Michigan leads the nation

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    The corruption and worker abuse that was once isolated in business is now flourishing in unions!

     
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    WSJ:

    A right-to-work law would be good for Michigan because “a flood of economic evidence shows that right-to-work states have done better at attracting investment and jobs than have more heavily unionized states ".

    A West Michigan Policy Forum study shows that of the 10 states with the highest rate of personal income growth, eight have right-to-work laws. That’s helping these states draw in tax payers. Between 2000 and 2010, right-to-work states attracted 5 million people from compulsory union states.

    “As impressive as all of this evidence is, the best case for right to work is moral: the right of an individual to choose,” Journal editors write. “Union chiefs want to coerce workers to join and pay dues that they then funnel to politicians who protect union power. Right to work breaks this cycle of government-aided monopoly union power for the larger economic good.”




     
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    Right-to-exploit states profit by taking jobs from their neighbors. It's a zero-sum game with the workers as the losers.

     
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    Right-to-exploit states profit by taking jobs from their neighbors. It's a zero-sum game with the workers as the losers.

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    I see. So not good to "take" a job from a neighbor but it's a-ok for an illegal immigrant to take one from a LEGAL citizen....gotcha!!!

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    Who made that claim?

     
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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

     
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     Oh, I can think of one place that forces you to join the union. The US Post Office.

     I know because two of my x's brothers worked for them and wished upon all the starts in the sky that they could get out of the union but it is mandatory.

     And what about police and firemen? Are they not also unions?

     Let's not forget about the teacher's union. How can you bring this up in MA and not mention them?

     I do agree that unions have, in the past, made life better for everyone in todays world. I'd hate to think of where we'd be if there weren't any unions, however, it is clear to me that many unions are more interested in power than protecting their workers, and when that happens, it's time to shut down the unions.

     

     
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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

     

     
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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    Care to name a few ?

    ..and the inverse also applies ..?

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    For starters, anything related to food production at the lower skill levels, like picking and processing.  Most large-scale service jobs, like hotel, restaurant and casino workers; custodial; security, etc.  As jobs go, prison guard is a dicey one, at best.

    And yes, the same fallacy that would support unionization for some workers also denies it for others.  The difference lies in the reasoning for allowing certain workforces to amass their concerns on behalf of the whole.  Once those main protective goals and rights are achieved, the union's purpose is for organizing.

    Union membership is at an all-time low in the modern era.  And I think there is a connection between the decline of unions and the precipitous rise in income inequality and the host of societal problems that creates.

     

     
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    At Undead

     

    Who will stand guard over the prevailing wages, safety in your workplace, and a chance for a better life.....your employer whose history shows doesn't have a conscience?

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     
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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

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    You need to get out more and see what unions are really doing!

    hint: they rae not looking out for the workers; they are crooked and killing companies and jobs in many cases!

     
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    Right to Work States Benefit From Faster Growth, Higher Real Purchasing Power – 2011 Update

    Percentage Growth in Non-Farm Private-Sector Employees (2000-2010)

    Right to Work States . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +0.3%
    Forced-Unionism States. . . . . . . . . . . . . . -5.5%
    National Average . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  -3.3%
    Source: Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)

    Percentage Real Growth in Private-Sector Employee Compensation (2000-2010)

    Right to Work States . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.3%
    Forced-Unionism States. . . . . . . . . . . . .  . 0.7%
    (2000-2010) National Average . . . . .  . . . . 4.3%
    BEA; BLS

    Cost of Living-Adjusted Compensation Per Private-Sector Employee (2010)

    Right to Work States . . . . . . . . . . . . . $56,575
    Forced-Unionism States . . . . . . . . . . . $55,420
    National Average . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $55,896
    Missouri Economic Research and Information Center (MERIC);
    BEA; Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census (BOC)

     

     
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    "As jobs go, prison guard is a dicey one, at best."

    California public employee union prison guards:

    $92k base $170k overtime..The pension benefit gives prison guards the same formula as highway patrol officers – retirement at age 50 with 3 percent of their highest annual salary for each year served.

     So, say, 75% of $92k would be $69k pension most likely for another 20+ years.

     The inmates must wonder why they are in jail for stealing, while the prison guards union pays off the Democratic Party to steal from the public treasury at will. 

     

     
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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

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    And their neighborhoods and communities suffer from the worst schools in the nation, the most toxic air, soil and water, the worst roads, the most abject poverty. Not coincidentally, these mudholes are the reddest states in the nation.

     
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    There is significant research that shows 'right-to-work' laws have no postive impact on job creation and in some cases even decreases job opportunities.

    As far as I know, nobody, anywhere, is "forced" to unionize, per state and federal law, and the decision to do so cannot be held against the employee's status of employment.

     

    If anything, some industries could use more unions, not fewer.

     

     

     

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    Right to work states attract large manufacturing jobs.  Why do you think that Toyata, Nissan and BMW have plants in TN and GA.

    Merit based shops reward workers for their work ethic not averaged rewards on an uninitiated workforce.

     
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    At Undead

     

    Who will stand guard over the prevailing wages, safety in your workplace, and a chance for a better life.....your employer whose history shows doesn't have a conscience?

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

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     Actually, Sis, I work for a company that gives me enough to where I don't go looking for a union. In fact, if the workers did unionize, we'd lose more than we could hope to gain.

     This doesn't mean that the company is perfect, it just means that I'm making enough in pay and benefits to where joining a union would actually work against me.

     In some cases, the unions are needed. In many cases, once upon a time they were needed. In many more cases they are no longer needed. Federal laws now cover much of what you're arguing for.

     PS: I'd trust the company a lot more than I'd trust a union. At least with the company you know where the CEO stands. That is not the case with the unions.

     

     
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    Of the ten states with the HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, eight of them are so-called right to work(for less) states already.  They are as follows:  Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona,Tennessee.  They fall in the order of highest to lower poverty rates.

    Thank you Michigan's gop for firing up the democratic base AGAIN and SO SOON!  We won't stand by and watch Michigan freefall to the bottom of that list!

     

    SOLADARITY BROTHERS AND SISTERS of MICHIGAN!

     

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    And their neighborhoods and communities suffer from the worst schools in the nation, the most toxic air, soil and water, the worst roads, the most abject poverty. Not coincidentally, these mudholes are the reddest states in the nation.

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    You really believe these Southern stereotypes spoon fed to you? The "most toxic air"? Really?

    "The most abject poverty" is found in the Northern inner cities ruined by decades of failed  liberal Democratic policies.....Detroit, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago.

    The real mudholes are states like California, Illinois, New York, whose economies are in shambles thanks to liberals looting the public treasury.

    Millions have moved from failed liberal states like California, New York and Illinois, and Massachusetts, to move to places with real economic growth.

    Right to work state like Texas are booming with ambitious Northern transplants, leaving behind snooty public sector liberals who delude themselves with the idea the South is like it was in 1960...

     
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    Right to work states attract large manufacturing jobs.  Why do you think that Toyata, Nissan and BMW have plants in TN and GA.

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    Low wages are another reason.  Big tax breaks are another.

    Both have more of an effect to the company bottom line than the labor unions.

     
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    Right to work states attract large manufacturing jobs.  Why do you think that Toyata, Nissan and BMW have plants in TN and GA.

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    Low wages are another reason.  Big tax breaks are another.

    Both have more of an effect to the company bottom line than the labor unions.

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    It allows them to be competitive in the market is the bottom line!

     

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