Re: The English Beat: Rate them against their peers
posted at 3/1/2012 1:18 PM EST
In Response to Re: The English Beat: Rate them against their peers
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Agree with you on Depeche mode, while they may have started out as a cult band, 20 years on they are still selling out arenas other bands of that era could only dream of. As far as new wave music not holding up well, I agree with Matty, it has, one only has to look at the direct line from the Jam to the Smith's to Radiohead.
Posted by polar123[/QUOTE]
I agree more now than I did when I started the thread. Learned quite a bit in this thread, you see.
However, my main issue is what I call the "assumption of knowledge" when it comes to recognizing that "direct line" -- you can see it because of the music you've followed, but it's not obvious for someone who hasn't had the benefit of that background, or following that music. The etymology of this genre turns out to be blended, complex and multi-layered, but the bottom line is that New Wave is alive and well in many (evolved forms) and I didn't comprehend it that way prior to this discussion. Even if New Wave were a dead and buried musical genre, I still have the benefit of seeing it with a new understanding.
Furthermore, in looking up ska music (I did not look at Wiki or any other source prior to writing up this thread), ska's evolution is outlined in three tiers, by date. The English Beat is in the second tier (late 70's, tone ska revival) and No Doubt (for one, there are dozens, but JE mentioned them as being influenced by the EB), is in the third (third wave ska, early 80's). Not saying that Wiki is comprehensive, but it's a nice visual / map.
All this to say you all know what you're talking about (as always) and it's liberating to see New Wave this way. My frame of reference has been revised, and for the better.