$10.10

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    small business math lesson m'kay?

    - small business cleans houses 10 per day/50 per wk, $110 per house = $286,000 gross (+)

    - small business (10) employees x $8 /hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 weeks = $166,400 payroll (-)

    - Owner salary                                                                          = $40,000 annually (-)

    - taxes, unemployment insurance, vehicle ins. libaility ins. van cost, equipment, supplies, repairs to equipment, RMv fees, misc costs                                                               = $37,500 (-)

    Gross profit before corporate taxes =                                              = $42,100 (+)

    $2 per hour raise for every employee 10 x $2/hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 wks = $41,600 (-)

    Gross profit after increase in the minimum wage                                = $500

    ****don't forget, this company falls under the threshold for supplying health insurance for it's employees

    Sounds like a winner for the small business community!

     

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    A 5% increase in charge per house to $115 = $14,300 in added profit
    A 10% increase in the charge per house to $120 = $28,600 in added profit

     

    The fact that every competitor operates under the same minimum wage rules = Priceless.

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    Can't increase pricies, houses (clients) will go to the next cleaning company with lower rates, it's the same with all of you liberals, just charge more, totally simple.  No competition right?  just like raising taxes?

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    Competition? What's that? Won't everyone raise their rates to what you charge so everything will be fair??? : )

     
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    small business math lesson m'kay?

    - small business cleans houses 10 per day/50 per wk, $110 per house = $286,000 gross (+)

    - small business (10) employees x $8 /hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 weeks = $166,400 payroll (-)

    - Owner salary                                                                          = $40,000 annually (-)

    - taxes, unemployment insurance, vehicle ins. libaility ins. van cost, equipment, supplies, repairs to equipment, RMv fees, misc costs                                                               = $37,500 (-)

    Gross profit before corporate taxes =                                              = $42,100 (+)

    $2 per hour raise for every employee 10 x $2/hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 wks = $41,600 (-)

    Gross profit after increase in the minimum wage                                = $500

    ****don't forget, this company falls under the threshold for supplying health insurance for it's employees

    Sounds like a winner for the small business community!

     

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    A 5% increase in charge per house to $115 = $14,300 in added profit
    A 10% increase in the charge per house to $120 = $28,600 in added profit

     

    The fact that every competitor operates under the same minimum wage rules = Priceless.

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    Can't increase pricies, houses (clients) will go to the next cleaning company with lower rates, it's the same with all of you liberals, just charge more, totally simple.  No competition right?  just like raising taxes?

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    Why would the next guy have lower rates?  He got hit with the same minimum wage hike that you did.......aww nevermind.

     
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    small business math lesson m'kay?

    - small business cleans houses 10 per day/50 per wk, $110 per house = $286,000 gross (+)

    - small business (10) employees x $8 /hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 weeks = $166,400 payroll (-)

    - Owner salary                                                                          = $40,000 annually (-)

    - taxes, unemployment insurance, vehicle ins. libaility ins. van cost, equipment, supplies, repairs to equipment, RMv fees, misc costs                                                               = $37,500 (-)

    Gross profit before corporate taxes =                                              = $42,100 (+)

    $2 per hour raise for every employee 10 x $2/hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 wks = $41,600 (-)

    Gross profit after increase in the minimum wage                                = $500

    ****don't forget, this company falls under the threshold for supplying health insurance for it's employees

    Sounds like a winner for the small business community!

     

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    A 5% increase in charge per house to $115 = $14,300 in added profit
    A 10% increase in the charge per house to $120 = $28,600 in added profit

     

    The fact that every competitor operates under the same minimum wage rules = Priceless.

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    Can't increase pricies, houses (clients) will go to the next cleaning company with lower rates, it's the same with all of you liberals, just charge more, totally simple.  No competition right?  just like raising taxes?

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    Why would the next guy have lower rates?  He got hit with the same minimum wage hike that you did.......aww nevermind.

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    May have less employees. May take less of a cut. Could be many reasons another company can charge a little less

     
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    small business math lesson m'kay?

    - small business cleans houses 10 per day/50 per wk, $110 per house = $286,000 gross (+)

    - small business (10) employees x $8 /hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 weeks = $166,400 payroll (-)

    - Owner salary                                                                          = $40,000 annually (-)

    - taxes, unemployment insurance, vehicle ins. libaility ins. van cost, equipment, supplies, repairs to equipment, RMv fees, misc costs                                                               = $37,500 (-)

    Gross profit before corporate taxes =                                              = $42,100 (+)

    $2 per hour raise for every employee 10 x $2/hr x 40 hr/wk x 52 wks = $41,600 (-)

    Gross profit after increase in the minimum wage                                = $500

    ****don't forget, this company falls under the threshold for supplying health insurance for it's employees

    Sounds like a winner for the small business community!

     

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    A 5% increase in charge per house to $115 = $14,300 in added profit
    A 10% increase in the charge per house to $120 = $28,600 in added profit

     

    The fact that every competitor operates under the same minimum wage rules = Priceless.

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    Can't increase pricies, houses (clients) will go to the next cleaning company with lower rates, it's the same with all of you liberals, just charge more, totally simple.  No competition right?  just like raising taxes?

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    Why would the next guy have lower rates?  He got hit with the same minimum wage hike that you did.......aww nevermind.

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    May have less employees. May take less of a cut. Could be many reasons another company can charge a little less

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    But none of those reasons have anything to do with the minimum wage hike.

    If he had argued that the homeowner decided to clean their own house, then he might have had something.

     
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    Re: $10.10

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    If you want to be the best, then it costs money.

    You can't have the best infrastructure or schools or military or anything else without paying for it. It's called investment.

    The wingnuts have the opposite approach.

    They think that infrastructure and schools just magically appear from some fairyland.

     

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    Um....tax rates for just about everyone are at historic lows. And if I have my information correct it's because of Obama. Isn't he a Dem? Soooo, guess the above rant currently holds no water. 

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    Um, tax rates are NOT at historic lows...

    Tax receipts are very low, because Obama's failed statist policies have decimated the private sector for 5 years now.

     
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    "A leap to $10.10, however, could be enough to push a large number of the working poor -- a group defined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics as those who fall below the poverty line despite working (or searching for work) at least 27 weeks per year -- out of poverty."

    The reality is otherwise, of course.

    Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau show that most minimum-wage earners are young, part-time workers and that relatively few of them live below the poverty line. Their average family income is over $53,000 a year. A hike in the minimum wage primarily raises pay for suburban teenagers, not the working poor. If Congress and the President seriously want to help the working poor, they should look elsewhere.

     
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    The characteristics of the teenagers and young adults who earn the minimum wage or less support the notion that these minimum-wage workers rarely work to support children and their families: •79 percent work part-time jobs. •62 percent are enrolled in school during non-summer months. •Their average family income is $65,900 per year. •Only 22 percent live at or below the poverty line, while 68 percent enjoy family incomes over 150 percent of the poverty line, which is $33,500 for a family of four.[6] •Most have not finished their education. A third have not yet finished high school, while almost a quarter have only a high school degree. Another two-fifths have taken college courses but have not yet graduated. Many of these are college students working part-time while in school. Only 3 percent have finished college and obtained a degree. •Fully 60 percent are women. •Only 5 percent are married

     
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    "A leap to $10.10, however, could be enough to push a large number of the working poor -- a group defined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics as those who fall below the poverty line despite working (or searching for work) at least 27 weeks per year -- out of poverty."

    The reality is otherwise, of course.

    Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau show that most minimum-wage earners are young, part-time workers and that relatively few of them live below the poverty line. Their average family income is over $53,000 a year. A hike in the minimum wage primarily raises pay for suburban teenagers, not the working poor. If Congress and the President seriously want to help the working poor, they should look elsewhere.

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    But anyone making between $7.25 and $10.09/hr would see an increase, not just the $7.25 kid.

     
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    Um, tax rates are NOT at historic lows...

     

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    I think you've lost your mind......or least your ability to pass off lies.

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

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    Right..... And I suppose if we cut the minimum wage in half, then businesses will double the amount of workers they hire? Of course not. Businesses hire the amount of labor needed to satisfy demand, and run their business - period.

     
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    10.10 is great even though it will put lots of people out of work and close businesses...more out of work dependent people on Obamacare and in poverty means..MORE DEM VOTERS!!!!!

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

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    Right..... And I suppose if we cut the minimum wage in half, then businesses will double the amount of workers they hire? Of course not. Businesses hire the amount of labor needed to satisfy demand, and run their business - period.

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    You suppose wrong of course. Are you supposing they are going to hire MORE???

    Your other assumption is also misguided:

    Businesses hire the amount of labor needed to satisfy demand, and run their business - period.


    Are you suggesting they would hire according to demand independent of the wages they must pay? That would be absurd of course.

     

     

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

     

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    And you know this how?

     

    Walmart has some 3 dozen stores in WA state where the min wage is the highest in the country and that state has an unemployment rate lower than the nat'l average.

    How can that be if a higher min wage leads to less hiring?

    Shouldn't there be higher unemployment than the nat'l average?

    Just because you can think it, and even type it, doesn't make it true.

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    You have no data on what these workers in WA get paid.  You don't know if WalMart would hire more if they could  pay less. Not saying they would, you just don't know.

    Plus WalMart is just one employer. ANd one that is an outlier in size and influence compared to the thousands of small businesses that provide most of the job growth.

    Given other circumstance being equal, companies are going to be able to hire more peole at a lower wage than they could at a higher wage.

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

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    Right..... And I suppose if we cut the minimum wage in half, then businesses will double the amount of workers they hire? Of course not. Businesses hire the amount of labor needed to satisfy demand, and run their business - period.

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    If you cut the minimum wage in half, some companies will hire more, some won't.  but generally, more people will be working.

    if you raise the minimum wage, the opposite will be in effect: companies that can't raise prices will cut workers.  Fewer people will be working.

    that's just the way it works.

     

     
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    Fewer people will get hired at $10/hr than $8/hr. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. SO is more money really going to go into peoples' pockets or is the same amount going to get spread among fewer people?

    Those are also entry level jobs. If you pay attention in school, take it seriously, graduate from high school, get married and have kids when you can afford them, you'll not be concerend about the minimum wage as you will make much more than entry level wages.

    If you scroo up and end up stuck at WalMart working forever at minimum wage it is your own fault.

     

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    And you know this how?

     

    Walmart has some 3 dozen stores in WA state where the min wage is the highest in the country and that state has an unemployment rate lower than the nat'l average.

    How can that be if a higher min wage leads to less hiring?

    Shouldn't there be higher unemployment than the nat'l average?

    Just because you can think it, and even type it, doesn't make it true.

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    You have no data on what these workers in WA get paid.  You don't know if WalMart would hire more if they could  pay less. Not saying they would, you just don't know.

    Plus WalMart is just one employer. ANd one that is an outlier in size and influence compared to the thousands of small businesses that provide most of the job growth.

    Given other circumstance being equal, companies are going to be able to hire more peole at a lower wage than they could at a higher wage.

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    They at least get paid WA state min wage which is $9.35/hr.

    The empirical data suggests that WA, with it's high min wage, has a lower unemployment rate than the country as a whole.

    WA has a lower UE rate than states with min wage $2/hr lower.

    Sure there may be other factors but just to say "You don't know" just shows that you're throwing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks.

    You haven't even attempted to try and offer any evidence, other than your ignorance of business practices and your obviously uninformed opinion.

     

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    Can you consult some brainiac that can give us the mathematical relationship between the minimum wage and unemployment rates?

    "You don't know" is pretty accurate because no one knows.  All I am saying is that at the level which business people make decisions to hire, higher wages make it less likely they will hire more people.

    OK, I don't know either.

    As a matter of fact I don't give a bleep because the only people for which minimum wage is a realistic wage is entry level workers - summer jobs, students, etc. Anyone arguing for higher minimum wages for a primary wage earner is ignoring 8 zillion mistakes someone has to make to be in that position.

    More bailout to incent bad behavior. Applies to companies and people.

     

     
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    Gee username9 just ask for a raise at the McDonalds you work at or go find another higher paying job. Why go to such lengths to have the government get you a raise? 

     

    Gimmie gimme gimme....l is that all you clowns know? 

     
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    Gee username9 just ask for a raise at the McDonalds you work at or go find another higher paying job. Why go to such lengths to have the government get you a raise? 

     

    Gimmie gimme gimme....l is that all you clowns know? 

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    Good point, but that would require user9 personal responsibility for his plight.  We all know that it is the rest of us who are holding him down.

    look.  If paying $10.10 for a no skill, no responsibility job is a good idea, why aren't companies already doing it?

    like Obamacare, all the ideas the progressives have are so good that everyone needs to be forced to accept it only through the long arm of big government, ie.e mandate it.  Lacking a mandate, people, even most minimum wage people would tell the progressives to go pound sand.

     

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