'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

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    'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    If you actually think Obama's EPA is a federal agency that works for you, full of objective federal employees who enforce existing laws and regulations,  think again. It is full of environmental zealots who work and advocate seamlessly with outside extremist groups to destroy the coal industry, prevent fracking and otherwise ruin the American economy in the guise of "saving the planet".

    Hardworking private sector taxpayers pay the salaries of EPA's army of zealots who want to decimate the private sector economy with skyrocketing energy prices....

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/22/emails-show-cozy-relationship-between-epa-environmental-groups-on-keystone-coal/

    Newly disclosed emails suggest senior policy officials at the Environmental Protection Agency and environmental groups are working closely to kill the Keystone XL pipeline, critics say. 

     

    "These damning emails make it clear that the Obama administration has been actively trying to stop this important project for years," Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., who has long advocated for the Canada-to-Texas pipeline's construction, said in a statement to Fox News. 

    The emails were obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request by the Energy and Environment Legal Institute. In one communication, Lena Moffit of the Sierra Club wrote to three senior policy staffers at the EPA, including Michael Goo, who was then the associate administrator for policy. 

    "Thanks so much for taking the time to meet with us on Keystone XL yesterday," she wrote. "Let me know if I can be helpful in any way -- particularly in further identifying those opportunities for EPA to engage that don't involve 'throwing your body across the tracks,' as Michael put it." 

    EELI senior legal fellow Chris Horner told Fox News that as a government agency, EPA couldn't be seen as overtly trying to kill Keystone, but was reaching out to environmental groups for other ideas on how to do it. 

    "On its face," Horner told Fox News, "it smacks of classic secret dealing and an uncomfortably close working relationship and one that is known to these parties, but quite plainly not advertised to the public." 

    Barrasso was less diplomatic. "Despite the fact that Keystone XL has bipartisan support in Congress and from governors, environmental extremists inside and out of the administration are working behind closed doors to kill it," he said. 

    Many EPA staffers -- including Goo -- came from the environmental movement. Goo, who is now at the Department of Energy's policy shop, was with the Natural Resources Defense Council. 

    Horner said many EPA staffers share a policy agenda with environmental groups, a common cause illuminated in the emails his group obtained. 

    "This series of correspondence plainly indicates that you've got an agency that's made up its mind -- working with allies with whom it is ideologically and substantively aligned on this -- trying to find ways to advance their argument without being too obvious about it," Horner told Fox News. 

     President Obama tells us the Keystone Pipeline project is "under review".....yeah, right.

     
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    The Sierra Club lobbies the EPA?....... a shocking revelation!

    Lobbying should be left to the professionals.....like the oil industry.

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

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    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     



    lol fossil fuels

    If it wasn't for Crude oil and refined products you would not have a lap top with solid state instruments and micro-chips, Fiber optics, plastic, paint, any clothes but, cotton and wool, no rubber, and very little modern medicine!!

    that a fact!

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

     



    lol fossil fuels

    If it wasn't for Crude oil and refined products you would not have a lap top with solid state instruments and micro-chips, Fiber optics, plastic, paint, any clothes but, cotton, no rubber, and very little modern medicine!!

    that a fact!




    You might have the vaguest semblence of a point if Matty had said "we should not have ever have used fossil fuels".

    "lol"

     
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    plenty of hypocrite libruls are loving fossil fuels today. they'd be might chilly without them

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    In response to tvoter's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

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    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

     

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    lol fossil fuels

     

    If it wasn't for Crude oil and refined products you would not have a lap top with solid state instruments and micro-chips, Fiber optics, plastic, paint, any clothes but, cotton and wool, no rubber, and very little modern medicine!!

    that a fact!

    [/QUOTE]

    All that's nice.

    But it has nothing to do with the topic...not even a little bit.

    And all of those things can be made without removing the tops of mountains, contaminating well water, releasing excess methane into the atmosphere, choking off waterways and endangering food supply chains.

    If one thinks they should be made with less overall impact to the environment, then the EPA is both necessary and desirable despite its flaws.

     

     

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    If you actually think Obama's EPA is a federal agency that works for you, full of objective federal employees who enforce existing laws and regulations,  think again. It is full of environmental zealots who work and advocate seamlessly with outside extremist groups to destroy the coal industry, prevent fracking and otherwise ruin the American economy in the guise of "saving the planet".

    Hardworking private sector taxpayers pay the salaries of EPA's army of zealots who want to decimate the private sector economy with skyrocketing energy prices....





    Are there any particular regulations of fossil fuels you approve of?

     

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    plenty of hypocrite libruls are loving fossil fuels today. they'd be might chilly without them

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    Also not at all the point, but thanks for playing....

     

     

     
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    The point being the EPA does not work for us, but is a partisan radical advocacy organization within the Government.

    Community organizing on a grander scale.....

    The most recent major scandal, which began unraveling late last year after a federal court ruling, involves former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, who conveniently announced her resignation in late December. The self-styled “most progressive EPA chief in history" was caught, apparently in violation of federal law, using the fake name "Richard Windsor" and a bogus e-mail account to conspire with allies in the establishment media and friendly policymakers. The shady dealings were part of an effort to promote Jackson and the Obama administration’s wildly unconstitutional policies without being exposed to public scrutiny.

    The pseudonym and fake e-mail account scandal, already being called "Windsorgate," was essentially aimed at skirting federal record-keeping laws barring the use of fake names in official government dealings, according to analysts. The other purpose of the unlawful scheme, first uncovered by a researcher at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, was to conceal the lawless EPA boss’s activities from mandatory public and congressional oversight. After a Freedom of Information Act request and a successful lawsuit by CEI, however, the whole plot is slowly coming to light.

    Unsurprisingly, the EPA — created in 1970 by an unconstitutional “executive order” issued by then-President Richard Nixon — is still trying to hide as much of the incriminating evidence as possible using bogus justifications. Among other concerns, the agency has been redacting — blacking out — massive segments of the documents it was forced to release under court order. It flat out refused to release hundreds more.

     
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    Re: 'Secret dealing'? Emails show cozy relationship between EPA, environmental groups

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Horner said many EPA staffers share a policy agenda with environmental groups



     

    Wait. WHOA!

    So the Environmental Protection Agency shares policy goals with Groups formed to Protect the Environment!

    My mind is, like, totally blown...dude...  

     

    Here, I'd have thought the English Professors Union would be their biggest source of lobbying.

     
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    "partisan radical advocacy organization"

    Sounds more like the tee partee who wants to eliminate the agency altogether...

    ...i.e. "radicals" who think the environment only exists for humans to wantonly spoil without any restriction whatsoever.

     

     

     

     
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    Here, I'd have thought the English Professors Union would be their biggest source of lobbying.

    [/QUOTE]

    I know those guys.  Radicals, every one...

    ...trying to impose their correct grammar and mechanics on hard-working, incoherent people who just want to be free to spell and write any dang way they please.

    Just another big govt erosion of our civil liberties and freedomz, y'know.

     

    </sarc off/>

     

     

     
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    Unsurprisingly, the EPA — created in 1970 by an unconstitutional “executive order” issued by then-President Richard Nixon




    Unsurprisingly some people see unconstitutional boogeymen everywhere.

    In 1970, President Richard Nixon proposed an executive reorganization that would consolidate many of the federal government's environmental responsibilities under one agency, a new Environmental Protection Agency. That reorganization proposal was reviewed and passed by the House and Senate.[10]


    If you hold the misinformed idea that something is unconstitutional just because you don't agree with it, then ya think that might cloud your judgement on what the EPA does?

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    Here, I'd have thought the English Professors Union would be their biggest source of lobbying.

    [/QUOTE]

    I know those guys.  Radicals, every one...

    ...trying to impose their correct grammar and mechanics on hard-working, incoherent people who just want to be free to spell and write any dang way they please.

    Just another big govt erosion of our civil liberties and freedomz, y'know.

     

    </sarc off/>

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Those "terrorist act <> "act of terror" police are soooo annoying.

     
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    Forbes:

    "A recent analysis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute estimated that the annual cost of compliance with EPA regulations alone is more than a third of a trillion dollars

    "Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) called attention to a questionable practice of the EPA and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service called “sue and settle,” sometimes referred to as “friendly lawsuits.” According to Sen. Vitter, “sue and settle” is a subterfuge under which “radical environmental groups file lawsuits against a federal agency in a friendly court demanding the agency take action. Rather than allowing the entire process to play out, the Department of Justice and the agency being sued settles [sic] the lawsuit by agreeing to move forward with the requested action. While the environmental group is given a seat at the negotiating table, private property owners and other affected residents are not given the opportunity to object to these settlements.” Vitter concludes that “regulatory policy is being fashioned behind closed doors with groups that are clearly antagonistic to the economic health of the United States.”

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    The point being the EPA does not work for us, but is a partisan radical advocacy organization within the Government.

    Community organizing on a grander scale.....

    The most recent major scandal, which began unraveling late last year after a federal court ruling, involves former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, who conveniently announced her resignation in late December. The self-styled “most progressive EPA chief in history" was caught, apparently in violation of federal law, using the fake name "Richard Windsor" and a bogus e-mail account to conspire with allies in the establishment media and friendly policymakers. The shady dealings were part of an effort to promote Jackson and the Obama administration’s wildly unconstitutional policies without being exposed to public scrutiny.

    The pseudonym and fake e-mail account scandal, already being called "Windsorgate," was essentially aimed at skirting federal record-keeping laws barring the use of fake names in official government dealings, according to analysts. The other purpose of the unlawful scheme, first uncovered by a researcher at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, was to conceal the lawless EPA boss’s activities from mandatory public and congressional oversight. After a Freedom of Information Act request and a successful lawsuit by CEI, however, the whole plot is slowly coming to light.

    Unsurprisingly, the EPA — created in 1970 by an unconstitutional “executive order” issued by then-President Richard Nixon — is still trying to hide as much of the incriminating evidence as possible using bogus justifications. Among other concerns, the agency has been redacting — blacking out — massive segments of the documents it was forced to release under court order. It flat out refused to release hundreds more.

    [/QUOTE]

    EPA administrators have been using pseudonyms and secondary email accounts since the invention of email.  Not saying its right, but she admits to it as did all of her predecessors.

     

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    Forbes:

    "A recent analysis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute estimated that the annual cost of compliance with EPA regulations alone is more than a third of a trillion dollars

    [/QUOTE]

    Perfect example of how regulations create jobs, and as a bonus these ones keep the environment safe.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
    [QUOTE]

     

    Forbes:

    "A recent analysis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute estimated that the annual cost of compliance with EPA regulations alone is more than a third of a trillion dollars

    "Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) called attention to a questionable practice of the EPA and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service called “sue and settle,” sometimes referred to as “friendly lawsuits.” According to Sen. Vitter, “sue and settle” is a subterfuge under which “radical environmental groups file lawsuits against a federal agency in a friendly court demanding the agency take action. Rather than allowing the entire process to play out, the Department of Justice and the agency being sued settles [sic] the lawsuit by agreeing to move forward with the requested action. While the environmental group is given a seat at the negotiating table, private property owners and other affected residents are not given the opportunity to object to these settlements.” Vitter concludes that “regulatory policy is being fashioned behind closed doors with groups that are clearly antagonistic to the economic health of the United States.”

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    So let me get this straight ... the blurb above laments the idea of regulations being created behind closed doors but then complains about competing groups being allowed a seat at the table.

    Sounds like the typical neo-con trope that if only big business was allowed to lobby gov't agencies without meddling, they would always do what's in the best interest of society.

    Ya, that worked out well for WV....

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
    [QUOTE]

     

    Forbes:

    "A recent analysis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute estimated that the annual cost of compliance with EPA regulations alone is more than a third of a trillion dollars

    [/QUOTE]

    Perfect example of how regulations create jobs, and as a bonus these ones keep the environment safe.

    [/QUOTE]

    Just goes to show how filthy and destructive many of these industries really are...

    ...and that for them, it's all about money, not public responsibility.

     

     

     

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

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    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

     



    lol fossil fuels

    If it wasn't for Crude oil and refined products you would not have a lap top with solid state instruments and micro-chips, Fiber optics, plastic, paint, any clothes but, cotton, no rubber, and very little modern medicine!!

    that a fact!

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    You might have the vaguest semblence of a point if Matty had said "we should not have ever have used fossil fuels".

     

     

    "lol"

    [/QUOTE]


    The misconception is that crude is just for fuel dipzhit. But, thanks for butting in

    [/QUOTE]


    Actually you're way off base.

    Of the seven or eight things you listed, only three actually rely on oil by-products.

    But thanks for playing.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

    [/QUOTE]
    Perhaps the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ought to worry less about shutting down every coal-fired power plant in the country and more about safeguarding Americans against toxic tap water.

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:


    The misconception is that crude is just for fuel dipzhit. But, thanks for butting in

    Sorry you're embarassed by yet another complete and other failure.

    You do realize that after you hit "reply to this post," you actually should be typing something that .....replies to the post you are trying to reply to.

    Right?

     

    "lol"

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
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    Anything to protect the "favored industry" status of fossil fuel production and consumption and their strings on the levers of government...

    ...all at the expense of the environment and the public: public safety, public health and american lands preserved on behalf of the enduring public interest.

     

    Meanwhile in WV, the next man-made chemical disaster is likely queued up to poison the drinking water for tens of thousands of people (or worse)...

    ...the cause of which was not environmental regulation but the lack of enforcement of the same.

    These industries and others have proven incapable and/or unwilling to regulate themselves.  For them, profits come first; people are a distant second, at best.

     

    [/QUOTE]
    Perhaps the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ought to worry less about shutting down every coal-fired power plant in the country and more about safeguarding Americans against toxic tap water.

    [/QUOTE]


    You do realize that requires regulation, right?

    And you understand that the WV company responsible for the toxic spill was exempt from EPA regulations, right?

     

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