Re: Good music, bad music
posted at 1/18/2013 6:33 PM EST
In response to devildavid's comment:
I don't have a problem with opinions, but sometimes some things are said in a way that seems to me to be definitive statements that don't seem to allow for opposing points of view. I have never been personally offended by any of this, just frustrated at times because I like to understand the reason for opinions in order to discuss why. I enjoy debate so if someone says that something is terrible (or great) I like to know why.
If I make a statement that all blues sounds the same is that my opinion, or a fact? There actually is some truth to that statement, and I have no problem, as a blues fan, admitting it. I always joke with my wife that the blues is only one song but what a great song!
Saying singing is off-key or screeching or rough may also have elements of fact and opinion. I went to a Dylan concert and his harmonica was off-key and sounded horrible. It is a fact it was off-key but an opinion that it was horrible assuming one could enjoy off-key music.
On the other thread I had to keep pointing out that Led Zep basically ripped of other artists because most everyone seemed to let their positive opinion of them want to defend them against this charge. But it is a fact, if you listen to the music. Someone else did the research and I found it on the internet. It was not my opinion.
I realize nothing is pure when it comes to plagiarizing in music but in the case of Led Zep it seems especially egregious and I think it is a valid criticism of them. I have also pointed out how CCR copped from Scotty Moore; Jagger sang like Don Covay, Elvis Costello used riffs from Abba and David Bowie. This happens alll the time to different degrees.
But Zep could have gone two ways. They could have been a blues cover band putting their own stamp on it or used the basic blues as a base to write their own songs. Most other bands gave credit where it was due. They chose to put their names on songs that weren't really theirs.
I understand your point entirely, and understand the issue; points well taken. I got off track in my previous response, so deleted it. Insofar as my comments about Baez, and my other qualifications. they were stated with "to me" and "to my ears", so I do feel that I expressed them as opinions, not facts. But I also don't wanto feel I am walking on eggshells when giving an opinion or stating how I feel. Sometimes, the comments boxes are just snippets of what's on our minds.
The truth is, as for the charge of plagiarism, Led Zeppelin are certainly guilty as charged, and that is fact, not opinion on any level. I guess, to a certain extent, it is like the issue of the PEDs in sports, and that is, some people might be willing to weigh that part of a career for an athlete, similarly to the way the plagiarism issue might be weighed for Led Zeppelin's career -- against the rest of their body of work, and still feel good about their achievements. Others, just as it is in sports, will not.
It is not just a valid criticism, but one that also leaves a residue that really can't be erased. Insofar as the group think, the last thing on my mind was invalidating you; it had more to do with wondering what the heck really happened, because it is hard to understand that it took so many years for those claims to come to light.