New York Gitmo Op Ed.

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    New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    Please check your bias at the door and read this article.

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html

     

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    Liberals better check their  bias in favor of believing terrorists.

    This detainee is a liar.

    Here is the real information about Samir Naji al Hasan Moqbel straight from the Times’ own site.

    "Detainee is a member of al-Qaida who served on Usama Bin Laden’s (UBL) security detail. Detainee admitted fighting on the front lines, is assessed to be a fighter in UBL’s 55th Arab Brigade and is assessed to have participated in hostilities...
    The 55th Arab Brigade served as UBL’s primary battle formation supporting Taliban objectives, with UBL participating closely in the command and control of the brigade.

    Detainee was captured with a group referred to as the Dirty 30, which included UBL bodyguards and a 20th 11 September 2001 hijacker while, escaping hostilities during Operation Enduring Freedom. Detainee received basic and advanced militant training at the al-Qaida al-Faruq Training Camp, and was identified as an al-Qaida guesthouse staff member. Detainee’s name and aliases were found on al-Qaida affiliated documents and he acknowledged he was recruited by known al-Qaida member, Marwan Jawan, who also facilitated his travel to Afghanistan.

    JTF-GTMO determined this detainee to be HIGH risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests, and allies.

    Detainee remains deceptive during interrogations. He admitted lying to his interrogators in previous sessions in which he originally claimed to have traveled to Afghanistan for humanitarian purposes, yet continues to provide vague details regarding his timeline in Afghanistan.

    Senior al-Qaida facilitator Sharqawi Abdu Ali al-Hajj, aka (“Riyadh the Facilitator”), ISN PK9YM-001457DP (YM-1457), identified detainee as an individual who became a security guard for UBL in approximately August 2001. YM-1457 stated, “I know all of the security staff members because I assisted them.”

    Detainee’s name and alias are included on lists of al-Qaida members and their trust accounts found during raids against al-Qaida associated safe houses in Pakistan. The documents identified the contents of detainee’s trust account as a Yemeni passport and ID card.

    Reasons for Continued Detention: Detainee is a member of al-Qaida. Detainee served as a security guard for UBL and is listed on al-Qaida affiliated documents. Detainee is assessed to have participated in hostilities against US and Coalition forces in Tora Bora and was a fighter in UBL’s 55th Arab Brigade....

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    In response to Newtster's comment:

    We have a second amendment - the right to bear arms. That doesn't mean that the right is unrestricted or unregulated.

    If this guy is a liar and the NY Times allows this crapppe to be printed, why shouldn't they be regulated? How about some standards of truth?

    Really, if they knowingly allowed a guy their forum to spew lies, they should be investigated for sedition or something. I am sure someone will educate me as to the fact that it isn't treasonous behavior and maybe they are right. On the other hand, why should they be able to print lies with no accountability?



    It isnt treason, but it is typical of the always-terrorist-coddling NY Times.

     It can print what it wants, at the cost of its own credibility.

    The liberal reaction to the above facts will be to say, "he is innocent until proven guilty of a court of law". 

    Well, then why do we keep prisoners of war captured on the battlefield without trial?

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    Give these people their due process. Either try and convict them, or free them.  Every person has a right to a fair trial under appropriate legal standards.  Its one of the simple foundations that our nation was founded.  Shame on the President for continuing this policy.

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    We have a second amendment - the right to bear arms. That doesn't mean that the right is unrestricted or unregulated. If this guy is a liar and the NY Times allows this crapppe to be printed, why shouldn't they be regulated? How about some standards of truth?

    Just because they're wrong in restricting our 2nd amendment rights doesn't mean that all rights are now on the table. It doesn't matter what we think about the New York Times, they have every right to say what they want to say, right or wrong.

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

     

    Why should the NY Time have the right to print what they know are lies? Why should they have the right to print lies then claim they didn't know because they did not do their job to validate the truth in what they print?

     

    Because regulating political speech of any kind would be disasterous.

    The only antidote for the kind of stupidity that the New York Times showcases on a regular basis is a response that includes facts and logic. Any sort of regulation of the ablity to express opinion leads inexoribly towards totalitarianism.

    So, stop hyperventilating and compose a persuasive response if you want to counter these opinions, that's the only healthy way to do it.

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    If politicians were held to a standard of truth

     

    I understand your friustration but here's the problem. Who gets to define "truth?"

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    Starving to death will sure teach them all a lesson...

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    A darn sight better than torturing them to death, anyway....

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    A darn sight better than torturing them to death, anyway....

     




    SAME SAME

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    A darn sight better than torturing them to death, anyway....


    SAME SAME

     



    Funny...that's what the reports on state-sanctioned torture at gitmo mostly said, too.

     

     

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:


    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    A darn sight better than torturing them to death, anyway....


    SAME SAME

    Funny...that's what the reports on state-sanctioned torture at gitmo mostly said, too. 



    I was referring to the process; torture by starving or physical torture until death.

    both suck!

     
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    Re: New York Gitmo Op Ed.

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:


    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    A darn sight better than torturing them to death, anyway....


    SAME SAME

    Funny...that's what the reports on state-sanctioned torture at gitmo mostly said, too. 

     



    I was referring to the process; torture by starving or physical torture until death.

     

    both suck!



    Well, one is self-inflicted.  The other is not.

    Unlike the latter, the former has actually has enduring results; see: Gandhi, Maze Prison....

     

     

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