no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

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    no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100203076/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-we-dare-not-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

     

    'I am a Socialist,' Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, 'and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow'.

    No one at the time would have regarded it as a controversial statement. The Nazis could hardly have been more open in their socialism, describing themselves with the same terminology as our own SWP: National Socialist German Workers' Party.

    Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry, high tariffs, workers' councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, 'capitalism has run its course'.

    One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn't expect it from mainstream commentators.

     

     

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    Opinions are fun.

    Just like nobody today likes to mention the origins of fundamentalist jihadism in ultra-conservative religious theocracy.

    The neo-cons and mullahs are on the same side of the political spectrum.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    Republicans on Wall Street  financed Hitler:

     

    http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

     

     

    WALL STREET AND
    THE RISE OF HITLER

     

    By
    Antony C. Sutton

     

    TABLE OF CONTENTS

    Preface Introduction

    Unexplored Facets of Naziism

    PART ONE: Wall Street Builds Nazi Industry

    Chapter One

    Wall Street Paves the Way for Hitler

         1924: The Dawes Plan
         1928: The Young Plan
         B.I.S. — The Apex of Control
         Building the German Cartels

    Chapter Two

    The Empire of I.G. Farben

         The Economic Power of I.G. Farben
         Polishing I.G. Farben's Image
         The American I.G. Farben

    Chapter Three

    General Electric Funds Hitler

         General Electric in Weimar, Germany
         General Electric & the Financing of Hitler
         Technical Cooperation with Krupp
         A.E.G. Avoids the Bombs in World War II

    Chapter Four

    Standard Oil Duels World War II

         Ethyl Lead for the Wehrmacht
         Standard Oil and Synthetic Rubber
         The Deutsche-Amerikanische Petroleum A.G.

    Chapter Five

    I.T.T. Works Both Sides of the War

         Baron Kurt von Schröder and I.T.T.
         Westrick, Texaco, and I.T.T.
         I.T.T. in Wartime Germany

    PART TWO: Wall Street and Funds for Hitler

    Chapter Six

    Henry Ford and the Nazis

         Henry Ford: Hitler's First Foreign Banker
         Henry Ford Receives a Nazi Medal
         Ford Assists the German War Effort

    Chapter Seven

    Who Financed Adolf Hitler?

         Some Early Hitler Backers
         Fritz Thyssen and W.A. Harriman Company
         Financing Hitler in the March 1933 Elections
         The 1933 Political Contributions

    Chapter Eight

    Putzi: Friend of Hitler and Roosevelt

         Putzi's Role in the Reichstag Fire
         Roosevelt's New Deal and Hitler's New Order

    Chapter Nine

    Wall Street and the Nazi Inner Circle

         The S.S. Circle of Friends
         I.G. Farben and the Keppler Circle
         Wall Street and the S.S. Circle

    Chapter Ten

    The Myth of "Sidney Warburg"

         Who Was "Sidney Warburg"?
         Synopsis of the Suppressed "Warburg" Book
         James Paul Warbur's Affidavit
         Some Conclusions from the "Warburg" Story

    Chapter Eleven

    Wall Street-Nazi Collaboration in World War II

         American I.G. in World War II
         Were American Industrialists and Financiers
            Guilty of War Crimes?

    Chapter Twelve

    Conclusions

         The Pervasive Influence of International Bankers
         Is the United States Ruled by a Dictatorial Elite?
         The New York Elite as a Subversive Force
         The Slowly Emerging Revisionist Truth

    Appendix A

    Program of the National Socialist German
    Workers Party

    Appendix B

    Affidavit of Hjalmar Schacht

    Appendix C

    Entries in the "National Trusteeship" Account

    Appendix D

    Letter from the U.S. War Department to
    Ethyl Corporation

    Appendix E

    Extract from Morgenthau Diary (Germany)

    Footnotes Bibliography

    Index

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The writer Professor Anthony Sutton was a CONSERVATIVE.

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    Didn't Hitler consolodate power by going after the Communists?

    But if Hitler said it, then it has to be true because if ever there was a throughtful, clear headed leader, it was Hitler.

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    Didn't the Spanish Revolution pit Facists against Socialists?

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    Didn't the Spanish Revolution pit Facists against Socialists?




    Yes.  The socialists were allies of the Loyalists.

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    The left is completely blind to the historical artifact that socialism, i practice, leads to fascism.

    We are well on our way here in the U.S.

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    The left is completely blind to the historical artifact that socialism, i practice, leads to fascism.

    We are well on our way here in the U.S.




    We've been hearing that in this country for over one hundred years but it never happened. In fact the wealth gap between the haves and have nots has increased since the Nixon years.

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    The left is completely blind to the historical artifact that socialism, i practice, leads to fascism.



    If so, then the right is blind to the deleterious effect it's "anti-socialist" policies have had upon american society - including its foundational values of equality, opportunity, and tolerance - as a whole.

    But as I've explained to you previously, America is both socialist AND capitalist at its core.  The question has always been where the balance lies....

     

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to portfilio's comment:

     

    Republicans on Wall Street  financed Hitler:

     http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

     WALL STREET AND
    THE RISE OF HITLER

     By
    Antony C. Sutton

     The writer Professor Anthony Sutton was a CONSERVATIVE.

     



    I know nothing about this book, but I did read the Preface and Introduction, it says nothing about Republicans, it mentions the "Liberal Establishment", though...
    So you dont know what the hell you are talking about, do you?

     

    Preface: "This is the third and final volume of a trilogy describing the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany."

    The author also said this, which you presumably agree with, or not? :

    "The New Deal or the "new economic order" was not a creature of classical liberalism. It was a creature of corporate socialism. Big business as reflected in Wall Street strived for a state order in which they could control industry and eliminate competition, and this was the heart of FDR's New Deal."

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    I think it goes back to his committment to "fundamentally transform America", and his follow through on that pledge with govt intrusion into the private sector, bailouts, govt healthcare overhaul, and bypassing the legislative branch far more insidiously than previous admins. More disregard for the constitution than any I recall as well.  From any perspective I can see, his is the most arrogant, corrupt, dishonest and (last, but not least) incompetent, regime in my lifetime.  Things like "selective enforcement" of laws by his justice dept, use of tens of billions of taxpayer money, to pay off campaign favors, etc.  leads people to envision a dictator, or a monarch, more than a servant of a republic.  While the term "fascist" is a stretch, it's less of a stretch with this guy, than any I've seen before him. 
     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to bald-predictions' comment:

    While the term "fascist" is a stretch, it's less of a stretch with this guy, than any I've seen before him. 


    The problem then is not the term but your rather fuzzy interpretation of it viz. the guy at the top whom you hate so passionately.

    The truth isn't quite as dramatic as you pretend it is.

     

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     "Opinions are fun.

    Just like nobody today likes to mention the origins of fundamentalist jihadism in ultra-conservative religious theocracy.

    The neo-cons and mullahs are on the same side of the political spectrum."

     

    "fundamentalist jihadism in ultra-conservative religious theocracy"

    Hmmmm. Quite a smear...a bit of a stretch, to say the least? Those who believe in a Deity are all fundamentalists, by your logic ...no distinction...so Christians are to blame for Muslim jihadist, because both are 'fundamentalist'?

    Of course, to accept  that categorization , the other side of the political spectrum would have to be the one you presumably are attracted to...the atheists....

     

      Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao....

    The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

    The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianitys worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition....

     
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    Re: no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

    Well, theres always scientology, I guess. If you need to believe, there are many sects that willl happily take your money and your mind. Why limit yourself to a political ideology?

     

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