What was the dream of Obama's father?

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    kind of reminds me of that eihnhorn ladie/man from ace ventura. in police work we need this little thing called evidence. and then when jim carrey/ace provides evidence in an undeniable way, eihnhorn then has nothing to say.
     
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    [QUOTE]seems i have the small minded progressive dems on there heals as its taking quite a while for any of you to respond and refute my "evidence".
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    What evidence?  You name a few people who are marginally connected to Obama and from that you get a conclusion that he is a marxist revolutionary.  That is bizarre.  Look at his administration and call out the marxists.  Look at his policies and call out those that are marxist.  No one is on their "heals".  You aren't saying anything of real substance.
     
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    There are many sources available to find the 'Truth' concerning President Barack Obama. The most recent is a book called 'Roots of Obama's Rage' by Danesh D'Souza.

    Listen Facts are Facts...'then' .......you have Opinions and theories.

    Simply put, just connect the dots....Remember the Truism.. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck etc? Do your own research....Seek the facts themselves first, as the FACTS are all around and available to you....If you do find these Facts not really Facts.... then debate them.....it is only then, we can have any meaningful discussion

     
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    to eliminate stupidity,especially palin,angle,o'donnell..and more republican hypocrisy!that was his dream and hurray for that intellectual man!may he rest in peace.Angle,palin,attacking the health care when documents revealed they were getting free rides on government funded health insurance!o'donnell,went to Oxford?when and where?
     
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    Obama's admitted mentor Frank Marshall.

    Reuben, does he have marginal links to communism.

    You are looking like a fool.

    You are clearly a partisaned fool, who refuses to beleive anything.

    I will ask you to look up Frank Marshall.  I am sure you will say "no, becasue I know everything about him"

    Blinded partisan fool.

    Marshall called himself a communist.  Obama admitted he was his mentor in his book.

    By the way, Obama's father himself.  He wrote alot.  Ever read anything by him?  Is he a communist?  

    And heres a hint, don't say no.  Because he was as well.   
     
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    [QUOTE]Obama's admitted mentor Frank Marshall. Reuben, does he have marginal links to communism. You are looking like a fool. You are clearly a partisaned fool, who refuses to beleive anything. I will ask you to look up Frank Marshall.  I am sure you will say "no, becasue I know everything about him" Blinded partisan fool. Marshall called himself a communist.  Obama admitted he was his mentor in his book. By the way, Obama's father himself.  He wrote alot.  Ever read anything by him?  Is he a communist?   And heres a hint, don't say no.  Because he was as well.   
    Posted by whatnow3[/QUOTE]


    So what? My mentor in college was a right wing republican, and I disagreed with most of his political views. Many of my mentors growing up, I only partly agreed with. This is true for lots of people. Frank Marshall sounds like an old black man, whose first hand knowledge of race relations in the 20s through the 60s, informed Obama's historical understanding. This is classic guilt by association. Sad to see the republicans lean so heavily on muckraking and logical fallacies these days.
     
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    So what?

    The looney left has been denying that Obama is influenced by communists.

    They asked for names, we give them to them, and then they say, "oh that doesn't matter".

    Marshall is a communist and Obama admits he is his mentor.

    There is the info they asked for.

    Of course it matters when the President of the United States claims his biggest mentor is a fan of communism, and wrote papers on how to change our society into a communist society. 
     
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    were giving you the proof you wanted and all you can say is so what and guilt by association. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! bull barack is forhead deep association with radical's/communist/marxist's and you say hes marginally connected to them. unbelieveable. i bet if barack came out and admitted he was a communist/marxist you wouldnt believe it.
     
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    Truman even said the guy was a communist. 

    I like that the wiki site has even been scrubbed.  It now says one time communist. 

    Regardless, the similarities are amazing.  He also was a "community orgainzer".

    Davis is a communist who influenced Obama immensely.

    To argue otherwise is ignoring facts. 

    Obama's grandparents, who took care of him by themselves from age of 10 to 17 hooked Obama up with Frank Marshall.
     
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    [QUOTE]So what? The looney left has been denying that Obama is influenced by communists. They asked for names, we give them to them, and then they say, "oh that doesn't matter". Marshall is a communist and Obama admits he is his mentor. There is the info they asked for. Of course it matters when the President of the United States claims his biggest mentor is a fan of communism, and wrote papers on how to change our society into a communist society. 
    Posted by whatnow3[/QUOTE]


    Again, you are playing guilt by association. Knowing a communist personally and that person being a mentor in your life, doesn't mean you are yourself a communist. And Obama's policies would indicate he isn't. He is a democrat, not a communist (though I realize to right wingers like you that is basically the same thing). Obama is basically a redu of Bush.

    You did through someones' past enough you will find people they knew who held extreme political views.

    No one takes communism seriously anymore. I've had it up to hear with the republican resurrection of the red scare.
     
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    [QUOTE]Truman even said the guy was a communist.  I like that the wiki site has even been scrubbed.  It now says one time communist.  Regardless, the similarities are amazing.  He also was a "community orgainzer". Davis is a communist who influenced Obama immensely. To argue otherwise is ignoring facts.  Obama's grandparents, who took care of him by themselves from age of 10 to 17 hooked Obama up with Frank Marshall.
    Posted by whatnow3[/QUOTE]

    Maybe he was a one time communist (lots of people who grew up in that era changed shifted their views over time---heck savage used to be a left winger).

    Wait, so now all community organizers are also closet communists?

    I am not saying Davis wasn't an influence on Obama, I am saying it isn't the case that Obama shares Davis' old views on communism.

    Again, in my own life, I've had people all over the political spectrum who influenced me. Doesn't mean I embraced all of their political views. T

    his sad attempt to make Obama into the manchurian candidate, is in my view, comes from you being a closet racist Whatisnow. Prove to me that you aren't a closet racist. You've said things a racist would say. You are demonizing the first black man in the white house. Trying to paint him as an outsider, a fraud, a communist, an enemy of the state, etc. And I've heard most of your accusations from documented racists. So clearly there must be a link. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts. It must be the case that you are a racist. There is no other possible explanation.
     
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    So, I provide proof that Obama has been greatly influenced by communists, even claiming that one was his biggest influence of all and was a mentor.

    Mentor- a wise and trusted counselor or teacher.

    And your response is Obama is not a communist

    Obama did not say he knew him.  He did not say he hung out with him.  He said he was my greatest influence and mentor. 

    Your response "He is a democrat"

    Gotcha.

    Facts just get in the way of your opinions I guess.  Who needs facts.

    You are losing the argument, badly. 

    You claim to be such a reader, how about reading The Roots of Obama's Rage.

    While you may not agree with the conclusion, it is filled with facts about Obama's life which, if you choose to defend him regardless of the charge, you may learn a few things which will help you defend him.

    Or maybe it will open your eyes just a bit.   
     
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    the man is not a democrat he is a far left proggressive communist/socialist/marxist/ radical. i would take a blue dog dem over this man any day.

     
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    why is it when any one who supports obama starts to lose an arguement about him they pull out the race card??? you cant even dislike the man without being called a racist.
     
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    [QUOTE]So, I provide proof that Obama has been greatly influenced by communists, even claiming that one was his biggest influence of all and was a mentor. Mentor- a wise and trusted counselor or teacher. And your response is Obama is not a communist Obama did not say he knew him.  He did not say he hung out with him.  He said he was my greatest influence and mentor.  Your response "He is a democrat" Gotcha. Facts just get in the way of your opinions I guess.  Who needs facts. You are losing the argument, badly.  You claim to be such a reader, how about reading The Roots of Obama's Rage. While you may not agree with the conclusion, it is filled with facts about Obama's life which, if you choose to defend him regardless of the charge, you may learn a few things which will help you defend him. Or maybe it will open your eyes just a bit.   
    Posted by whatnow3[/QUOTE]

    Again, I've shown you that just because someone was a mentor to a person, that doesn't mean they both share the same political veiwpoints. And from what I can tell, this guy used to be a communist and has changed his position over time. Unless you can show me something where obama says something to the effect of "he taught me how great communism is and I agreed", you don't have anything but a tenuous association here.

    But I am much more interested in your veiws. As we've seen this attempt to paint obama as a communist, as a secret muslim, as an outsider, has been widely embraced by the white supremacist movement. How is it that you can sit here, agree with white supremacists point by point, and expect me to believe you aren't a racist? What are you hiding?
     
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    [QUOTE]the man is not a democrat he is a far left proggressive communist/socialist/marxist/ radical. i would take a blue dog dem over this man any day.
    Posted by R3S1N20[/QUOTE]

    Sorry but a communist/socialist/marxist/radical would have enacted universal healthcare, would have siezed the means of production and placed them under collective ownership, etc, etc. He hasn't done that. In fact, people who support European style social democracy (very different by the way from communism), have been uniformly dissapointed with his policies. He is an old style liberal democrat, in the mold of carter, but not even approaching the more left reaching democrats of the past like FDR.
     
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    [QUOTE]why is it when any one who supports obama starts to lose an arguement about him they pull out the race card??? you cant even dislike the man without being called a racist.
    Posted by R3S1N20[/QUOTE]

    R3S2N20, you are a moron. I wasn't playing the race card. I was parodying whatnow's argument and turning it against him. I don't believe he is a racist, but I was using similar logic to what he used, to show how foolish his argument is.
     
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    how do you refute this then forum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
     
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    the man supports ultimately going to a single payer system. are you gonna say that bc he said that back in 2003 or 2007 that he now doesnt believe that anymore.
     
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    [QUOTE]how do you refute this then forum. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
    Posted by R3S1N20[/QUOTE]

    If there was a public option in the actual plan, you'd have a point. And if there was a public option that eventually destroyed private insurance, I would be all for it. That doesn't mean I want to live under a full blown communist system. It means I support having a mixed economy. And with something like healthcare, the private sector has failed.
     
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    Forum,

    Were you ever on 'Dancing with the Stars' ? You do a great tap dance but can you swing?
     
    I think you'd be great!! Maybe take Bwarney Fwank as your partner.. errr.. dance partner.
     
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    yea cuz government run healthcare is gonna be so much better than private insurance. and i agree in areas the private sector has failed at healthcare, but that doesnt mean the government has to take it over, it doesnt mean the system we have for now cant be fixed.
     
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    if the government gets in on healthcare and provides a healthcare plan, none of the private companies will be able to be competitive, which in turn will make them go out of buisness which ultimately leads us to a SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM.
     
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    cuz there definitly is a public option in that plan i can guarentee you that.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What was the dream of Obama's father? : I have children and I teach children and I am afraid you have a childlike view of this issue.  Obama is no radical.  He does not have any political initiatives that come close to creating a revolutionary marxist communist state.  Such a view is conservative claptrap. He has been elected as president and this nation does not elect radicals.  Marginal lefty characters in his life do not make for a radical president.  You are lying to yourself to believe otherwise.  
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]
     

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