Punk Rock is not only dead, but it was always limited....

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    Punk Rock is not only dead, but it was always limited....

    ...or you don't have a clue about....what "Punk Rock" meant or remains.:

    • The Oblivions:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GCNMZa2v9A 
    • Wau y los Aarrghs (my personal favourite) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7E3dW0oSrU
    • The Stooges
    • MC5
    • DMZ
    • The Sonics (above all?)
    • The Clash
    • Thee Spivs
    • The Love Triangle (name fuxxs me off because....am sure you geddit.....but they they don't sound like that)
    • Many more might force me to drag me elderly hands across the keyboard to bore you with so will finish with the ultimate, hands down, efff off, proto punk (think Stooges/MC5) titans:  Radio Birdman:  my 2nd song ever!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkKiZ9VSD6U

     

     

     

     
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    No forms of rock are dead, or ever will be, until the planet expires. 

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    No forms of rock are dead, or ever will be, until the planet expires. 



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    Re: Punk Rock is not only dead, but it was always limited....

    I thought Disco was dead, sadly I was wrong it just has less popularity.

    Punk was supposed to be limited. That's what made it great , it was limited to the people who really liked it, they weren't able to ever market it to the masses. They tried to, they cleaned it up and called it "New Wave." Then it morphed into "Post Punk"and finally got grouped with "Alternative"..... however not "Adult Alternative" because Punk was always meant to appeal to the young ( or us older guys who refuse to play bingo and retire to the recliner).

    I'd ask if you think the Blues are dead, but HF has already given the correct answer. Music is not a living, breathing entity that can "die." It can fade in popularity, it can be pushed to a backburner, but art forms never truly die.

    I remember a book ( I still have it). It was called Lillian Roxon's Rock Encyclopedia and the segment about Black Sabbath declared that Heavy Metal was dead....this was in 1975 or 76, before Iron Maiden Ozzy Solo and groups like the Scorpions and Judas Priest continued the assault thru the 80's.

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    I am not a musician as I have made very clear, many times.  I also have also mentioned "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor" many times.

    No Ramones fan, nor any of the Ramones, would every claim any of them were even decent instrumentalists (ok, maybe Marky IMO).

    But ask any musician if playing 40 minutes of frenetic, downstroke-only music with only "1-2-3-4" as "stage patter" is easy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1oLQ55IfPA

     
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    Punk, nor any other form of music, will ever die.    Anyone who thinks that's the case, must also believe that forms of design also die (such as architecture, applied art, fashion design, furnishings, photography, etc), because it's all art, one way or another.    

    Additionally, in the digital age we live in, it's "virtually" impossible to bury a form of music, even disco (sorry Zilla); the benefit is that it's there for the taking, for anyone, from any generation.   

    What's old is new again, and what's new may go onto the back burner at any time, but it's still simmering.   Since we've had so many discussions on the forum re: this topic, I don't use the term "dated" the way I once did, which had a more definitive connotation.  I may say it came from a certain era, which "dates" it --- but that's not the same as calling it dated.   No such thing.   I've seen the light. =)  

    Slightly OT / tangential music topic re: what's "dead"::

    NOTE: So much of our popular culture is derived from the world of rock n roll, and that includes clothing fashion design.  Time and time again:  rockers wear and originate a "look", and designers and consumers glom onto it.   Many modern-day fashion trends are the direct result of the way rock musicians popularized a "look", either in their private life, or their stage presence.  John Lennon's eyeglasses go in and out of fashion, perhaps, but the look is now considered a classic, now referred to as "John Lennon" style eyewear.  

    People may say "grunge" is dead, too (it's not ...); amusingly enough, the grunge look made famous by grunge bands back in the day, and Kate Moss on the runway, (and that's not just flannel shirts) is back in full force.   I saw this in the NYT's fashion outlook and it really made me laugh: what's old is new again.   (Frankly, I far prefer Carnaby Street, mod fashions of the sixties, if we're going retro).

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    So, so slack....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMaOcL7UERU

     
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    A long time ago, in a place far, far away, a bunch of Aussie, stoner slackers misheard the lyrics to "1970"....and created one of the all-time best bands:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkKiZ9VSD6U

    Best song ever?

     

     

     
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    If anyone cares , I was wearing flannel shirts before they became part of the "grunge"look. Not because I give a damn about style....I was comfortable in them. I have since moved on to sweatshirts ( plain ones mostly), not because it looks cool or represents anything but because they are comforable. I am also comfortable with classic rock, heavy metal, alternative, punk, new wave, rockabilly, blues , folk and most grunge....not because anyone of them are cool or whether they are dead or alive in some people's minds, but because I simply like it.

    Cue Mick Jagger..."I know it's only ....but I like it...like it, yes I do..."

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    Declaring things dead, is dead.

     

     

     

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    Well I guess in a way, the point of punk was to be anti-'art'.

     
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    Music styles extremely defined seem to have only a limited shelf life even if they were extremely popular in their day.  Example: Swing music (mostly 1940's).  But some people still listen to it.

     
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    In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:

    Here is basically what happened. The Who and The Kinks wanted to shock England so they got loud and obnoxious.

    Fast forward 10 years later and the kids who loved those bands tried to one up them with worse musicianship, lyrics, melody, singing and arrangements.

    Those are the Cliff's Notes.



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    Well I guess in a way, the point of punk was to be anti-'art'.

     




    Some will say that Heavy Metal also wasn't art.

     

    In the same way that porn movies are not art in the true sense of the word. Or comic books are not literature.

    But, who decides what's art anyway?

    I draw cartoons ( as a hobby, but dabbled in political cartoons around 20 years ago , with limited success. But, the fact is I had a little success. Many people who have seen my drawings think I am brilliant. I am more critical of my work and know that it is better than what most can do, but pales next to the real professionals work). I do consider myself an amatuer artist. But, what I can do with a pencil is soemthing anyone can do if they put their mind to it. If anyone tells me my work is not art, I can't really disagree , but it is "artistic" to some degree..and it makes people laugh. It is a very good feeling when you can make at least one person laugh. Especially amid all the depressing stuff in the world we live in.

    Art is truly in the eye or the ear of the beholder.

    I like Punk, I like Heavy Metal. Therefore it is good in my world. I don't give a rat's *$$ if someone claims it's not art.

     

     
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    Well I guess in a way, the point of punk was to be anti-'art'.


    Some will say that Heavy Metal also wasn't art.

     

    Yes, I think there are some strong parallels between punk and the really simplistic forms of metal.  I think they both represent a sort of revolt against the pretty, complex, progressive, or-some might say-self-indulgent music that was dominant in the early and mid-Seventies.

    The approach of punk and metal was angry, aggressive, visceral, profane.

     

     
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    Well I guess in a way, the point of punk was to be anti-'art'.


    Some will say that Heavy Metal also wasn't art.

     

    Yes, I think there are some strong parallels between punk and the really simplistic forms of metal.  I think they both represent a sort of revolt against the pretty, complex, progressive, or-some might say-self-indulgent music that was dominant in the early and mid-Seventies.

    The approach of punk and metal was angry, aggressive, visceral, profane.

     



    So not unlike Guernica.  ;-)

       

     

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