The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    In response to miscricket's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    Man.......I wish my industry was hiring.  We`re laying off daily and everyone is looking over their shoulder.  It`s no way to live.



    My, you sound almost like you recognize it's not necessarily the employees' fault. Does this mean you've had a change of heart about extended unemployment benefits?

     

     


    Never in a million years.  99 weeks?  A Y F K M???  And then you can file for an extension?
    All the while you get an obamaphone, EBT card, food stamps?  No wonder unemployment is so high and we`re broke.  Nobody wants to go back to work, they don`t have to.

     

    The point is, my friend slomag is wrong.  Nobody is hiring. Look at the jobs created numbers every month. They are abysmal.

     

     



    Do you even bother familiarizing yourself with the actual facts before you go off on these tangents..? First..the 99 weeks includes an extension...and in MA..that is gone anyhow.  You do know that people pay into the unemployment fund while they are working ..right..?  You do know that many people on unemployment are not also on food stamps..or receiving Reaganphones..or receiving EBT benefits..? You do get that..right..?

     

    BTW..Slomag is right. Many industries are hiring. In Massachusetts..the unemployment rate is low enough that people don't qualify for the federal unemployment extension. My agency alone has doubled in size in the last year..and will double again next year.

     

    (QUOTE)


      You`re the one that needs to check facts. Talk about a freakin` tangent.  Unemployment in MA WENT UP!  Unemployment nationally went up!  We`re creating approximately HALF of the jobs needed per month to even sustain this rate.

    It`s 99 weeks and then a 52 week extension (the extension has been stopped). Most (go check the data before you spew) then file a disability claim.  With 101 million on government assistance and 51 million on food stamps it`s pretty safe to assume many take advantage of this system.

    A far cry from the 13 weeks. Dying to know who`s "hiring" in such large numbers?  You may want to tell our friend that graduated from college 4 years ago, got a job at State Street, got laid off in Dec after 4 years, and got 99 weeks unemployment.....IN MASSACHUSETTS!!!  She took off for 3 weeks in Florida a few days ago.  Great gig if you can get it.

     




    Actually you are wrong and are the one who needs to check facts. I know this cause my gf is going through the same think.

     

    http://www.mass.gov/lwd/unemployment-insur/filing-a-claim/federal-extension-programs/

     

    Clearly states 26 weeks.

     

    EUC provides an additional 26 weeks

    and EB provided and additional 20 weeks but was triggered off when MA unemployment rate went up in 2012.

    where are the stats for your claim that most file a disablity claim?

     




    Also sounds like your friend is commiting fraud. You should report her.

     




    Oh......so she`s a hero in Massachusetts?

     

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    our friend that graduated from college 4 years ago, got a job at State Street, got laid off in Dec after 4 years, and got 99 weeks unemployment.....IN MASSACHUSETTS!!!  She took off for 3 weeks in Florida a few days ago.



    We're supposed to believe that you consider such a person a "friend" after all the hate-filled rants you spew here?

     




    Our friend`s kid.   S T F U !

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from FaolanofEssex. Show FaolanofEssex's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    Our friend`s kid.   S T F U !



    Oy. If you can't take it, don't sling it.

     

    Besides, I've heard one too many perfectly convenient personal anecdotes here to put much stock in them.




    And again, it sounds like she is committing fraud. Have you reported her?

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    Our friend`s kid.   S T F U !



    Oy. If you can't take it, don't sling it.

     

    Besides, I've heard one too many perfectly convenient personal anecdotes here to put much stock in them.



    OK

    Some of us live in the REAL world and are very familiar with REAL life situations.  And, with unemployment rates as high as they are, we see it effect folks we know.  You started this "twist" in this thread.  I simply suggested that 13 weeks ( a helpful safety net) was standard and useful.  It made sure that unfortunate people could get support while they looked for new employment.  It forced people to get back to some type or work quickly.  Moving it to 26 weeks, 52 weeks, and extensions that at one point could have folks at 151 weeks and the ability to file disability extensions could (and does) become a "way of life".

    Not good.

     

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    Our friend`s kid.   S T F U !



    Oy. If you can't take it, don't sling it.

     

    Besides, I've heard one too many perfectly convenient personal anecdotes here to put much stock in them.

     




    And again, it sounds like she is committing fraud. Have you reported her?

     




    You`re not too bright, are you?

    "When state unemployment is high, Massachusetts residents may be eligible for up to 99 weeks of unemployment benefits:

    • up to 26 weeks of regular benefits from the Massachusetts unemployment program
    • up to 53 weeks of extended benefits from the Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC)
    • up to 20 weeks of extended benefits from the Extended Benefits (EB) program

    For more information about how to apply for extended benefits, see Information On Unemployment Insurance Extensions on the Division of Unemployment Assistance web site. You can file an extended benefit claim by calling the special toll-free number: 1-888-998-8418.

    For special filing requirements of the Extended Benefits program, see Federal-State Extended Benefits Program."

     

    You may want to do a little better job "helping" your "girlfriend"?

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    I simply suggested that 13 weeks ( a helpful safety net) was standard and useful.  It made sure that unfortunate people could get support while they looked for new employment.  It forced people to get back to some type or work quickly.

     

    And I think temporary extraordinary measures are necessary when the worst economic hit since the great depression means there isn't work available.

    In a good economy, it's hard enough for a 50 something to find a new job after getting laid off. Unless they've made it all the way to executive status, companies are going to prefer younger workers with some experience - say in their 30s.

    In this economy, those have it worst. The 30 somethings can't get jobs so the 50 somethings are simply out of question.

     

    I haven't looked at the age distribution for UI benefits during this recession, but I'm going to made an educated guess that middle aged people received them the longest.

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    and the ability to file disability extensions could (and does) become a "way of life".

     

     

    I'll grant you "could," simply because the fact that people are evil enough to commit mass murder means that invariably there are people willing to commit lesser crimes.

    "And does"? Well....how often does it, in fact, happen? 0.005% ? 20%?
     

    It's more or less the question that makes you either right or wrong. And even then the solution wouldn't necessarily be cutting everyone's UI, it might just be enforcement and charges.

     

    Of course, you are conveniently omitting the fact that the people receiving UI paid into the system already.




    Not at all, I get it.  If in fact I got let go, I would be one that has "paid in" 35 years.  And yes, I agree that someone my age would have a difficult time finding an "exec" job quickly. But, I`ll stand by my original statement and tell you loud and clear that I would do exactly what I did those many years ago.  I`d be at Home Depot, Hannaford`s, McDonalds, or anywhere I could find ANY work to take care of my family.  I haven`t lost my bartending skills, and the guy I worked for those many years ago now owns 5 restaurants and does catering on a regular basis.  Point...........I would work every minute of every day instead of taking advantage of the system .

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    And of course, nevermind that if UI benefits get pulled in this economy, and there are indeed no jobs, the people are going to lose their homes. They will end up in the social safety net, and will receive even more government money than they do now.

    So what's your solution to that? Cut the safety net too? Ignore it and continue making things up about people who receive UI?




    No but, it sounds like your "solution" is redistribution, give everyone what they need, and have government take care of everyone and everything.  How about lowering taxes for job creators?  Allowing health insurance providers to compete state to state and abolishing a $1.8 trillion debacle that 60% of America hates? How about massive reductions is spending to pull the $17 trillion debt down so companies have some faith in America and start investing (and hring) again?  How about a tax code that is clear and no threats of increases (agains so companies have faith)?

    My "solution" is jobs. 

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    I`d be at Home Depot, Hannaford`s, McDonalds, or anywhere I could find ANY work to take care of my family.  I haven`t lost my bartending skills, and the guy I worked for those many years ago now owns 5 restaurants and does catering on a regular basis.  Point...........I would work every minute of every day instead of taking advantage of the system .



    If you could work, you would.

     

    What you seem to be refusing to acknolwedge (despite slamming Obama for it so often) is that the economy is still in the toilet. It's got it's pinky on the rim, but that's about it for the moment.

    I would not be so quick to assume that people on UI aren't doing everything they can to get jobs.

    And you know, UI benefits aren't exactly a huge amount of cash. In some states, they're garbage. I wouldn't be surprised if these people are offering to mow people's lawns or shovel driveways for any extra cash they can get.

     

     




    Great point, and I hope you`re right. 

    I`m not refusing to admit the economy is in the toilet..........I agree.  It seems that it`s the Left saying everything is OK, we`re recovering, negative GDP is because of star alignment, 4.00 gas is due to global warming, and huge debt/deficit is Bush`s fault.

    Again.......I agree.  We need jobs.  Should be Priority ONE!  (and should have been since 2008)

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    "Oh yes, right. The rich are richer than ever, but taxes are somehow miraculously holding them back. There's not enough demand, but hey, cut a rich person's taxes and they'll hire people to make widgets just for the fun of it.

    That idea is outright fraudulent.

    If you seriously believe it, you should either stop drinking, or start."

     

    C`mon Man!  Rich people are freakin rich people!  There will always be "rich people".  The problem is not "rich people".  The problem is the definition of "rich people".   $250k is not freakin rich.  $400k is not rich.  We shouldn`t be talking about an individual`s wealth, we should be talking about wealthy business and industry.  It`s said many times here and let`s assume it`s true..........."corporate profits are at an all time high".  Yet, corporations are not spending, hiring, re-investing, spending R and D dollars, etc.........why?

    It`s because of unease IMO.  They don`t trust Washington.  They don`t know costs associated with ACA, tax rates, spending, debt reduction, etc,etc

     

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    In response to slomag's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    In response to slomag's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    In response to slomag's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    In response to slomag's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

     

    " (i.e. Republicans)."

    LOL!  Yes, that slight majority in the House ONLY is to blame for all the problems.

    Could you attach or cut and paste the "Defend Obama`s Incompetence" handbook you get your MSNBC talking points from?  My Senior in High School would like to take it in to  government class for discussion. 

     



    Federal spending was up, so it's just state and local levels that have been dragging down the employment numbers.

     

    It's just like the gas prices - as soon as speculators overcame their initial fears, everything went back to normal.  Same with private sector employment - it's as strong now as it was in 2004.  It's public sector behavior that has changed. 

    I blame Republicans, because they're the ones screaming about debt and deficits wherever they go.  The Dems are saying we have to address these things, but let's get America back to work first.  And historically, as I've pointed out before - over the last 3+ decades, Republicans do not have the right to b1tch about debt and deficits.  They just don't.  It's like Newt Gingrich talking about traditional marriage.

     




     

    LOL

    Good analogy.  I respect your civility.  Apologies for being a wise a55 all the time.  I do appreciate your loyalty to your side and your always intelligent argument. 

    So, do we "get America back to work first" with tax increases?  Or, do we cut spending? I hear much raving here at BDC that "corporations have more earnings saved than ever before", so why aren`t they investing in America?  Why aren`t they hiring?  Why are they laying off more so than ever?

    I think it`s fear and doubt.  I think ACA will cost companies and they know it.  I think potential higher taxes with no spending cuts has them unsure and uneasy. I think much of the reason companies that could/should hire have no trust or faith in this president. Frankly, his record for the last 4 years doesn`t give them confidence.

     



    Ideally, I'd hold off on all tax increases and spending cuts until the economy is a bit stronger.  But of the two, spending cuts are far more damaging, especially if the tax cuts are on the wealthy class.  Those cuts don't affect public consumption - nobody is tightening their belts or eating in more often.  If anything, it inspires more business investment, because you're getting hit at a higher rate if just keep it under your mattress.

     

    Spending cuts means job cuts - and job cuts means more people unemployed, more competition for the people already looking for work.

    If corporations are sitting on capital, it probably has more to do with recent behavior of banks.  When the financial melt-down occurred, even after the bailout the banks refused to lend money.  Large corporations started changing their payment cycles - they would decide to pay bills 90, 120, even 180 days after billed.  I own a small business - I had to actually drop a big client because I didn't have the cash flow to support working 40 hours for a client one month and being paid five months later.

    But all in all, I think corporations are hiring, and I think small businesses are hiring and growing.  At some point the states, counties, cities and towns have to follow suit.  When that happens, unemployment rates will quickly dip down to levels we find acceptable, and GDP in turn will grow at a faster rate.  

     




     

    Man.......I wish my industry was hiring.  We`re laying off daily and everyone is looking over their shoulder.  It`s no way to live.

     

     



    What industry?  I googled "layoffs" in google news, and nearly everything that comes up is driven by cutbacks in government spending - police, construction on bridges and canals, local hospitals, staff of a suburb of Pittsburgh.  The only private layoffs mentioned were in media (Washington Post & New York Times) and Orbitz - those seem more related to changing consumer behavior than to the economy.

     

     

     




     

    You need to google Ford Mo co, Boeing, Hewlett Packard, Intel, Texas Instruments, Siemens, all of the medical instruments companies.  Anything Tech.  It`s falling apart daily.  And when the chip manufacturers suffer, the world suffers.

    Not for nothing but, where do you Libs live?  Fantasy land?

     

     



    OK, I did some googling...

     

    Ford's layoffs are almost entirely in Europe

    Boeing's layoffs are in the defense division - directly related to government spending

    Siemens cites uncertainty over wind tax credit extensions - directly related to government spending

    There do seem to be quite a few tech companies laying off, but that could indicate a paradigm shift, or just bad products - Intel's layoffs are in the McAfee branch.  McAfee software is horrible - it may have just caught up with them.  The bottom line is as long as the unemployment rate continues to fall, we're on the right track.

     

     

    (QUOTE)


     

    Ah....hem,,,,umm, the unemployment rate went up last couple months.  About 130,000 jobs are being created a month.  That is horrific and nowhere near enough to grow anything.  We`re in a recession and when the Q2 numbers come out we`re going to see more layoffs.

    "right track"?



    Again - look to the public sector.  The private sector has added over 600,000 jobs in the past three months.  That's real growth.  It's not bubble growth, but it's real.

     

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from FaolanofEssex. Show FaolanofEssex's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    Again, it sounds like your "friend" is committing fraud. Have you reported her?

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from FaolanofEssex. Show FaolanofEssex's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

     

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    Our friend`s kid.   S T F U !



    Oy. If you can't take it, don't sling it.

     

    Besides, I've heard one too many perfectly convenient personal anecdotes here to put much stock in them.

     




    And again, it sounds like she is committing fraud. Have you reported her?

     

     




     

    You`re not too bright, are you?

    "When state unemployment is high, Massachusetts residents may be eligible for up to 99 weeks of unemployment benefits:

    • up to 26 weeks of regular benefits from the Massachusetts unemployment program
    • up to 53 weeks of extended benefits from the Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC)
    • up to 20 weeks of extended benefits from the Extended Benefits (EB) program

    For more information about how to apply for extended benefits, see Information On Unemployment Insurance Extensions on the Division of Unemployment Assistance web site. You can file an extended benefit claim by calling the special toll-free number: 1-888-998-8418.

    For special filing requirements of the Extended Benefits program, see Federal-State Extended Benefits Program."

     

    You may want to do a little better job "helping" your "girlfriend"?




    Except those federal extended benefits ended in Dec 2012. Unless you are actually going thru the process you can't know what is happening. I take her experience over what you copy from the website. "May be eligible" isn't the same as "is eleigible".

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from FaolanofEssex. Show FaolanofEssex's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    Also your "friend" got layed off in December? Of what year? Has she already collected 99 weeks of benefits? Since the extension in MA ended in 2012 I find this hard to swallow.

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FaolanofEssex's comment:

    Also your "friend" got layed off in December? Of what year? Has she already collected 99 weeks of benefits? Since the extension in MA ended in 2012 I find this hard to swallow.




    I`m trying to be nice but, you really aren`t too bright, are you?

    The post and the link is dated Janauary 2013, one month ago.  It clearly defines, with extensions, how you easily get to 99 weeks.  Maybe your "girlfriend" needs another UI advocate on the case?  Perhaps one that can read?

    Again, as in earlier posts in this thread, said a couple of times, December 2012 was the layoff date after 4 years of employment.

     
  15. This post has been removed.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from tacobreath. Show tacobreath's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

      It`s said many times here and let`s assume it`s true..........."corporate profits are at an all time high".  Yet, corporations are not spending, hiring, re-investing, spending R and D dollars, etc.........why?

     

    It`s because of unease IMO.  They don`t trust Washington.  They don`t know costs associated with ACA, tax rates, spending, debt reduction, etc,etc

     



    It's because there isn't demand. "All-time high" profits come from squeezing their employees. Stagnated wages for those without real bargaining power, but 475:1 compensation for the CEO.

     

    Companies hedge against uncertainty by holding on to more cash. But they do not stop expanding because of it. The only reason a company stops expanding is because they see no future increase in demand to meet the increase in supply. New expenses can be dealt with by shifting costs to consumers, trimming the work force, raising the price of the good, etc..

    There isn't anything to be done about lack of demand.

    Whether you're talking about a mom & pop shop, or a massive multinational, it remains true that nobody decides to hire redundant workers just because the happen to have more money.

    That's the #1 reason why cutting taxes on entities with lots of cash isn't going to do anything except further tank government revenue.

     

     

     

    The laffer curve is a concept. It's only shown to have any real effect when top rates were wayyyyyy higher.

    And even under those onerous rates, people were still working hard to make even more money.

    It's a herring, man. Complete red herring.




    Great stuff!  Cannot disagree.  I got nothin` ..........I`m gonna get a cup of joe and cry for a while.

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from portfilio. Show portfilio's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    Obama beats Republicans in almost everything:

     

    http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/130221-new-poll-president-obama-beating-republicans-almost-everywhere.jpg

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from portfilio. Show portfilio's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    Blame Republicans!

     

    http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/pics-2012-11/imagesizerfilesteve-benen4C54A29D-2_zps47470171.jpg

     

     

    While it is fashionable and politically correct to say BLAME OBAMA for everything under the sun, most Americans blame Republicans.

     
  19. This post has been removed.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from portfilio. Show portfilio's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FortySixAnd2's comment:

    In response to portfilio's comment:

     

    Blame Republicans!

     

    http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/pics-2012-11/imagesizerfilesteve-benen4C54A29D-2_zps47470171.jpg

     

     

    While it is fashionable and politically correct to say BLAME OBAMA for everything under the sun, most Americans blame Republicans.

     



    Let's be honest...most American's are stupid

     




     

    I cannot accept that Americans are stupid as they are ignorant and timid.  Yes, they are too disposed to believe right wing lies such as those in the Fox network.  But they can easily go to any number of websites online to get the truth that the right wing media refuses to publish.

    Ignorance, timidity, and the ready disposition to be conformist are the real problem(s) in my opinion.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FortySixAnd2's comment:

    In response to portfilio's comment:

     

    Blame Republicans!

     

    http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/pics-2012-11/imagesizerfilesteve-benen4C54A29D-2_zps47470171.jpg

     

     

    While it is fashionable and politically correct to say BLAME OBAMA for everything under the sun, most Americans blame Republicans.

     



    Let's be honest...most American's are stupid

     



    Just not stupid enough to vote for Romney :)

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from miscricket. Show miscricket's posts

    Re: The GOP Problem...in a Nutshell ( literally and figuratively)

    In response to FortySixAnd2's comment:

    In response to portfilio's comment:

     

    Blame Republicans!

     

    http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/pics-2012-11/imagesizerfilesteve-benen4C54A29D-2_zps47470171.jpg

     

     

    While it is fashionable and politically correct to say BLAME OBAMA for everything under the sun, most Americans blame Republicans.

     



    Let's be honest...most American's are stupid

     




    I disagree..but I do think they are disinterested and gullible. Regardless of their polical beliefs.

     
  23. This post has been removed.

     

Share