Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

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    Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

    Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

    10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

    9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

    8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

    7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

    6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

    5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

    4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

    3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

    2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

    1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate

     
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    LOL a righty whining about lies told in this election. 

     
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    LOL a righty whining about lies told in this election.

     

    Hmmmm, a whine about alleged whining. Would that make it a meta-whine?

     
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    Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

    10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

    9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

    8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

    7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

    6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

    5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

    4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

    3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

    2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

    1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate

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    10.  The only Obama defense cuts on the table are those that are designed not to occur (i.e. the debt ceiling compromise conditions).  This is far more a Ryan lie than a Biden lie.

    9. Obama and Netanyahu were never in New York on the same day.  The View taped on Monday, Netanyahu did not arrive until Thursday.

    8. Only 2.5% of small businesses fall into this category.

    7. Agreed - this was a discrediting tactic.

    6. The GOP led House cut $330 million from Obama's request for Embassy Security.  The final bill passed was $270 million less than requested.

    5. "Four years closer" is impossible to quantify.  Iran has more material to make nuclear weapons than it did four years ago, but it's not clear that they have made any progress on their ability to enrich Uranium.

    4. The administration has announced plans to allow religious organizations to opt out of providing contraception.  You have some merit here, because it's not actually the law yet, but if it doesn't happen, it's more of a broken promise than a lie.  If it does become law, the lawsuits will be dropped.

    3. The phrasing of the sentence suggests more that Biden is criticizing the Bush tax cuts in the face of the two wars, rather than the wars themselves.

    2. Biden is probably referring to the aspects of Obamacare that benefit Seniors directly - closing the donut hole, expanding coverage, and free well visits and screenings.

    1. Somebody may have been told they wanted more security, but why would you expect that request to reach the President or VP's desk?  There were 19 embassies under protest the days leading up to the incident; I imagine there were a lot of requests for additional security.  Given point #6, it's really distasteful for Ryan / Romney to Monday-morning quarterback on this issue.

     

     
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    You mean you aren't going to post ten threads with a thousand exclamation marks declaring Ryan the winner? Is that because he lost? Is that why you have to resort to lies and smears? 

    Heh. 

    Though I do appreciate how you started another thread about what "pundits" think, but cherrypicked a handful of conservatives declaring Ryan the winner.

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    No it wasnt the schalacking Romney gave Obama and imho Biden worst thing was himself by looking like a contankerous old man that was just rude, angry and trying to bully the neighborhood kids.

     

     
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    No it wasnt the schalacking Romney gave Obama and imho Biden worst thing was himself by looking like a contankerous old man that was just rude, angry and trying to bully the neighborhood kids.

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    12+ hours

    ...to get to, "He smirked."  And, "He was mean to my guy." 

    And then the mother ship showed up ...finally.  Then, "See? I knew that he was still a buffoon."

     

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     

     
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    No it wasnt the schalacking Romney gave Obama and imho Biden worst thing was himself by looking like a contankerous old man that was just rude, angry and trying to bully the neighborhood kids.

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    12+ hours

    ...to get to, "He smirked."  And, "He was mean to my guy." 

    And then the mother ship showed up ...finally.  Then, "See? I knew that he was still a buffoon."

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    Not sure what you point is. I dont think Biden was mean. He just seemed like a grumpy, rude old guy. Dont take it from me listen to most any news source except maybe the globe.

    His laughing during discussions about Iran were very weird and seemed out of touch with the reality. Dont take my word for it; see Tom Brokaw remarks about it.

    btw: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-depends-who-you-ask/

     
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    Re: Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
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    You mean you aren't going to post ten threads with a thousand exclamation marks declaring Ryan the winner? Is that because he lost? Is that why you have to resort to lies and smears?

     Heh. 

    Though I do appreciate how you started another thread about what "pundits" think, but cherrypicked a handful of conservatives declaring Ryan the winner.

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    I think the dems are just so happy not to get schalacked like Obama did that anything short of that is a victory!

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    btw: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-depends-who-you-ask/

     

    " Republicans ... argue that Rep. Paul Ryan'€™s calm, unflustered demeanor and his solid performance on foreign affairs was appealing to swing voters, especially women."

     


    Oh so that's what he was trying to do.

      

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    Dont pretend to know the intent but, if it worked then Kudo's!!

     
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    Interesting tidbit....The Romney campaign negotiated a debate rule last night that the moderator was not allowed to refer to Paul Ryan, as Congressman Ryan. 

     
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    Re: Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

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    You mean you aren't going to post ten threads with a thousand exclamation marks declaring Ryan the winner? Is that because he lost? Is that why you have to resort to lies and smears?

     

    Heh.

     

    Though I do appreciate how you started another thread about what "pundits" think, but cherrypicked a handful of conservatives declaring Ryan the winner.

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    "Interesting tidbit....The Romney campaign negotiated a debate rule last night that the moderator was not allowed to refer to Paul Ryan, as Congressman Ryan."

    Why?

     
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    So it could be as high as 53% and as low as 38%?

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     
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    and we are supposed to believe that Brietbert.com doesn't lie? The righties are the most gullible they've every been lately.

     
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    Or, these numbers:  12,900.  381.  Which don't actually differ from yours/CNN's.  Here:

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     
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    Interesting cnn take on a Virginia focus group wired for approval/disapproval on Libya while VP smokin Joe Biden spoke the focus group indicated liar, liar pants on fire.  While P90X Ryan touched the third rail of politics "abortion" he briefly hit an unfavorable. 

    See for yourself.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=po_c1#/video/bestoftv/2012/10/12/exp-erin-virginia-focus-group-undecided-voters-on-best-and-worst-moments-of-vp-debate.cnn

     
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    Re: Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

    T.V political debates are for the more ignorant people who don't read. Too much emphasis is put on image and character flaws, etc. Thes debates are mainly for the undecided people who are trying to play catch up. A huge majority of people are not undecided, these debates are a whole lot of hoopla for a small percentage of votes.

    If you are for Romney, it is unlikely that anything Obama or Biden says ( truth or facts) is going to sway you at this point. And that goes for Obama supporters also, there is not alot Romney or Ryan can say that will sway anyone who is committed.

    They are trying to manipulate the less educated , less informed people.

    Of course they are going to lie and be inaccurate. Of course, they are going to try and confuse these people who are easily confused anyway. Of course they are going to lie....after all this what politicians do best , this is why America never gets honest leaders.

     
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    Re: Top 10 Biden lies in last nights debate.

    In response to Firewind's comment:
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    "Interesting tidbit....The Romney campaign negotiated a debate rule last night that the moderator was not allowed to refer to Paul Ryan, as Congressman Ryan."

    Why?

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    Must have something to do with the 7% approval rating for congressmen.

     

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