White House claims Obamacare website fixes are being done with "private sector speed and execution"

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    White House claims Obamacare website fixes are being done with "private sector speed and execution"

    POLITICO: The White House is putting a bullish face on the effort, briefing reporters on the “ruthless” efficiency of the tech surge. At that mid-week session, Zients described an operation with “private sector speed and execution.”

    Ah, the irony is beyond belief. The leftist public sector bureaucrats first wasted $300 million on a trainwreck website. (Or it could have been $400 million wasted , we dont know...what do you thnk this is, the private sector?)

    But now they are going to be "ruthlessly efficient", with "private sector speed and execution". 

    Hmm...the implication from that statement seems to be that that the private sector is faster, more nimble and can get actual results better than the pork-ridden bureaucratic public sector losers that the Obama statists rely upon...

    Is this the "greedy" private sector they are referring to? You know, the capitalist system that rewards success and efficiency, and where failure actually means failure? That Private sector?

    In the dreaded private sector , failure on a scale of the Obama website would result in mass firings and bankruptciees.....but not for our dedicated public servants, who are dedicated to sticking around till their fat pensions kick in.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamacare-website-healthcaregov-fixes-100483.html#ixzz2m9sPmlCc 

     
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    POLITICO: The White House is putting a bullish face on the effort, briefing reporters on the “ruthless” efficiency of the tech surge. At that mid-week session, Zients described an operation with “private sector speed and execution.”

    Ah, the irony is beyond belief. The leftist public sector bureaucrats first wasted $300 million on a trainwreck website. (Or it could have been $400 million wasted , we dont know...what do you thnk this is, the private sector?)

    But now they are going to be "ruthlessly efficient", with "private sector speed and execution". 

    Hmm...the implication from that statement seems to be that that the private sector is faster, more nimble and can get actual results better than the pork-ridden bureaucratic public sector losers that the Obama statists rely upon...

    Is this the "greedy" private sector they are referring to? You know, the capitalist system that rewards success and efficiency, and where failure actually means failure? That Private sector?

    In the dreaded private sector , failure on a scale of the Obama website would result in mass firings and bankruptciees.....but not for our dedicated public servants, who are dedicated to sticking around till their fat pensions kick in.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamacare-website-healthcaregov-fixes-100483.html#ixzz2m9sPmlCc 

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    But are you forgetting how we, the taxpayers, bailed out X number of private sector companies???

    They did NOT go bankrupt, did they. Far from it.

    I believe the phrase "Too big to fail" came into our lexicon.

    Maybe we the taxpayers should have let them all just go under but we did not.

    Selective memory at work perhaps?

     
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    Talking heads on NBC found the irony too rich as well...

    DAVID BROOKS: I have to say, people are appraising whether this government can work. Can government be nimble? Can it learn from its mistakes? And I would say the website is just a small symptom that is not nimble. Government is like an offensive lineman. It can do something really well. It can do blocking. It can create order. But when you ask government to be a wide receiver, then you're asking two things it can't do. And I think we're in a situation like that. We're asking it to do things it can't do. Republicans win elections when Democrats overreach by asking government to do things it can't do.

    CHUCK TODD: David, the most interesting thing in this report, right, page one-- it's page three of the report, it says here that, "The team is operating with private sector velocity and effectiveness." Okay, that is an acknowledgement that, "You know what? If this was a government operation for a long time and it failed, now we're bringing in the private sector folks." I mean that is an indictment on the whole idea of government as a solution, frankly, when you look at --

     

     
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    POLITICO: The White House is putting a bullish face on the effort, briefing reporters on the “ruthless” efficiency of the tech surge. At that mid-week session, Zients described an operation with “private sector speed and execution.”

    Ah, the irony is beyond belief. The leftist public sector bureaucrats first wasted $300 million on a trainwreck website. (Or it could have been $400 million wasted , we dont know...what do you thnk this is, the private sector?)

    But now they are going to be "ruthlessly efficient", with "private sector speed and execution". 

    Hmm...the implication from that statement seems to be that that the private sector is faster, more nimble and can get actual results better than the pork-ridden bureaucratic public sector losers that the Obama statists rely upon...

    Is this the "greedy" private sector they are referring to? You know, the capitalist system that rewards success and efficiency, and where failure actually means failure? That Private sector?

    In the dreaded private sector , failure on a scale of the Obama website would result in mass firings and bankruptciees.....but not for our dedicated public servants, who are dedicated to sticking around till their fat pensions kick in.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamacare-website-healthcaregov-fixes-100483.html#ixzz2m9sPmlCc 

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    But are you forgetting how we, the taxpayers, bailed out X number of private sector companies???

    They did NOT go bankrupt, did they. Far from it.

    I believe the phrase "Too big to fail" came into our lexicon.

    Maybe we the taxpayers should have let them all just go under but we did not.

    Selective memory at work perhaps?

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    We the taxpayers should not bail out private companies. Even in failure , there is a creative destruction in the free market.  Failed companies in the private sector can be nimble and re-invent themselves.

     
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    Ummm, wasn't the original website built by a private sector company?

    What the neo-cons are not willing to admit is that every large project built on behalf of gov't, wheteher it be an aircraft carrier, the Big Dig or the ACA website, is built by private sector companies.



    Your God of Government can't run a lemonade stand. Blaming the ObamaCare website disaster  on the private sector, is absurd.
    The website was built to the Government's specifications...messed up specs.

    You bring up the The Big Dig to defend Government ? 

    LOL....It was a crony capitalist pig-out, with literally billions in pork doled out by crooked Mass. pols to  crony pals...20 years late, 20 billion over budget , and the roof caved in in the tunnel.... about on par with the ObamaCare website success.

     

     
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    Re: White House claims Obamacare website fixes are being done with AND THEY ARE!!!!!!

     

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    Yup, it's working!

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:
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    Ummm, wasn't the original website built by a private sector company?

    What the neo-cons are not willing to admit is that every large project built on behalf of gov't, whether it's an aircraft carrier, the Big Dig or the ACA website, is built by private sector companies.

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    The question gets back to oversight and management capability and leadership.

    There is only one company that has built every aircraft carrier since post WWII.  They know what they're doing and the relationship with DOD through NAVSEA is well established.

    The Big Dig was the largest and most complex urban highway project in history.  Sure there were some delays and costs grew as the project worked its way through the environmental approval process that was like a candy store for impacted stakeholders public and private. Politics drove decisions for expediency but in the final analysis Sen Kerry was this the project was a bargain for teh benefits it provided.  Been to downtown Boston, South Boston or driven to the airport lately?  Just think what it would be like without the Big Dig.

    The ACA website was built by multiple firms and developers.  The big problem is the integretion decision of how to combine those resources and provide intregated testing was managed by Seblius.  The executive branch was way too involved in the development, failed to delegate, refused to take the private sector advice that it wasn't ready and no one apparently had the stones to inform POTUS, because due to his lack of leadership skills he has a shoot the messenger style and doesn't like bad news.  Numerous Op Ed's have been written on that last subject.

     

     
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    Having supported numerous software implementations in the private sector, I can honestly say the WH comments don't inspire confidence.  Private sector implementations are just as poorly executed as public sector rollouts.

     
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    Having supported numerous software implementations in the private sector, I can honestly say the WH comments don't inspire confidence.  Private sector implementations are just as poorly executed as public sector rollouts.

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    Some private sector implementations are a disaster, of course. 

    But there is this "thingy" (to use ACC lingo) called accountability in the private sector. People get fired, companies go under. The private sector has a bottom line. Harsh necessary corrections are made. People are judged on results, not good intentions. 

    In the public sector, failure is just an excuse to spend more on the same failure. Results don't matter (as with programs like Head Start and the trillion dollar War on Poverty).With the Obamacare website rollout, no one has been fired or held accountable. That is just outrageous, like spitting in the taxpayers faces, saying the Obama Administration doesnt care about your money'  It is just Monopoly money to these incompetent bureaucrats.

     
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    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:
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    Ummm, wasn't the original website built by a private sector company?

    What the neo-cons are not willing to admit is that every large project built on behalf of gov't, whether it's an aircraft carrier, the Big Dig or the ACA website, is built by private sector companies.

    [/QUOTE]

    The question gets back to oversight and management capability and leadership.

    There is only one company that has built every aircraft carrier since post WWII.  They know what they're doing and the relationship with DOD through NAVSEA is well established.

    The Big Dig was the largest and most complex urban highway project in history.  Sure there were some delays and costs grew as the project worked its way through the environmental approval process that was like a candy store for impacted stakeholders public and private. Politics drove decisions for expediency but in the final analysis Sen Kerry was this the project was a bargain for teh benefits it provided.  Been to downtown Boston, South Boston or driven to the airport lately?  Just think what it would be like without the Big Dig.

    The ACA website was built by multiple firms and developers.  The big problem is the integretion decision of how to combine those resources and provide intregated testing was managed by Seblius.  The executive branch was way too involved in the development, failed to delegate, refused to take the private sector advice that it wasn't ready and no one apparently had the stones to inform POTUS, because due to his lack of leadership skills he has a shoot the messenger style and doesn't like bad news.  Numerous Op Ed's have been written on that last subject.

     

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    "The Big Dig was the largest and most complex urban highway project in history.  Sure there were some delays and costs grew as the project worked its way through the environmental approval process..."

    Hey I suffered for many years as everyone else living there, with Boston traffic, and appreciate the new tunnels.

    Maybe it is a 'bargain', but surely it should have been much more of a bargain; $25 billion wasnt a sale price.

    Isnt it a huge understatement to say there were "some delays and costs"??

    It was beyond absurd....20-30 years and cost overruns beyond belief. Everyone had their hand out, with billions spent on phony "environmental mitigation measures"....

    The public sector in its inefficient dinosaur glory. Cant we learn from mistakes made?

     
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    Re: White House claims Obamacare website fixes are being done with

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:
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    Having supported numerous software implementations in the private sector, I can honestly say the WH comments don't inspire confidence.  Private sector implementations are just as poorly executed as public sector rollouts.

    [/QUOTE]


    Some private sector implementations are a disaster, of course. 

    But there is this "thingy" (to use ACC lingo) called accountability in the private sector. People get fired, companies go under. The private sector has a bottom line. Harsh necessary corrections are made. People are judged on results, not good intentions. 

    In the public sector, failure is just an excuse to spend more on the same failure. Results don't matter (as with programs like Head Start and the trillion dollar War on Poverty).With the Obamacare website rollout, no one has been fired or held accountable. That is just outrageous, like spitting in the taxpayers faces, saying the Obama Administration doesnt care about your money'  It is just Monopoly money to these incompetent bureaucrats.

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    That isn't always the case.  In fact more often than not after a certain point with tremendous amounts of money and time already sunk, the project will be augmented and the scope revised often at considerable cost to the company.  This is why most implementations are done on a time and materials basis, vs fixed price.  I've seen this happen at small companies, fortune 500 companies and everything in between.  And lets not pretend that simply firing people solves the problem, because generally speaking it doesn't.  the root problems are often tied to the contractor over promising and under delvering.  There can be accountability but for it to work well companies and government have to begin excluding contractors who do poorly from future consideration for work.  The idea that an entity can fire its wat to success is myth and out of sorts with reality.

     
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