The debut album that was never surpassed

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    The debut album that was never surpassed

    Many innovative rock artists impress and improve over time.  They may not deliver their best album until they are at the mid-point and/or well into their careers.  

    There are others, and perhaps quite a few, who come out of the gate with a debut release that they couldn't (and never did) top.   They not only didn't save the best for last, the best was the album that was first up.

    It's not as though the artists that never bettered their debut haven't or didn't continue to produce great music ... and for years ... you remained loyal and love(d) the music, but you waited and waited for something *better* -- and nothing better ever materialized.  

    What artists, in your estimation, have never been able to top their debut album?   The Pretenders?  Pearl Jam?  

    Thoughts, anyone?  
     
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    Right off the top of my head, The Cars and Boston spring to mind.



     
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    Boston must be the ultimate example of this.
     
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    Moby Grape


     
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    Van Halen's debut was their best.

    But, I wasn't disappointed with Van Halen's others. I just really think they weren't as good.
     
    Same with the Cars and Boston mentioned by p-mike. Boston's 2nd album was pretty good, I like it alot, it was a minor notch below the first one.

    I suppose it is a matter of opinion. Foreigner and Pat Benatar made a lot of great Lp's, I think both equalled their debut with followups, but I can't say that any "surpassed" the debut.
     
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    Well,I would have said Boston,Pearl Jam and GNR too.A couple more I'd add are
    The Stray Cats and Rick Derringer
     
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    [QUOTE]Van Halen's debut was their best. But, I wasn't disappointed with Van Halen's others. I just really think they weren't as good.   Same with the Cars and Boston mentioned by p-mike. Boston's 2nd album was pretty good, I like it alot, it was a minor notch below the first one. I suppose it is a matter of opinion. Foreigner and Pat Benatar made a lot of great Lp's, I think both equalled their debut with followups, but I can't say that any "surpassed" the debut.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    I would say the same thing about Candy-O. There wasn't anything particularly wrong with it, but The Cars had set the bar so high that further efforts were bound to suffer by comparison. As for Foreigner, I suspect sales of Foreigner 4 probably surpassed the debut, but personally, I liked the early sound much  better.
     
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    Thomas Dolby, Golden Age of Wireless. The Album was a classic not so much for the overplayed "She blinded me with Science," which I thought was the weakest song on the album, but for great tracks like " Windpower, One of Our Submarines, Radio Silence, and Europa and the Pirate twins." But for me the track" Airwaves,"is the real standout on that album.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The debut album that was never surpassed : I would say the same thing about Candy-O. There wasn't anything particularly wrong with it, but The Cars had set the bar so high that further efforts were bound to suffer by comparison. As for Foreigner, I suspect sales of Foreigner 4 probably surpassed the debut, but personally, I liked the early sound much  better.
    Posted by p-mike[/QUOTE]

    'Candy-O', 'Don't Look Back', and 'Van Halen 2' have much in common. Only Van Halen got it right by adding '2' to the title. 'Candy-O' should have been titled 'Cars 2', they did not deviate from the first LP very much, but somehow I still find the first one considerably better. 'Don't Look Back' was very much an extension of the first one, it could easily have been coupled with the debut as a two record set.

    Up until the Clash released 'London Calling' their debut seemed unsurpassable. But "The only band that mattered" showed why they mattered so much by releasing a double album filled with gems and seemingly devoid of filler....perhaps the only band to outdo their debut (or theri best effort) with a 2-record (studio) set.
     
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    Agree on the Cars.

    For those who have knowledge of the Velvet Underground -- what do you think?  First / best?  Just wondering.  
     
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    [QUOTE]Agree on the Cars. For those who have knowledge of the Velvet Underground -- what do you think?  First / best?  Just wondering.  
    Posted by yogafriend[/QUOTE]

    Never had a favorite Velvet Underground LP.

    Love the song 'Sweet Jane.'...a classic whether done by the Velvets or by Mott The Hoople.
     
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    There are so many of them, but I have to agree that it has to be Boston. It is well regarded as one of the great debut albums of all-time and it took years to follow up and with an inferior product that showed little to no progression.
     
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    Hooters - Nervous Night

    Great debut, followed by respectable second album, followed by poor third album, followed by 'See ya'...
     
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    The Strokes - Is This It

    The Stone Roses

    The Doors

    Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted

    The Band - Music From Big Pink

    Television - Marquee Moon

    Portishead - Dummy

    Rage Against The Machine

     
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    The Violent Femmes first album was amazing. After that they couldnt equal
     
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    [QUOTE]The Cars are probably the obvious choice for me too.  It's tough to comment on that band because one of my cousins was a member.  I haven't done a great job keeping current with music either, best I can come up with are Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians and the Spin Doctors.  Wasn't crazy about either debut album, but both were better than anything that followed. There is at least one 'Rings' fan lurking around here, so I'll throw that name out too.  They only released one album, so you can't argue that they ever topped it!
    Posted by SlimPickensIII[/QUOTE]
    You're right ... the release of one album doesn't count.  Nice try.  :D

    Funny, but I was waiting for Zilla to say the Sex Pistols (they only released one studio album -- the rest were live), a nice little fact I learned from him, actually.  That would fit a thread entitled "one album / maximum impact"  --  I have no idea how many bands exist that released only one studio album who went on to become as legendary as the Sex Pistols.   

     
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    To me there's a theme that runs through this, through the arcs of the artists who lose their winning touch.

    'The pen is mightier than the axe.'

    You can be the greatest band in the world, but it's your ability to write good material, and to keep writing new good material, that makes or breaks you as a recording artist.
     
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    Matty - Disagree on The Band. The second album, The Band, was at least as good, if not better, than the debut. I was going to make a similar choice with Hendrix but same thing there, next album was different, but great in its own way. Much like The Band's first two.

    Now after The Band, you could argue there was a big drop-off. But the first two albums are great, IMO.

     
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    Weezer - (Blue Album)

    start to finish, a very fun album.  very well put together.  they lost their original bassist due to family issues after this, and he eventually formed The Rentals I believe.  He wrote Say it Ain't So, and Undone, I believe.

    Also, going out on a limb of sorts here...

    Paul McCartney - McCartney

    never quite reached that point again while solo IMHO, possibly due to his insistance of having Linda play keyboards and sing.  (complex re: John + Yoko, methinks).  He did the first album all by himself on a 4-track analog recorder, I believe.
    Oh, and I am counting Wings as never matching up to it, either.  Band on the Run would have been either 3 great songs, or 1 great one if the transitions were smooth.  Of course, I probably would have been blown away if I had heard it when it first came out.  Radiohead spoiled me re: 3-part songs with Paranoid Android.

    Matty, Rage self-titled!?  Noooooooo!  Battle of Los Angelos and Evil Empire are amazing too!  I think I like them all the same.
     
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    [QUOTE]Also, going out on a limb of sorts here... Paul McCartney - McCartney never quite reached that point again while solo IMHO, possibly due to his insistance of having Linda play keyboards and sing.  (complex re: John + Yoko, methinks).  He did the first album all by himself on a 4-track analog recorder, I believe. Oh, and I am counting Wings as never matching up to it, either.   
    Posted by phsmith8[/QUOTE]
    If I may be so humble  ... I don't want to pick nits with you (I should know better) but did Paul really have more than one *purely* solo album?  

    I don't count Wings, either, as that was his band, not Paul goin' solo.  I absolutely love "McCartney" --  was that it, though?

    I have very little knowledge of Wings, btw, other than the main hits that everyone seems to know.    Should I bother?  :P    NOTE: The Wings songs that I do know, are expendable; I don't really like any of them.

     
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    McCartney II, released in 1980. first solo album since formation of wings, I believe. 
    ...not to mention Tug of War, Pipes for Peace, Give My Regards to Broad Street, Press to Play, Flowers in the Dirt, Off the Ground, Run Devil Run, Driving Rain, Chaos and Creation in the Backyard...

    I really didn't enjoy Wings.
     
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    McCartney i can agree with, also Blind Faith ( but they only had one album)
     
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    [QUOTE]Matty - Disagree on The Band. The second album, The Band , was at least as good, if not better, than the debut. I was going to make a similar choice with Hendrix but same thing there, next album was different, but great in its own way. Much like The Band's first two. Now after The Band , you could argue there was a big drop-off. But the first two albums are great, IMO.
    Posted by devildavid[/QUOTE]

    Once upon a time, I would have agreed with you, but the years have cottoned me to their debut instead....a personal preference maybe, as I concur that both are amazing, but I just like Big Pink better.

    It really comes down to two tracks: "Long Black Veil" and "I Shall Be Released" which are among my favorites of all-time.
     

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