Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

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    Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

    W is back championing a GOP relook at immigration reform.  On a side note if Romney (27%) had carried the Latino vote like W (44%) he would have won, never mind the war on women problem.

    I think the GOP intends to own the new immigration legislation.

     

    Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

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    CNN's Kevin Liptak

    (CNN) – Former President George W. Bush, who presided over the last attempt to pass comprehensive immigration reform in 2007, reiterated his belief Tuesday that immigrants are a beneficial and integral part of the American way of life.

    "Immigrants come with new skills and new ideas. They fill a critical gap in our labor market. They work hard for a chance at a better life," Bush said in a short speech at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. He was speaking ahead of an event sponsored by the George W. Bush Institute spotlighting the positive economic impact of immigration.

    In his remarks, Bush praised immigrants as helping "build the nation we have become," saying they will also help "build a dynamic tomorrow."

    "Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our soul," he said. "America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time."

    Bush's remarks came nearly a month after the 2012 presidential election, which saw GOP nominee Mitt Romney receive only 27% of the Latino vote, compared to 71% who went for President Barack Obama. That's a dip in Latino support for the Republican candidate from 2008, when 31% of Latinos went for Sen. John McCain. It's a major drop from 2004, when 44% of Latinos supported Bush.

    In his final term as president, Bush championed a comprehensive immigration reform measure that would have combined tighter border security rules with a temporary guest worker program. He was unable to garner enough support from members of his own party in the Senate, however, and the bill went down in defeat before making it to his desk.

     
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    His backing probably hurts the effort more than anything.  And while I am sure there are plenty of GOPers who could be persuaded to get behind a bill, many of their constituents would call for their heads if they did.  Furthermore all the money men backing the GOP PACs and dark money groups will sink the effort with promises of primary challenges for those who stray from the reservation. 

     
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    The only immigration reform legislation that the GOP intends to own is one that includes building an electrified moat around the country.

     
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    In one instance these 22 million are taking our jobs but in the other they have to be supported for life because they are all on welfare.  Strange. 

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    In one instance these 22 million are taking our jobs but in the other they have to be supported for life because they are all on welfare.  Strange.



    And that's when they're not busy voting

     

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    It takes them forever to vote, since they do it 4 times each.

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:
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    In one instance these 22 million are taking our jobs but in the other they have to be supported for life because they are all on welfare.  Strange. 

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    I suspect there are very few of them actually working but isn't stealing even one Americans livelihood one too much? .. or maybe America first doesn't fly with you.

     

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    Your suspicions (and estimates) are wrong.  Most do indeed work...because that's why they're here in the first place, moron.

    And "america first" is just a slogan for people without imaginations.  Try thinking instead.  It's better for you.

     

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    So there are more illegals that STEAL jobs from Americans than illegals that sponge off the rest of us? Thanks !

    I assume youhave zero problem with these criminals taking work away from people who were born here....

    If we don't adopt America first.. we won't exist.

    It's simply not feasible that we support everyone.

    Mathematically impossible.

    Morally wrong.

    We have no responsibility for other nations and people... or is this another Obama socialist  first

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    It's not stealing if it's given away, brainiac.  They are HIRED to do jobs that other americans either can't or won't do.  That's a hard fact you'd better learn, because your whole faulty argument rests upon it.

    And it's not "support", either.  It's hotel rooms being cleaned, fruit being picked, children being nannied, etc.  Check the news, dumbazz...fruit is quite literally rotting in the fields in states where migrant laborers have been forced or scared out.  They can't even get prison labor to do the work...because they don't know how to pick fruit!!

    Why do you think the GOPers are now throwing themselves at the mercy of Latino americans everywhere??  Because they know that these workers and their kids are here to stay and represent the Future Of America.

    Your idea of "responsibility" seems to topple when either muslim countries or russia or china or israel is involved, doesn't it...?

    What will you do when the country has a majority of "minorities", and white people become the "new" minority...??!

     

     

     
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    Hey Oh No, maybe if you spent more time working and less time surfing the web, you wouldn't feel so threatened by illegals.

    Poor, Poor Oh No.  Hates the government and wants the country is be 100% free market, except when it comes to illegals.  He wants the Government to keep foreigners out of the labor market.

    The whole illegal immigrant issue is the ultimate hypocrital issue for the righties who worship Free Markets and abhor unions.  Being against Illegal Immigrants is like union members being against non-union labor.  And how can you advocate for Free Markets as you advocate for closed Labor Markets?  A true believer in Free Markets would want to see the borders completely open.

    So stop with the Free Market Worship as long as you rail against illegals.  Because doing so makes you a hypocrite.

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:
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    In one instance these 22 million are taking our jobs but in the other they have to be supported for life because they are all on welfare.  Strange. 

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    Yes, it is strange that progressives never question the legitimacy of either activity.

    After all, it's not illegal, to be, illegal, in Massachusetts.

     
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    Re: Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    So there are more illegals that STEAL jobs from Americans than illegals that sponge off the rest of us? Thanks !

    I assume youhave zero problem with these criminals taking work away from people who were born here....

    If we don't adopt America first.. we won't exist.

    It's simply not feasible that we support everyone.

    Mathematically impossible.

    Morally wrong.

    We have no responsibility for other nations and people... or is this another Obama socialist  first

    [/QUOTE]

    It's not stealing if it's given away, brainiac.  They are HIRED to do jobs that other americans either can't or won't do.  That's a hard fact you'd better learn, because your whole faulty argument rests upon it.

    And it's not "support", either.  It's hotel rooms being cleaned, fruit being picked, children being nannied, etc.  Check the news, dumbazz...fruit is quite literally rotting in the fields in states where migrant laborers have been forced or scared out.  They can't even get prison labor to do the work...because they don't know how to pick fruit!!

    Why do you think the GOPers are now throwing themselves at the mercy of Latino americans everywhere??  Because they know that these workers and their kids are here to stay and represent the Future Of America.

    Your idea of "responsibility" seems to topple when either muslim countries or russia or china or israel is involved, doesn't it...?

    What will you do when the country has a majority of "minorities", and white people become the "new" minority...??!

     

     

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    The GOP realizes that the US's immigration policy and enforcement is broken and that they need to be a player for reform.  Reform will address who is here due to a broken system and then how we try to fix the system again.   

    It will be Reagan reduxe again.  The GOP STEM immigration bill is a great start as we need to encourage people with skills to stay.  We also need to have a realistic plan for others who want to come here for the dream of a better life; but we need it to be realistic in terms of quota's in terms how we can realistically absorb immigration.  One test should be can the individual support themselves.

    We can't continue to take on all the burdens of the world and survive as a free market country.

     
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    Re: Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    So there are more illegals that STEAL jobs from Americans than illegals that sponge off the rest of us? Thanks !

    I assume youhave zero problem with these criminals taking work away from people who were born here....

    If we don't adopt America first.. we won't exist.

    It's simply not feasible that we support everyone.

    Mathematically impossible.

    Morally wrong.

    We have no responsibility for other nations and people... or is this another Obama socialist  first

    [/QUOTE]

    It's not stealing if it's given away, brainiac.  They are HIRED to do jobs that other americans either can't or won't do.  That's a hard fact you'd better learn, because your whole faulty argument rests upon it.

    And it's not "support", either.  It's hotel rooms being cleaned, fruit being picked, children being nannied, etc.  Check the news, dumbazz...fruit is quite literally rotting in the fields in states where migrant laborers have been forced or scared out.  They can't even get prison labor to do the work...because they don't know how to pick fruit!!

    Why do you think the GOPers are now throwing themselves at the mercy of Latino americans everywhere??  Because they know that these workers and their kids are here to stay and represent the Future Of America.

    Your idea of "responsibility" seems to topple when either muslim countries or russia or china or israel is involved, doesn't it...?

    What will you do when the country has a majority of "minorities", and white people become the "new" minority...??!

     

     

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    The GOP realizes that the US's immigration policy and enforcement is broken and that they need to be a player for reform.  Reform will address who is here due to a broken system and then how we try to fix the system again.   

    It will be Reagan reduxe again.  The GOP STEM immigration bill is a great start as we need to encourage people with skills to stay.  We also need to have a realistic plan for others who want to come here for the dream of a better life; but we need it to be realistic in terms of quota's in terms how we can realistically absorb immigration.  One test should be can the individual support themselves.

    We can't continue to take on all the burdens of the world and survive as a free market country.

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    The standard postion for all Americans should be, and needs to be, based on two things, as we can afford to do so:

    1) People who can add to our economy, (i.e. fill needed jobs, bring needed companies in)

    2) people who are in threat of life (politically, religious)

    Everyone else, don't let them in, kick them out if they are already here.

     
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    Re: Former President Bush jumps back into immigration debate

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
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    The GOP realizes that the US's immigration policy and enforcement is broken and that they need to be a player for reform.  Reform will address who is here due to a broken system and then how we try to fix the system again.   

    It will be Reagan reduxe again.  The GOP STEM immigration bill is a great start as we need to encourage people with skills to stay.  We also need to have a realistic plan for others who want to come here for the dream of a better life; but we need it to be realistic in terms of quota's in terms how we can realistically absorb immigration.  One test should be can the individual support themselves.

    We can't continue to take on all the burdens of the world and survive as a free market country.

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    A few generalities in this post.

    The GOP "realizes...their need to be a player in immigration reform" only because they had their keisters handed to them by nearly a 3-to-1 ratio.  Their rhetoric prior to November was not only inflammatory, it was insulting and thoroughly degrading (see: no mo o's "animals" remark for downstream examples).

    The "system" and "enforcement" are two quite different paradigms.  Both require adequate funding, and I reckon neither has got what they need. So then, is it any surprise that when we're swearing in one, that two or three slip around the back?   The former needs a robust bureaucracy/process to keep tabs; the latter needs firm-yet-fair personnel to uphold the peace.  

    "all the burdens of the world" is pretty vague...can you narrow it down a smidge?  6 Billion people in the world, and we have ~330 million.  Let's not overstate things.

    And it should be understood that undocumented workers are nearly always "self-supporting" by their ineligibility for direct public aid.  They may rely heavily upon family and friends, but everyone does.  

     

     
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