Barack Obama's Civilian Army

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    Barack Obama's Civilian Army

    Barack Obama's Civilian Army

    August 28, 2009 - 1:01 ET

    Thursday's show, I believe, it's the most controversial of all the shows this week — and maybe ever.

    I will give you some facts, some history but also some of the future.

    The reason Thursday's show is the last before Friday's solution, I wanted you to see who was advising the president and what they are doing, before I could ask you to look at this phrase from Barack Obama and think he meant it literally:

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    I don't know how anyone will respond to the facts I am going to present, because they really haven't responded to any of our questions or challenged any of the facts in our last few shows other than "Hey, don't call him a 'czar!'"

    But I can't make this piece of the puzzle fit, unless this piece is about building some kind of thug-ocracy.

    All week we've been asking tough questions — here's one more, Mr. President: Why do we need a civilian national security force that is "just as strong, just as powerful" as the military?

    Here's why I ask this question: Who are we fighting? Who internally is threatening our security?

    It's clearly not because we feel there is a threat from illegal aliens crossing the border, because anyone who would say that has been deemed a racist. A civilian national security force on the border is called The Minuteman and the attitude from this administration — as well as the Bush administration — is that they were "vigilantes." So it's not for the border.

    It can't be a civilian national security force against Islamic extremists, because according to this administration we aren't even at war against Islamic extremists anymore. Is this administration really going to ask the American people to profile and call-in tips on Muslim Americans who act suspiciously?

    So, who's left? Is it possible we are seeing the beginnings of another enemy?

    Mr. President, is your civilian national security force to protect us from things the Missouri State Police, your own Homeland Security and the liberal Southern Law Poverty Center have come out and said were a threat: militia groups; tea party goers; folks with "Don't Tread on Me" flags; me; Sarah Palin?

    Think about this: Is it unreasonable to think this government would ask you to spy on your neighbors, in light of these recent stories:

    — Flag.gov e-mail asking for tips on "fishy" behavior

    — Cookies on your computer that track whenever you've been on a government Web site — this used to be illegal but that was changed

    — The government is using outside companies to track and contact you. Are they gathering information on you? I know that on "cash for clunkers" they didn't trust the dealers.

    To me, all of this sounds like a sci-fi movie, but again I have to ask the reasonable question, in these unreasonable times: Who will the civilian national security force protect us from?

    Maybe a better question to ask is, Mr. President: Do you know of a coming event?

    Or maybe we should ask Joe Biden, who said:

    (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

    THEN-VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN: Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.... Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said: Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

    (END AUDIO CLIP)

    Is this civilian national security force just preparing for what Joe Biden predicted?

    Who builds an army against an unidentified, unrecognized threat? Because we can't answer that question — or any of the others just proposed — then it's up to us to look for clues.

    Maybe we have to start with the company whose CEO is a close financial adviser to the president of the United States, who helped write the health care bill and cap-and-trade bill and who has billions of dollars at stake: Jeffrey Immelt.

    Immelt has been appointed by president to the board of directors to the New York Federal Reserve. Does he have any information? Let's look for what they may be saying the threat will be that we will need a civilian national security force against.

    It would seem to me the network that sells "Yes We Did" dolls, mugs and t-shirts and is obviously extraordinarily close to the president in seven different ways — is it possible to watch their network and their news, to see if they have any inside information as to what this threat may be? Immelt's network seems to be the leading network in predicting a lot of trouble, but they're not alone:

    (BEGIN VIDEO MONTAGE)

    ED SCHULTZ RADIO SHOW: Folks, these people are psycho. That's what they are. Sometimes I think they want Obama to get shot. I do. I really think that there are conservative broadcasters in this country who would love to see Obama taken out.

    FRANK RICH, NEW YORK TIMES COLUMNIST: I'm just old enough, I was a kid, I remember I woke up in 1963 to the horrible events in Dallas. Even as a kid, I happened to be growing up in Washington, D.C., it was palatable to me all this hate talk about Kennedy and this sort of crazy fear.... But there were a lot of threats. There was a lot of stuff going on that in tone resembles this.

    SEN. BARBARA BOXER, D-CALIF.: All of this is a diversion by the people who want to, frankly, hurt President Obama. And by the way I saw some of the clips of people storming these townhall meetings. The last time I saw well-dressed people doing this, was when Al Gore asked me to go down to Florida when they were recounting the ballots, and I was confronted with the same type of people. They were there screaming and yelling, "Go back to California! Get out of here!" and all the rest of it.

    CONTESSA BREWER, MSNBC: "A man at a pro-health care reform rally just outside, wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip.... The Associated Press reports about a dozen people in all at that event were visible carrying firearms.... There are questions about whether this has racial overtones. I mean, here you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists.

    (END VIDEO MONTAGE)

    Is it reasonable to ask the question — based on these clips — do they think that a good portion of the American people are the enemy? They are such a danger we need a civilian national security force as well-funded and well-trained as the military?

    That's who they think the enemy is and, once again, the media has it completely wrong.

    So who is the real enemy?

    "Common Sense" has been No. 1 for the last 10 weeks. One of the last chapters is "The Enemy Within" — I wrote it months ago. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out — let me give you this quote:

    "It's not just the political class who has mastered the art of deception. There are other potentially deadly masters who will seek to exploit your frustration and sense of desperation. Many will warn you of government tyranny; they'll talk of secret societies, vast conspiracies, shadow governments, and the need for violent action. I urge you to stay away from these individuals and those ideas."

    We've showed you the radicals in this administration. Now I'll show you the radicals outside the administration who are being used and will be used by the media and by this administration:

    There was the Obama Joker poster creator; the right tried to take advantage of this and added the word "socialist" under it. But the creator of the poster is a Kucinich supporter who doesn't like Obama because he's not left enough.

    Then there was that clip on MSNBC: The racist white person (according to MSNBC) who brought a rifle to the Obama town hall — wasn't even white! He was black.

    In Denver, Maurice Joseph Schwenkler and an at-large accomplish smashed in windows at the Democratic Party HQ in Denver. Both parties accused Schwenkler of supporting the other, but he's a "trans-gendered anarchist" who belongs to the radical anarchist protest group Denver Bash Back.

    While the radicals in the White House may not be connected to the radicals just mentioned, they are connected by the fact that they are radicals.

    Remember, Obama adviser "czar" Jones created STORM who believes: "Revolutionaries need to be militant in street actions. As leaders in the fight for liberation, we should be role models of fearlessness before the state and the oppressor."

    These are the sort of tactics some of Obama's "czars" know best.

    So when we've got a president creating a "civilian force" as strong as the military and an admitted far-left radical in the White House doing this:

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    VAN JONES, GREEN JOBS 'CZAR': Actually, my job is not so dissimilar than my job was before.... What I do, can I make it simple, I'm basically a community organizer with the federal family.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    How else am I supposed to read this? I'm happy to hear any other explanation than "don't call him a czar."

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  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from DamainAllen. Show DamainAllen's posts

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    That drunk is fearmongering and repeating nonsense best left for the pages of WND and Prison Planet.  Obama was clearly talking about expanding programs like Peace Corps and AmeriCorps in addition to creating new opportunities for people to volunteer.  This was mentioned in the same speech where the OMG OMINOUS SOUNDING QUOTE was pulled from and cropped.  Yeah, Obama is going to single handedly enslave whites with his massive army of volunteers and make them ride at the back of the bus.  Because really that is the point that Beck is trying to get across.  Be afraid of the Black radical coming for “US”. 

     

     
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    I thought this was going to go away.  Obama won't stay in office long enough to get this done....especially when he loses the Senate and a lot of seats in the House in the mid terms next year.

    I am shocked that the White House will now do terrorist interrogations instead of the CIA.  Where is the outrage?????

    Pannetta freaked out....nice to see someone on the dem side is taking his job seriously.  I have to give him credit for pushing back on Obama to protect the CIA and our security.  He has pleasantly surprised me in that regard.

     
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    wonder what the (R) he appointed to run this little pet project thinks about all this fear-mongering. some people are seriously whacked.
     
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    [QUOTE]That drunk is fearmongering and repeating nonsense best left for the pages of WND and Prison Planet.   Obama was clearly talking about expanding programs like Peace Corps and AmeriCorps in addition to creating new opportunities for people to volunteer.   This was mentioned in the same speech where the OMG OMINOUS SOUNDING QUOTE was pulled from and cropped.   Yeah, Obama is going to single handedly enslave whites with his massive army of volunteers and make them ride at the back of the bus.   Because really that is the point that Beck is trying to get across.   Be afraid of the Black radical coming for “US”.    
    Posted by DamainAllen[/QUOTE]

    If he wants to expand the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps, why doesn't he come out and say that? To me, this could be a totally different thing. Why else would the White House come out with a website so that citizens can "rat out" other citizens if they are speaking out against,  emailing bad things against, and generally against the President? Answer that one and you may get a prize. However, I think it will be more of a surprise.
     
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    You're talking about the healthcare disinformation hotline?  If so, then that's a tremendous reach.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : If he wants to expand the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps, why doesn't he come out and say that? To me, this could be a totally different thing. Why else would the White House come out with a website so that citizens can "rat out" other citizens if they are speaking out against,  emailing bad things against, and generally against the President? Answer that one and you may get a prize. However, I think it will be more of a surprise.
    Posted by gabootwo2006[/QUOTE]

    He did come out and say it, several times in fact. There is an entire proposal detailing this out there for you to read versus taking the words of a man who admitted on national TV that he doesn't even fact check the things he says because he isn't a reporter. 
     
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    [QUOTE]You're talking about the healthcare disinformation hotline?  If so, then that's a tremendous reach.
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    It WAS the first time in history that the White House set up a direct line of communication for people for the sole purpose of turning in folks that simply disagree with the President.

    Dissent is good....unless Obama is President!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : It WAS the first time in history that the White House set up a direct line of communication for people for the sole purpose of turning in folks that simply disagree with the President. Dissent is good....unless Obama is President!!!
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]

    Ohh but this is the president of... UNITY !!

    Lying b@stard !
     
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    In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : It WAS the first time in history that the White House set up a direct line of communication for people for the sole purpose of turning in folks that simply disagree with the President. Dissent is good....unless Obama is President!!!
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]

    Turning people in?  What was the punishment these people received?  It was an attempt to learn where all the disinformation was coming from.  People were not turned in, websites were specified so that the interns at the White House could research all the lies in an effort to refute them.

    In the past the interns would have read newspapers, but you can't fault the White House for coinciding with the digital age.
     
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    In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : He did come out and say it, several times in fact. There is an entire proposal detailing this out there for you to read versus taking the words of a man who admitted on national TV that he doesn't even fact check the things he says because he isn't a reporter. 
    Posted by DamainAllen[/QUOTE]


    I think what the President wants is three separate things here. Of course, build up the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps and have those organizations do the good things they do. However, the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps aren't a Civilian Army. That leaves organizations like ACORN to grow and become this third civilian force which is just downright scary because what would they be defending against? We already have the police domestically and the National Guard for things that get really bad. Therefore, why would Obama need a third type force to do his dirty work for him? I am not going to say what I think his intentions are yet, I could be wrong and hopefully I am,  but I will be very wary of this and will be looking to see what he does with it, if anything.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : I think what the President wants is three separate things here. Of course, build up the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps and have those organizations do the good things they do. However, the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps aren't a Civilian Army. That leaves organizations like ACORN to grow and become this third civilian force which is just downright scary because what would they be defending against? We already have the police domestically and the National Guard for things that get really bad. Therefore, why would Obama need a third type force to do his dirty work for him? I am not going to say what I think his intentions are yet, I could be wrong and hopefully I am,  but I will be very wary of this and will be looking to see what he does with it, if anything.
    Posted by gabootwo2006[/QUOTE]

    don't say 'organizations like ACORN' look up what he actually intends and then comment. sounds like your reverting to talking points.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : Turning people in?  What was the punishment these people received?  It was an attempt to learn where all the disinformation was coming from.  People were not turned in, websites were specified so that the interns at the White House could research all the lies in an effort to refute them. In the past the interns would have read newspapers, but you can't fault the White House for coinciding with the digital age.
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    MT,

    Seriously???  Where does your un-ending love and trust of the federal government originate???  I don't get it.  Do you know anything about the origins of our country, the Constitution and what makes us far better than any other nation in history???  I'll give you a hint...it has nothing to do with having a large, strong centralized federl government.  King George would have LOVED you!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : don't say 'organizations like ACORN' look up what he actually intends and then comment. sounds like your reverting to talking points.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    I'm not saying ACORN yet even though they an obvious target for this. All I am saying is that what he wants is very curious and raises a ton of questions on what their functions will be, if assembled and funded.
     
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    Clearly, he was talking about the National Guard and associated Civil Air & Defense Corps, especially since the former has been depleted so badly from the multi-trillion-dollar Iraq War travesty.

    The National Guard was never really intended to fight ground wars overseas (much less for dubious rewards or under false pretenses, but I digress).  Perhaps if more attention had been paid to keeping military bases open and actively deploying NG troops and training security personnel...it staggers the imagination really.

    In an economy like this, a renewed Civil Defense Organization could provide decent, steady jobs for a lot of unemployed people as well as those returning from overseas deployments
     
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    In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : Turning people in?  What was the punishment these people received?  It was an attempt to learn where all the disinformation was coming from.  People were not turned in, websites were specified so that the interns at the White House could research all the lies in an effort to refute them. In the past the interns would have read newspapers, but you can't fault the White House for coinciding with the digital age.
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    LOL...you know damn well if it was a Republican White House doing this you'd be crying about right to privacy and that your civil rights were being trampled on.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : LOL...you know damn well if it was a Republican White House doing this you'd be crying about right to privacy and that your civil rights were being trampled on.
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    And if it were a Republican President, you'd be defending him.
     
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    [QUOTE]That drunk is fearmongering and repeating nonsense best left for the pages of WND and Prison Planet.   Posted by DamainAllen[/QUOTE]

    You must be talking about Michael Moore...who spread idiotic conspiracy theories about 9/11 straight out of Prison Planet. And the Left Wing loons ate it up.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Barack Obama's Civilian Army : And if it were a Republican President, you'd be defending him.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]

    WRONG! Never defended Bush on anything actually. But that might be due to the fact that I didn't vote for him. Libertarian all the way. Oops!
     
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    I wish he would get this started... I don't have any brown shirts.

    Hope they won't discriminate against people over 50. Be great to meet some nice chicks.
     
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    http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

    how about you guys actually read what the actual plan is before commenting.
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf how about you guys actually read what the actual plan is before commenting.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]



    If Obama comes out and ties in AmeriCorps, The Peace Corp, and this other groups like the Green Corp as being the Civilian Army, then I will retract my concerns. However, if he ties in ACORN in any way to this and starts using this Civilian Army as something else, then my questions will be warranted and confirmed.

    One question though, how much more will this cost the taxpayer to fund? We are already stretched fairly thin.

     
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    HOLD UP.

    I just skimmed through the document that scauma82 linked and this was the only place I saw the term National Civilian Community Corps was here.


    Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies.

    Participants will include full-time members who work with communities to help them plan and prepare

    for emergency response as well as a cadre of volunteers who can be mobilized to help in a national

    disaster. The Corps would draw on the experience of the National Civilian Community Corps, and work

    in cooperation with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). As a U.S. senator, Obama

    introduced legislation to create a national emergency health professional volunteer corps to ensure there

    is a ready pool of volunteer doctors and nurses who are willing, trained, and certified to serve in times of

    disaster. Obama’s planned Homeland Security Corps would build on that effort.


    I could be wrong, but it still seems like these things are not linked and that this National Civilian Community Corps is still separate from all these other groups.

    Even more questions now!!!!!!!

     
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    what is your question exactly?

    think of it in context of hurrican katrina or some other national disaster. if these 'groups' were already constructed than they can assist FEMA, etc.

    i know this sounds like i'm defending obama but really it's just an attempt to keep some honesty on this board.
     
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    [QUOTE]what is your question exactly? think of it in context of hurrican katrina or some other national disaster. if these 'groups' were already constructed than they can assist FEMA, etc. i know this sounds like i'm defending obama but really it's just an attempt to keep some honesty on this board.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]


    Honesty?.. Politics??.. same sentence?


    New combination?

     

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