HOUSE PASSES BILL TO RESTORE HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES CANCELED UNDER OBAMACARE

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    HOUSE PASSES BILL TO RESTORE HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES CANCELED UNDER OBAMACARE

    A day after President Obama decreed insurance companies could renew millions of policies canceled under ObamaCare, the House passes its own 'fix,' 261-157 — which includes 39 Democrats who crossed over to support the measure.

    The rest of the dems, Obamacare program they will defend forever. To admit it's not good for the country would be to admit that big government is not good. Therefore, liberalism is not good. 

     

     

     
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    A day after President Obama decreed insurance companies could renew millions of policies canceled under ObamaCare, the House passes its own 'fix,' 261-157 — which includes 39 Democrats who crossed over to support the measure.

    The rest of the dems, Obamacare program they will defend forever. To admit it's not good for the country would be to admit that big government is not good. Therefore, liberalism is not good. 

     

     

    [/QUOTE] B I N G O , THAT  !!!!


     
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    Correct headline:  House Votes to Repeal ACA For the 47th Time.

     
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    Correct headline:  House votes to repeal really poorly thought out, poorly implemented, overly complex, partisan, and embarrasing law for the 47th time.

     
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    Correct headline:  House votes to repeal really poorly thought out, poorly implemented, overly complex, partisan, and embarrasing law for the 47th time.

    [/QUOTE]B I N G O , THAT !!!


     
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    Correct headline:  House Votes to Repeal ACA For the 47th Time.

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    And if you, or the democrats, had any sense, you would be for repeal.

    Just look at the mess!

    the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out the difference between book smart and street smart.

     

     
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    Correct headline:  House Votes to Repeal ACA For the 47th Time.

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    And if you, or the democrats, had any sense, you would be for repeal.

    Just look at the mess!

    the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out the difference between book smart and street smart.

     

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    "the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out".....................

    that he`s a an incompetent dolt, makes Bush look like Einstein and Carter look like he had balls.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     
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    Correct headline:  House Votes to Repeal ACA For the 47th Time.

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    And if you, or the democrats, had any sense, you would be for repeal.

    Just look at the mess!

    the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out the difference between book smart and street smart.

     

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    "the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out".....................

    that he`s a an incompetent dolt, makes Bush look like Einstein and Carter look like he had balls.

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    Shhh...the progressives think he's the smartest guy to ever Grace the White House.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

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    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

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    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

     
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    This move by Obama is just going to be adding gas to the fire. Rather than changing the law, he is saying that they are not going to enforce the law for a year. That means that the former plans which were cancelled are still illegal, but you have to trust a President who just lied through his teeth about Obamacare that he isn't gooing to change his mind, And for sure some dooooshbag will think of a reason to sue them for some supposed grievance.

    Somehow I think highly risk advers insurance companies are not going to just roll over and say "Yes Mr. Pres.we believe you when you say you are not going to prosecute us for offering an illegal insurance plan."

    This is just a big ol' mess brought to you by drunk with power libruls.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

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    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

     
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    Correct headline:  House Votes to Repeal ACA For the 47th Time.

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    And if you, or the democrats, had any sense, you would be for repeal.

    Just look at the mess!

    the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out the difference between book smart and street smart.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    "the smartest man ever to be in the White House just found out".....................

    that he`s a an incompetent dolt, makes Bush look like Einstein and Carter look like he had balls.

    [/QUOTE]

    Shhh...the progressives think he's the smartest guy to ever Grace the White House.

    [/QUOTE]


    Yes I know.  They also think the calculated, coordinated, terrorist attack in Benghazi was caused by 723 views of a youtube video, The IRS targeting conservative groups was a mere coincidence, the economy is good, the Tea Party is evil, and the 51.8 million people that voted for an incompetent are educated and informed.

    They also think (as I just witnessed by watching some lying-fool pundit on CNN) that this DISASTER known as Obamacare is going to work.  I just watched some idiot say that "January 1st this will all go away as millions of people will be able to go the doctor"  Huh? 5 MILLION people canceled so far. 100,000 (really-26,000) signed up.........yet, "millions of people will love it in January"????????

    "Progressives" are delusional.

     
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    Yes, everything is going to be fine.  (Eye roll)   What a disaster!

     

     

    UnitedHealth drops thousands of doctors from insurance plans: WSJ Reuters   

     

    (Reuters) - UnitedHealth Group <UNH.N>dropped thousands of doctors from its networks in recent weeks, leaving many elderly patients unsure whether they need to switch plans to continue seeing their doctors, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

    The insurer said in October that underfunding of Medicare Advantage plans for the elderly could not be fully offset by the company's other healthcare business. The company also reported spending more healthcare premiums on medical claims in the third quarter, due mainly to government cuts to payments for Medicare Advantage services.

    The Journal report said that doctors in at least 10 states were notified of being laid off the plans, some citing "significant changes and pressures in the healthcare environment." According to the notices, the terminations can be appealed within 30 days.

    Tyler Mason, a UnitedHealth spokesperson, was not immediately available for comment when reached by Reuters.

    The insurer told the WSJ that its provider networks were always changing and that it expected its Medicare Advantage network to be 85 percent to 90 percent of its current size by the end of 2014.

    UnitedHealth is participating in about a dozen new state insurance markets that launched on October 1 to offer subsidized health coverage under President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul.

    The insurer said previously it planned to withdraw from some markets in 2014 because of the government funding cuts.

    Another top health insurer, Aetna Inc <AET.N>, also warned in October that it expected slowing growth in 2014 in its Medicare Advantage plans.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

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    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

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    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

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    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

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    No.

    Obama said he was not going to enforce the law that forced insurance companies to cancel policies. The law is not changed.

    So if an insurance company  renews a policy that it cancelled it is an illegal policy. They are relying on the word of an admitted liar that he is not going to enforce the law. They are taking on risks of lawsuits.

     

     

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.



    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

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    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

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    The plans are illegal.  Obama has NOT removed the regulations that prohibit the plans.  He can't.  that would be unconsittutional.  Even he knows that.

    That's why Obama needed to declare he wouldn't PROSECUTE companies that offered them for a year.  Read this.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

    Look, I know it is tough to admit that the era of Big Government, that apparently you see as the solution, is not working.  

    It might take a while, but it seems you are on the verge of waking up and seeing how you have been tricked into beleiving this progressive nonsense.  The last step is clinging to the lie you have been sold, while the people (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, to name a few) who sold you that lie kicks you in the teeth, and admits it was all a lie.  They skate, you get left holding the bag.

    That's where we are.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

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    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No.

    Obama said he was not going to enforce the law that forced insurance companies to cancel policies. The law is not changed.

    So if an insurance company  renews a policy that it cancelled it is an illegal policy. They are relying on the word of an admitted liar that he is not going to enforce the law. They are taking on risks of lawsuits.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    OK, that's a fair point.

    So if the mantra from the right is that insurance companies won't enter into a technically illegal policy, and there is a legislative fix - say the Senate approves the Upton amendment, but strikes the ability to sign up new policy holders.  Then it passes the House as amended, but the insurance carriers decide not to bring back the old policies.  Would that prove it was more a business decision than a consequence of new regulation?

     

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

     

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

    [/QUOTE]

    The plans are illegal.  Obama has NOT removed the regulations that prohibit the plans.  He can't.  that would be unconsittutional.  Even he knows that.

    That's why Obama needed to declare he wouldn't PROSECUTE companies that offered them for a year.  Read this.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

    Look, I know it is tough to admit that the era of Big Government, that apparently you see as the solution, is not working.  

    It might take a while, but it seems you are on the verge of waking up and seeing how you have been tricked into beleiving this progressive nonsense.  The last step is clinging to the lie you have been sold, while the people (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, to name a few) who sold you that lie kicks you in the teeth, and admits it was all a lie.  They skate, you get left holding the bag.

    That's where we are.

    [/QUOTE]

    Big Government would be single-payer, which would be my preference, but Obamacare is much better than status quo.  Health care is about 1% as complicated as Health Insurance.  It's these useless middlemen who do nothing, make nothing, and exist only to take our money that have destroyed the US Health Care system.  They are the reason a five-minute ambulance ride costs $8K.  They are the reason health care costs have risen 10% every year for decades.  They are the reason I am paying $20K for a handful of well visits and a couple bottles of anti-biotics for my family each year.  That's where we are.  That's the bag we're holding.  You always seem to forget the sh1tstorm that was the US health care / insurance system prior to ACA.  And then you usually follow it up by calling somebody blind or asleep.

     

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

     

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

    [/QUOTE]

    The plans are illegal.  Obama has NOT removed the regulations that prohibit the plans.  He can't.  that would be unconsittutional.  Even he knows that.

    That's why Obama needed to declare he wouldn't PROSECUTE companies that offered them for a year.  Read this.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

    Look, I know it is tough to admit that the era of Big Government, that apparently you see as the solution, is not working.  

    It might take a while, but it seems you are on the verge of waking up and seeing how you have been tricked into beleiving this progressive nonsense.  The last step is clinging to the lie you have been sold, while the people (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, to name a few) who sold you that lie kicks you in the teeth, and admits it was all a lie.  They skate, you get left holding the bag.

    That's where we are.

    [/QUOTE]

    Big Government would be single-payer, which would be my preference, but Obamacare is much better than status quo.  Health care is about 1% as complicated as Health Insurance.  It's these useless middlemen who do nothing, make nothing, and exist only to take our money that have destroyed the US Health Care system.  They are the reason a five-minute ambulance ride costs $8K.  They are the reason health care costs have risen 10% every year for decades.  They are the reason I am paying $20K for a handful of well visits and a couple bottles of anti-biotics for my family each year.  That's where we are.  That's the bag we're holding.  You always seem to forget the sh1tstorm that was the US health care / insurance system prior to ACA.  And then you usually follow it up by calling somebody blind or asleep.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    You used to sound reasonable for a liberal.  now, you just sound delusional.

    Do you really think government can do better than a free and open market?  Read some Adam Smith.  He called that BS three hundred years ago.  He's still right.

    The reason you are paying $20K (which you are not) is not because it really cost $1,000, and the insurance companies are walking away with $19,000.  They are not.

    There are several factors in play, and at a high level, recognize that high quality medicine is expensive.  A couple to consider:  

    Being able to walk into a hospital and get "fixed" for just about anything costs money.  The infrastructure to deliver this "on demand" nature of our healthcare cost money, lots of money.

    ALL regulation cost money.  there is a healthy amount of regulation, and we should be accepting of that cost.  There is an overburden of regulation in the healthcare system.  That drives costs up beyond where they should be.  Example: mandating birth control, mandating Drs ask if you have guns in the house.  Just stupid stuff, and there is a lot of it.

    Besides, you don't really think costs will go down with healthcare being run out of the government?  Look at Canada, Look At England.  They are moving away from socialized medicine, becausee after several decades of doing so, they have come to a startling conclusion:

    It doesn't work.

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

     

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

    [/QUOTE]

    The plans are illegal.  Obama has NOT removed the regulations that prohibit the plans.  He can't.  that would be unconsittutional.  Even he knows that.

    That's why Obama needed to declare he wouldn't PROSECUTE companies that offered them for a year.  Read this.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

    Look, I know it is tough to admit that the era of Big Government, that apparently you see as the solution, is not working.  

    It might take a while, but it seems you are on the verge of waking up and seeing how you have been tricked into beleiving this progressive nonsense.  The last step is clinging to the lie you have been sold, while the people (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, to name a few) who sold you that lie kicks you in the teeth, and admits it was all a lie.  They skate, you get left holding the bag.

    That's where we are.

    [/QUOTE]

    Big Government would be single-payer, which would be my preference, but Obamacare is much better than status quo.  Health care is about 1% as complicated as Health Insurance.  It's these useless middlemen who do nothing, make nothing, and exist only to take our money that have destroyed the US Health Care system.  They are the reason a five-minute ambulance ride costs $8K.  They are the reason health care costs have risen 10% every year for decades.  They are the reason I am paying $20K for a handful of well visits and a couple bottles of anti-biotics for my family each year.  That's where we are.  That's the bag we're holding.  You always seem to forget the sh1tstorm that was the US health care / insurance system prior to ACA.  And then you usually follow it up by calling somebody blind or asleep.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    You used to sound reasonable for a liberal.  now, you just sound delusional.

    Do you really think government can do better than a free and open market?  Read some Adam Smith.  He called that BS three hundred years ago.  He's still right.

    The reason you are paying $20K (which you are not) is not because it really cost $1,000, and the insurance companies are walking away with $19,000.  They are not.

    There are several factors in play, and at a high level, recognize that high quality medicine is expensive.  A couple to consider:  

    Being able to walk into a hospital and get "fixed" for just about anything costs money.  The infrastructure to deliver this "on demand" nature of our healthcare cost money, lots of money.

    ALL regulation cost money.  there is a healthy amount of regulation, and we should be accepting of that cost.  There is an overburden of regulation in the healthcare system.  That drives costs up beyond where they should be.  Example: mandating birth control, mandating Drs ask if you have guns in the house.  Just stupid stuff, and there is a lot of it.

    Besides, you don't really think costs will go down with healthcare being run out of the government?  Look at Canada, Look At England.  They are moving away from socialized medicine, becausee after several decades of doing so, they have come to a startling conclusion:

    It doesn't work.

    [/QUOTE]

    First off, insurance isn't a good example of the free market, because the laws of supply and demand don't exist.  It's all a gamble.  Unless you know your future, you have no way of knowing which plan is right for you.  No way of knowing how high a deductible is accceptable, or if prescription co-pays are more important than office visits, or emergency care.  And insurance costs being what they are, most people have to make some sort of cost benefit analysis, which again is impossible to do.

    Secondly, I've had my policy for five years, and this is the last year.  My family never had an ER visit, or serious illness during the life of the policy - all well visits and the occasional virus or infection.  So yes, the insurance company walked away with tens of thousands of dollars.  And it was private insurance, so I paid every dime.  I would have been far, far better off paying out of pocket, but of course there was no way to know that at the time.

    Your complaints about regulation extend to insurance carriers.  What is an insurance company if not a beureaucracy standing between you and your medical provider?  The administrative costs incurred by doctor's offices would be far lower under a government-run system, at least for basic care.

    If you look at Canada, you will see that they spend far less per-capita on health care than we do in the US, and everybody is covered.  There will always be issues with any health care system, because it is a complicated issue.  

     

     
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    The smart thing to do if your Obama is let it pass.  Insurance companies aren't going to offer these plans any more - it had nothing to do with regulation; they need young & healthies on the bronze plans - not the cheap-o high deductible plans, especially since they can jump over to the bronze plan at any time if something goes wrong.

    That would really drive home the point that nobody seems to acknowledge - there's nothing in the ACA that forced these plans out of existence.  It was a business decision by the insurance carriers.  

     

     

     



    Nothing in Obamacare that forces these plans out of existence?

     

     

     

    other than:

    not offering birth control

    not offering maternity care

    not offering... Well you get the point.

    Obamacare was DESIGNED to force the cancellation of these plans.

     



    Wrong again oh Washington Generals of Boston.com ....

     

    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
    • Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
    • Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

     https://www.medmutual.com/For-Individuals-and-Families/Health-Insurance-Education/What-Does-Healthcare-Reform-Mean-to-Me/What-Does-Having-Grandfathered-Status-Mean.aspx

    [/QUOTE]

    The regulations written for those grandfathered plans eliminated them.  That's what you miss. So, for the two plans that survived the regulatory gauntlet, these grandfathering rules apply.

    you are clinging to a lie. 

    If it's not a lie, why did Obama have to waive prosecutorial discretion to ALLOW the insurance companies to sell these plans?

    Stop supporting a lie that even Obama admits was a lie.

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, we should find out pretty soon, right?  Now any insurance company who wants to can re-instate their old plan.  So if these plans come flooding back to the market, we know that it was regulation that pushed them out of existence.  And if they don't, we know that it was the insurer's bottom line.

    Fair?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Obama admitted that he lied when he said you could keep your plan.  Get over it.  He did.

    The key progressive toolin their long march towards tyranny  is deceit.

    [/QUOTE]

     

    I don't understand - if the lie was that Obama knew ACA regulations would kill these plans, and he has now removed the regulation, why wouldn't the plans come flooding back into the market?

    Unless [gasp] it wasn't ACA regulation, but bottom lines that drove the mass cancellations. 

    [/QUOTE]

    The plans are illegal.  Obama has NOT removed the regulations that prohibit the plans.  He can't.  that would be unconsittutional.  Even he knows that.

    That's why Obama needed to declare he wouldn't PROSECUTE companies that offered them for a year.  Read this.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fairy-tale-continues-obama-proposes-extralegal-obamacare-fix_767089.html

    Look, I know it is tough to admit that the era of Big Government, that apparently you see as the solution, is not working.  

    It might take a while, but it seems you are on the verge of waking up and seeing how you have been tricked into beleiving this progressive nonsense.  The last step is clinging to the lie you have been sold, while the people (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, to name a few) who sold you that lie kicks you in the teeth, and admits it was all a lie.  They skate, you get left holding the bag.

    That's where we are.

    [/QUOTE]

    Big Government would be single-payer, which would be my preference, but Obamacare is much better than status quo.  Health care is about 1% as complicated as Health Insurance.  It's these useless middlemen who do nothing, make nothing, and exist only to take our money that have destroyed the US Health Care system.  They are the reason a five-minute ambulance ride costs $8K.  They are the reason health care costs have risen 10% every year for decades.  They are the reason I am paying $20K for a handful of well visits and a couple bottles of anti-biotics for my family each year.  That's where we are.  That's the bag we're holding.  You always seem to forget the sh1tstorm that was the US health care / insurance system prior to ACA.  And then you usually follow it up by calling somebody blind or asleep.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    You used to sound reasonable for a liberal.  now, you just sound delusional.

    Do you really think government can do better than a free and open market?  Read some Adam Smith.  He called that BS three hundred years ago.  He's still right.

    The reason you are paying $20K (which you are not) is not because it really cost $1,000, and the insurance companies are walking away with $19,000.  They are not.

    There are several factors in play, and at a high level, recognize that high quality medicine is expensive.  A couple to consider:  

    Being able to walk into a hospital and get "fixed" for just about anything costs money.  The infrastructure to deliver this "on demand" nature of our healthcare cost money, lots of money.

    ALL regulation cost money.  there is a healthy amount of regulation, and we should be accepting of that cost.  There is an overburden of regulation in the healthcare system.  That drives costs up beyond where they should be.  Example: mandating birth control, mandating Drs ask if you have guns in the house.  Just stupid stuff, and there is a lot of it.

    Besides, you don't really think costs will go down with healthcare being run out of the government?  Look at Canada, Look At England.  They are moving away from socialized medicine, becausee after several decades of doing so, they have come to a startling conclusion:

    It doesn't work.

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    First off, insurance isn't a good example of the free market, because the laws of supply and demand don't exist.  It's all a gamble.  Unless you know your future, you have no way of knowing which plan is right for you.  No way of knowing how high a deductible is accceptable, or if prescription co-pays are more important than office visits, or emergency care.  And insurance costs being what they are, most people have to make some sort of cost benefit analysis, which again is impossible to do.

    Secondly, I've had my policy for five years, and this is the last year.  My family never had an ER visit, or serious illness during the life of the policy - all well visits and the occasional virus or infection.  So yes, the insurance company walked away with tens of thousands of dollars.  And it was private insurance, so I paid every dime.  I would have been far, far better off paying out of pocket, but of course there was no way to know that at the time.

    Your complaints about regulation extend to insurance carriers.  What is an insurance company if not a beureaucracy standing between you and your medical provider?  The administrative costs incurred by doctor's offices would be far lower under a government-run system, at least for basic care.

    If you look at Canada, you will see that they spend far less per-capita on health care than we do in the US, and everybody is covered.  There will always be issues with any health care system, because it is a complicated issue.  

     

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    You don't uderstand economics.  I'll try to give you a view into what is going on.

    supply and demand exist everywhere, including the insurance market.  That your future is not specifically foretold, is the "demand" that you are insuring against.  The "supply" are the companies offering to insure you against that risk.

    In a free market, you decide how much and for what you want to insure yourself.

    Your insurance company didn't walk away with tens of thousands of dollars for nothing, they provided you access to hundreds of thousands of dollars, if you needed it.  That costs something.  People like FourtyTwo can tell you how the number, the cost, was arrived at.  Also consider that for whatever pool you are in, not everyone had your experience.  Some people drew on that money heavily, as they should.

    As far as Canada, sure, everyone is covered, but the coverage is cr@p in reality.  I'm not speaking theoretically, I have relatives in Canada.  If they need something beyond an emergency or basic stuff, they come here and pay out of pocket.  Waiting lines are so long, people die from serious diseases instead of having them addressed when they are still resolvable.

    That's what is coming here.

     

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