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    Liberals Seek Health Care Access for Illegals

    A group of House Democrats say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange

    sigh......

     
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    [QUOTE]Liberals Seek Health Care Access for Illegals A group of House Democrats say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange sigh......
    Posted by dazydo[/QUOTE]

    I really don't see that ever happening.  Do you have a reliable link or source?
     
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    The Washington Times

    Liberals seek health-care access for illegals


     

    Fearful that they're losing ground on immigration and health care, a group of House Democrats is pushing back and arguing that any health care bill should extend to all legal immigrants and allow illegal immigrants some access.

    The Democrats, trying to stiffen their party's spines on the contentious issue, say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange. Legal immigrants, they say, regardless of how long they've been in the United States, should be able to get government-subsidized health care if they meet the other eligibility requirements.

    "Legal permanent residents should be able to purchase their plans, and they should also be eligible for subsidies if they need it. Undocumented, if they can afford it, should be able to buy their own private plans. It keeps them out of the emergency room," said Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

    Mr. Honda was joined by more than 20 of his colleagues in two letters laying out the demands.


    Coverage for immigrants is one of the thorniest issues in the health care debate, and one many Democratic leaders would like to avoid. But immigrant rights groups and the Democrats who sent the letters say they have to take a stand now.

    President Obama has said he does not want health care proposals to cover illegal immigrants. The bill drawn up by Sen. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, excludes illegal immigrants from his proposed health care exchange.

    Mr. Honda and his allies, though, say illegal immigrants should be allowed to pay for insurance if they can afford it, even if it comes through a government-established exchange. As a generally young, healthy part of the population, illegal immigrants could help reduce overall costs for those who buy into health exchange plans, the lawmakers said.

    The Democrats' letters, however, do not issue ultimatums or threaten to withhold support for the bills if their requests aren't met.

    The National Council of La Raza launched its own "flood their voice mail" campaign last week to put pressure on Mr. Baucus to expand coverage in his proposal to include all legal immigrants and to drop verification language in the legislation that would prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining coverage.

    Mr. Honda told The Washington Times that he's not pushing for illegal immigrants to gain access to taxpayer-subsidized benefits. "That's an argument that's been done already," he said.

    Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican, said proposals that include government coverage for illegal immigrants leave him incredulous.

    "If anybody can, with a straight face, advocate that we should provide health insurance for people who broke into our country, broke our law and for the most part are criminals, I don't know where they ever would draw the line," he said.

    Mr. King, who opposes Democrats' health care plans in general, said illegal immigrant access in legislation "would be a poison pill that would cause health care to go down" to defeat.

    Twenty-nine Democrats signed on to the letter on legal immigrants, while 21 signed the letter on covering illegal immigrants. Although the leadership of the Congressional Black Caucus signed the legal-immigrant letter in their capacity as CBC officials, they signed the other letter as individual members of Congress.

    Under the 1996 welfare law overhaul, Congress restricted most federal benefits to longtime holders of green cards - those who have been in the country at least five years.

    But Democrats chipped away at that rule when they reauthorized the State Children's Health Insurance Program earlier this year and allowed states to cover all immigrant children and pregnant women, regardless of how long they've been in the country.

    In their letter, the Democrats said health care costs are much lower for legal immigrants than for native citizens.

    "Immigrants are part of our families, our communities, our economy, and contribute to the fabric of America," they wrote. "It is simply wrong that their taxes would pay for public health insurance programs to which they are not allowed access."

     
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    Not illegal, "undocumented".

    Parsing 101
     
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    I don't understand.  If someone self identifies themselves as an illegal alien by signing up to "pay their own way", why aren't they being deported?  Sure, let them pay their own way so they don't remain uninsured seems to make sense, but if they admit to being illegal, I don't care if they remain uninsured...in another country.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to didn't see this coming........ : I really don't see that ever happening.  Do you have a reliable link or source?
    Posted by giraffe-77[/QUOTE]

    Next stupid question...........
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : Yes I agree, Either that or do away with the law that makes them illegal. Then we can become U.C.W.  United Countries of World. "Where H{=LL did we fail". Maybe who we keep electing . OUT in 2010
    Posted by howiewho[/QUOTE]

    Well, ya'll kinda hit the 'ol nail on the head, now the argument will be "let's make 'em all legal, then they'll be able to pay for healthcare AND thay'll gladly pay taxes too, cost issue fixed".

    Think I'm kidding?  This is not all about healthcare, it's about amnesty and the next election cycle.  

    You heard it hear first........ 
     
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    For agruments sake.. I'm Pedro from Mexico..

    I have the choice of either identifying myself to the federal government as an illegal AND paying for insurance (nevermind the potential of poorer care and long waits)

    .. OR.. just stay under the radar and suuck dry the ER for.. free.

    Doiii

    This was a surprise.. I thought the MEssiah would complete HC and then whack us with this expensive kumbaya ploy.

    He's more dangerous than I thought.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : Well, ya'll kinda hit the 'ol nail on the head, now the argument will be "let's make 'em all legal, then they'll be able to pay for healthcare AND thay'll gladly pay taxes too, cost issue fixed". Think I'm kidding?  This is not all about healthcare, it's about amnesty and the next election cycle.   You heard it hear first........ 
    Posted by dazydo[/QUOTE]

    I don't believe this proposal will go through nor do I believe they'll make all illegal's legal. But for arguments sake, if they did make them legal they would neither have to pay for health care (or at least not much) nor would they pay taxes towards it. Illegal's typically don't make enough to be taxed at the federal level. And since they make very little their health care will more than likely be heavily subsidized by middle and upper classes.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : Next stupid question...........
    Posted by dazydo[/QUOTE]

    Hey.  I politely asked a legit question and it was answered (twice).  What's so stupid about that?  Or are you just trying to stir up hard feelings over nothing?
     
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    You people are missing the boat on this whole thing.  We should absolutely give free health insurance to illegal aliens.  It's the smart and cost effective thing to do.

    Every illegal alien should be invited into our system....  Under my plan though, any illegal who actually uses the coverage will be deported.

    I'm learning something from this President and this Dem run Congress...every day.  To beat them, you must think like them. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : Nancy Pelosie said in a round about way several times that everyone should be covered, then "no One" would have to go to E.R. "Public Option". This would not go into effect (trigger) until  2013, after elections (politics) "win,win"
    Posted by howiewho[/QUOTE]

    I'm waiting until the final proposal before I pass judgement.  Till then, this is all moot.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : Well, ya'll kinda hit the 'ol nail on the head, now the argument will be "let's make 'em all legal, then they'll be able to pay for healthcare AND thay'll gladly pay taxes too, cost issue fixed". Think I'm kidding?  This is not all about healthcare, it's about amnesty and the next election cycle.   You heard it hear first........ 
    Posted by dazydo[/QUOTE]

    They pay taxes, genius.  Better yet, they don't get to collect medicare or SSI. 
     
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    dazydo,

    What's your problem with illegal aliens paying their own way for insurance?  Do you prefer they show up at ER in an emmergency and YOU pay for it?

    I absolutely want everybody in the country to have insurance. As a country, we are only responsible for our legal population, so we have a moral obligation with insuring affordability only for our legal residents.  So, of course, we ought not partially subsidize the insurance of anybody illegally here.  But, them buying it on their own, and anything we can do to facilitate them bying it on tehir own is only smart.

    The problem is this knee-jerk reaction.  People do not think anymore.   Goverment sponsored EXCHANGE, is nothing more than an eBAY for bying health insurance.  Buying something through eBay does not mean that Paypal is giving anything.
     
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    [QUOTE]dazydo, What's your problem with illegal aliens paying their own way for insurance?  Do you prefer they show up at ER in an emmergency and YOU pay for it? I absolutely want everybody in the country to have insurance. As a country, we are only responsible for our legal population, so we have a moral obligation with insuring affordability only for our legal residents.  So, of course, we ought not partially subsidize the insurance of anybody illegally here.  But, them buying it on their own, and anything we can do to facilitate them bying it on tehir own is only smart. The problem is this knee-jerk reaction.  People do not think anymore.   Goverment sponsored EXCHANGE, is nothing more than an eBAY for bying health insurance.  Buying something through eBay does not mean that Paypal is giving anything.
    Posted by Charles2008[/QUOTE]

    Um, Charles and MT, what part of "illegal" don't you understand, it's the crux of this whole issue.  Dems want to give them amnesty, this is the real argument here, not whether the HC industry needs reform.

    Why don't you admit it, call me a racist, and stop the BS.  These folks are here illegally, MT you are spouting facts that you don't back up (big surprise there),
    aned Charles, you say we have a responsibility to our legal population, you just made my point.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: didn't see this coming........ : They pay taxes, genius.  Better yet, they don't get to collect medicare or SSI. 
    Posted by movingtarget2[/QUOTE]

    Illegals pay taxes?? Come up to Lawrence and I'll introduce you to the 3rd world.

    I'd suggest you come packin but Dems are against the 2nd ammendment.
     
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    [QUOTE]You people are missing the boat on this whole thing.  We should absolutely give free health insurance to illegal aliens.  It's the smart and cost effective thing to do. Every illegal alien should be invited into our system....  Under my plan though, any illegal who actually uses the coverage will be deported. I'm learning something from this President and this Dem run Congress...every day.  To beat them, you must think like them. 
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]

    Soo cruel !!
    Lets fly them in.. first class... to CHICAGO!! 
    Why we make them suffer to be stuffed into trucks while they invade our country and consume our resources without giving anything back.. How inhumane !

    Do the airlines serve tacos and margaritas? They better or we won't bail them out.. again.
     
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    What's your problem with illegal aliens paying their own way for insurance?
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    I don't have a problem with Bret Favre playing for the Vikings.

    Equally on point
     
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    [QUOTE]The Washington Times
    Posted by gabootwo2006[/QUOTE]
     
    Uhhh, giraffe-77 asked for a reliable link or source. But I can understand why you wouldn't want to volunteer that it came from the Moonie-owned-paper.

    [QUOTE]The Washington Times added some fuel to the fire Monday with an article headlined "Liberals seek health-care acess for illegals." Unfortunately, the paper doesn't have the best record of prizing accuracy over politics, especially not when it comes to issues of immigration, and this article continued that tradition.
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    The Times piece also failed to note one other key bit of information: With the White House having come out against this idea, there's almost no way it'll pass. The irony here, actually, is that the Democratic proposals might actually have the effect of making it tougher for illegal immigrants to buy health insurance. Problem is, even though that's what conservatives seem to want, it's not what they want to hear.[/QUOTE]

    Washington Times misleads on healthcare, illegal immigrants

     
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    [QUOTE]  Uhhh, giraffe-77 asked for a reliable link or source. But I can understand why you wouldn't want to volunteer that it came from the Moonie-owned-paper. Washington Times misleads on healthcare, illegal immigrants
    Posted by catmantwo[/QUOTE]

    Just keep believing this is about HC-Reform, fine with me, meanwhile every version of the HC reform bill gets shot down, pay attention much?

    The majority of Americans don't want what's on the table you pin-heads (collectively, all of you!), don't you get it?  Oh, yeah, and I love the one about illegals paying taxes, SSI, and medicare, that's a good one, hahahahaha!

     
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    Does this Congress or White House really care what the majority of Americans want or dont want? Doesn't look it to me.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: reliable link or source : Just keep believing this is about HC-Reform, fine with me, meanwhile every version of the HC reform bill gets shot down, pay attention much? The majority of Americans don't want what's on the table you pin-heads (collectively, all of you!), don't you get it?  Oh, yeah, and I love the one about illegals paying taxes, SSI, and medicare, that's a good one, hahahahaha!
    Posted by dazydo[/QUOTE]

    When you say things like "you pin-heads (collectively, all of you)"  that's when you lose your credibility.  Take my advise or not, but your arrogant attitude is weakening your cause.  I don't have any more "stupid questions".
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: reliable link or source : When you say things like "you pin-heads (collectively, all of you)"  that's when you lose your credibility.  Take my advise or not, but your arrogant attitude is weakening your cause.  I don't have any more "stupid questions".
    Posted by giraffe-77[/QUOTE]

    Sort of like when people like you bring up the race card where it doesn't belong?!?
     

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