Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

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    Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

     http://www.humanevents.com/2013/12/26/cruciphobia-at-mt-soledad-the-cross-the-left-cant-bear/

    The Founding Fathers fought for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion...

    "Consider this: Taylor Swift wasn’t even born yet when the fight over the Mount Soledad cross began. How much longer will it drag on? Disgruntled atheists first filed suit over the memorial at a veterans park in San Diego in the summer of 1989. The fringe grievance-mongers have clung bitterly to their litigious activities for nearly a quarter-century. It’s time to let go and bring peace to the city.

    The historic 43-foot cross (29 feet tall on a 14-foot base) has stood atop Mount Soledad on public land since 1954. The Mount Soledad Memorial Association erected the monument to commemorate the sacrifice of American soldiers who died in the Korean War, World War I and World War II. The cross has long carried meaning for the city’s residents far beyond religious symbolism. “It’s a symbol of coming of age and of remembrance,” Pastor Mark Slomka of the Mount Soledad Presbyterian Church said years ago when the case erupted. The San Diego Union-Tribune editorial board explained that the cross is “much like the Mission San Diego de Alcala and the cross at Presidio Park, both of which also are rooted in Christianity but have come to signify the birth of San Diego.”

    Fast-forward to Christmas week 2013. U.S. District Court Judge Larry Burns, who earlier had ruled in support of the cross, was forced to rule that it must come down in 90 days in the wake of a liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision overturning his prior decision. In anticipation of new appeals, Burns stayed the order. All eyes are on the U.S. Supreme Court, which refused to hear the case last summer.

    Rabbi Ben Kamin, who lives in Southern California, responded sensibly to the hysteria of the Mount Soledad cross-hunters who claimed to be irreparably “hurt” by the monument: “After six decades, and hundreds of thousands of visitors, cyclists, hikers, thoughtful folks who simply admire the inspiring vista of land, sky and ocean, the Cross remains simply a beacon, a marker and a landmark.” Kamin wrote that he “once lived adjacent to the site, and it did not bother me then, and it does not bother, offend or intimidate me now. I remain much more concerned about the glaring mercantilism that has by now drained all the fall/winter holidays, from Thanksgiving to Hanukkah to Christmas, of any dignity or theological poetry.”

    Amen to that. Militant atheists won’t rest until every last expression of faith is eradicated from the public square. They don’t stand for reason or religious liberty. They are vengeful purveyors of cruciphobia. The everlasting good news, of course, is that in the end, hope will triumph over hate. Faith will outlast fear. And God’s love will prevail long after physical crosses have fallen."

    Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The cross the left can't bear

     
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    Funny how when Muslims wanted to build a mosque in NYC, privately funded and on private land, these same neo-cons didn't side with those people as a "freedom of religion" issue.

    Why is that?

     

     
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    Re: Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

    Why is that?

    As the real estate agent said, "location, location, location."

     

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    Why is that?

    As the real estate agent said, "location, location, location."

     

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    Smile....nice!

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    Why is that?

    As the real estate agent said, "location, location, location."

     




    Heh, heh, heh ... funny, but you still failed to mask the hypocrisy of the neo-cons, not to mention their selective invoking of constitutional rights.

    Oh well, what did I expect from a party that uses an abbreviated version of the Constitution and rewrites the Bible because they think Jesus was too liberal.

    Yep, that's some sturdy belief system ... I especially like how it sways with the wind, kind like the spines of those who created it.

     

     
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    Re: Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

    Actually CLC..the founding fathers were concerned equally with freedom of religion and freedom from religion. It was one of the reason's they fled British rule you see.

     
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    Re: Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

    When the "neocons" start protesting new mosques in uncontroversial places let me know...

     

     
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    Re: Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

    What is offensive or problematic with a Cross (or a Star of David or a Star and Crescent) on public land?

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    What is offensive or problematic with a Cross (or a Star of David or a Star and Crescent) on public land?




    What is the problem with building a mosque on PRIVATE land?

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    What is offensive or problematic with a Cross (or a Star of David or a Star and Crescent) on public land?

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    As I understand it the problem is that it is public land. Erecting a religious symbol on public land could be construed as an endorsement of a particular religion. For me this is an issue where I feel torn. My religion is very important to me and my first instinct is loyalty to my faith. So on a personal level I have no issue with a religious symbol being erected on public land. However, whatever I feel personally, I don't have the right to impose that on others..on other religious faiths or on people who do not believe.

    The other issue is that if you ( government) allow one religion to be on display then you must allow them all otherwise it's discrimination.

     
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    Re: Cruciphobia at Mt. Soledad: The Cross the Left Can’t Bear

    Why does the left have to bring building a mosque into this?  Is it because they have a weak argument on the main point?

    Re-start a thread on building a mosque in NYC if it bothers you so much.

     
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    In response to miscricket's comment:
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    What is offensive or problematic with a Cross (or a Star of David or a Star and Crescent) on public land?

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    As I understand it the problem is that it is public land. Erecting a religious symbol on public land could be construed as an endorsement of a particular religion. For me this is an issue where I feel torn. My religion is very important to me and my first instinct is loyalty to my faith. So on a personal level I have no issue with a religious symbol being erected on public land. However, whatever I feel personally, I don't have the right to impose that on others..on other religious faiths or on people who do not believe.

    The other issue is that if you ( government) allow one religion to be on display then you must allow them all otherwise it's discrimination.

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    The Founding Fathers would be horrified to think the Constitution itself is being cited to stifle any public display of religious belief.

    Progressives claim the Constitution requires censorship of religious symbols, but no doubt if some deceased wanted a giant screen displaying pornography at the cemetary,  the same progressives would claim the Constitution protected such "expression" ..

    To claim any display of one religious belief requires ALL religious beliefs (how many? dozens? ) to be on display is absurd...akin to censorship of any display of religion..

     

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    Why does the left have to bring building a mosque into this?  Is it because they have a weak argument on the main point?

    Re-start a thread on building a mosque in NYC if it bothers you so much.

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    WOOOOSH!!!

    Ya, protesting the building of a mosque has nothing to do with religious freedom but protesting a cross does.

    Geepers you people are getting more ridiculous by the hour.

    Why do you need to so narrowly define Constitutional freedoms so that only one religious symbol is protected?

     

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    What is offensive or problematic with a Cross (or a Star of David or a Star and Crescent) on public land?




    As I understand it the problem is that it is public land. Erecting a religious symbol on public land could be construed as an endorsement of a particular religion. For me this is an issue where I feel torn. My religion is very important to me and my first instinct is loyalty to my faith. So on a personal level I have no issue with a religious symbol being erected on public land. However, whatever I feel personally, I don't have the right to impose that on others..on other religious faiths or on people who do not believe.

    The other issue is that if you ( government) allow one religion to be on display then you must allow them all otherwise it's discrimination.

    [/QUOTE]

    The Founding Fathers would be horrified to think the Constitution itself is being cited to stifle any public display of religious belief.

    Progressives claim the Constitution requires censorship of religious symbols, but no doubt if some deceased wanted a giant screen displaying pornography at the cemetary,  the same progressives would claim the Constitution protected such "expression" ..

    To claim any display of one religious belief requires ALL religious beliefs (how many? dozens? ) to be on display is absurd...akin to censorship of any display of religion..

     

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    Why do you need to so narrowly define a Constitutional freedom to only one religious symbol?

    I thought these rights were for everyone to enjoy, not just a slect few.

    Heh, heh, heh ... been reading that abbreviated version of the Constitution you neo-cons are so fond of I see.

    I could care less personally about the cross but after some of your hilariously dumb arguments to defend it which belie your xenophobic bent ... I'd want it taken down just so you'd go flipping beserk.... more so than you already are.

     

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