.
I can't wait for September.

Dear Dre re post 4473. There is no diploma, degree or even certificate for alternate theory. To disagree with the scientists at CERN is an alternate point of view. The closest to an alternate degree is theological. Take the part where it says people will suffer great scorpion stings in the last days.

What mechanism could do that? Well how about millions upon millions of growing micro black holes. For many years they would be way to small to take in more than a few particles. But when in proximity to each other would repel violently. A charged micro black hole of considerable mass at pre exponential expansion stage would do extreme charge damage to any living or other tissue it passed through.

The last days are of pain and burning. Electrocution or flash burn by being in the path of a micro black hole ejection sounds quite Biblical to me. The damage to electrical and communications equipment would place the world in a new dark age. Do not disregard The Bible.

Michael.