Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

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    Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    What did you think of the State of the Union Address and the Republican response? Share your thoughts in this forum.

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    The President's claim that his new ideas for federal programs wont raise the deficit, has the same credibility as his promise to halve the deficit in his first term...

    The liberal media will no doubt ignore the substance of Marco Rubio's speech and obsess over his getting a drink of water...

     
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    The President's claim that his new ideas for federal programs wont raise the deficit, has the same credibility as his promise to halve the deficit in his first term...

    The liberal media will no doubt ignore the substance of Marco Rubio's speech and obsess over his getting a drink of water...




    CLC,

    Rubio buried the headline.

    The Republicans just launched a new attack on Social Security.

    Marco Rubio's response to the President's State of the Union absolutely buried the headline: Republicans want to make devastating cuts to Social Security benefits. Maybe you missed it because Rubio awkwardly took a sip of water...sorry but he did... and then tried to sell those cuts to the American people as a plan to reduce the deficit and "save" Social Security.

    The Republican plan to "save" Social Security? It's just another scheme to push down working families and prop up subsidies for big corporations.

     
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    In response to andiejen's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    The President's claim that his new ideas for federal programs wont raise the deficit, has the same credibility as his promise to halve the deficit in his first term...

    The liberal media will no doubt ignore the substance of Marco Rubio's speech and obsess over his getting a drink of water...

     




    CLC,

     

    Rubio buried the headline.

    The Republicans just launched a new attack on Social Security.

    Marco Rubio's response to the President's State of the Union absolutely buried the headline: Republicans want to make devastating cuts to Social Security benefits. Maybe you missed it because Rubio awkwardly took a sip of water...sorry but he did... and then tried to sell those cuts to the American people as a plan to reduce the deficit and "save" Social Security.

    The Republican plan to "save" Social Security? It's just another scheme to push down working families and prop up subsidies for big corporations.



    Really?  Republicans launched an attack on social security?

    You are a fool if you beleive that.  You are a bigger fool if you think Obama is doing anythign to "save" social security.

    Look, the problem is plain and simple.  We are spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in.  This wil lcroak everything, not only social security.  It is already croaking your savings as the real value of the dollar is slipping.

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    Didn't watch it, I just got power back at 5:00 pm yesterday, I had more important things to do.

    After cleaning out the frig, and ordering out (5th night in a row), i chilled and watched a pretty good Bruins game, even though they lost in a shoot out.

    I figured Obama was going to give a campaign speech anyways......

    Am I correct in that assumption? 

     
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    It was grand talk in platitudes and blame republicans again!

    What a shame

     
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    Skeptical to disappointed.  A liberal agenda was rolled out with all kinds of good and mostly bi-partisan goals but how do you pay for?  POTUS claims no new taxes proposed so how do you pay for it?  His new goal to to stabilize the debt and not decrease the debt; so he wants to pay for his programs by not paying down the debt?

    I believe in strong infrastructure investment but lets address the cost and stop widening the infrastructure definition to include schools and expansion for daycare.

    His ACA savings to current healthcare costs were broadly overstated seeing that the program doesn't really kick in until 2014, the recessiion has held back costs.

    I agree with his putting Congress on the spot over debt limit; pay its bills talk and the need to address sequestration.  But be prepared to deal with things that prevetn to create a strawman moment to demonize the other side.

    His speech was very highlevel with very little substance that can be implemented, as he sets up a punt on the economy.

    On gun control; go for what you have support on; background checks closing gunshow loophole; leave the guns and magazines alone unless the point is to create a debate that provides no solutions.

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    Tax us more Barry !

     

    The middle class is already slave to the gimme class.



    Do you actually work?  Besides here... posting here is not actually work.  

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to andiejen's comment:

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    The President's claim that his new ideas for federal programs wont raise the deficit, has the same credibility as his promise to halve the deficit in his first term...

    The liberal media will no doubt ignore the substance of Marco Rubio's speech and obsess over his getting a drink of water...

     




    CLC,

     

    Rubio buried the headline.

    The Republicans just launched a new attack on Social Security.

    Marco Rubio's response to the President's State of the Union absolutely buried the headline: Republicans want to make devastating cuts to Social Security benefits. Maybe you missed it because Rubio awkwardly took a sip of water...sorry but he did... and then tried to sell those cuts to the American people as a plan to reduce the deficit and "save" Social Security.

    The Republican plan to "save" Social Security? It's just another scheme to push down working families and prop up subsidies for big corporations.

     



    Really?  Republicans launched an attack on social security?

     

    You are a fool if you beleive that.  You are a bigger fool if you think Obama is doing anythign to "save" social security.

    Look, the problem is plain and simple.  We are spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in.  This wil lcroak everything, not only social security.  It is already croaking your savings as the real value of the dollar is slipping.




    Oh skeeter,

    And I have always been so civil to you. Never attacking you personally nor ever calling you names and here you start by calling me a "fool" and a " bigger fool". Oh well.

    First, watch Rubio's speech again. Try and filter out how much he is trying to be the anti-Romney and really listen.

    Second, one of the most agressive parts of Obama's speech regarding fiscal matters was pretty easy to understand. He talked about why is deficit reduction so important now that Congress is talking about cuts in Social Security.

    Administration officials couldn’t believe that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) ruled out raising revenue from wealthier taxpayers — while floating proposals last week for replacing the $1.2 trillion sequester that would cut benefits for Medicare and Medicaid recipients.

     

    To the White House, it fit too easily into the president’s long-standing critique of Republicans as protectors of the rich and out of touch with the middle class. Obama, his aides, his Cabinet and his allies on the Hill have gone on the attack, pushing this message at every turn.

     

    The section on the sequester was among the most confrontational of his speech, the latest in his administration’s effort to sell the public on his approach of cuts and tax increases.

     

    He challenged Republicans in a pointed tone, saying “we can’t ask senior citizens and working families to shoulder the entire burden of deficit reduction while asking nothing more from the wealthiest and most powerful.”

     

     



     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    In response to doozy-day's comment:
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    Didn't watch it, I just got power back at 5:00 pm yesterday, I had more important things to do.

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    That's terrible.  You should take issue with your utility company while demanding that the government unfetter them from regulation.

    Last time I checked, the power grid was about 25 years outdated.

     

     

     

     

     
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    In response to chiefhowie's comment:

    Still waiting for America to come home.

     



    It's gonna be a long wait, because your version of America is never coming back.

    Deal with it.

     

     

     
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    Reaction to the reactions:

    If POTUS is indeed incompetent, then CONGRESS is committing malpractice.

    And the latter is far and away a bigger drag on the economy, jobs, energy, education, social progress...you name it.  Their dithering and fecklessness create a vacuum of ideas and/or logic. 

    By holding up cabinet, judicial and executive nominees at such an unprecedented level, they are severely restricting the government from doing the job that the people want it to do - even the normal business that everyone takes for such granted.

     

     
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    Reaction to the reactions:

    If POTUS is indeed incompetent, then CONGRESS is committing malpractice.

    And the latter is far and away a bigger drag on the economy, jobs, energy, education, social progress...you name it.  Their dithering and fecklessness create a vacuum of ideas and/or logic. 

    By holding up cabinet, judicial and executive nominees at such an unprecedented level, they are severely restricting the government from doing the job that the people want it to do - even the normal business that everyone takes for such granted.

     



    Both are guilty.

     

    Obama will never be able to lead unless he truly comes to the table to move forward on common ground issues.  If they move forward on common ground issues then they can talk about the disagreements.  This goes for his complete agenda.

    His real disengenuos act was to end his speech with his gun control crescendo on bringing it to a vote.  Why didn't he say lets enact what we agree on; background checks for criminal and mental health screening, close the gun show loophole and then debate gun type restrictions.  No he wants to create a division and diversion to avoid the difficult economic discussion and solutions.

     

    Rubio was very good except for his awkward drink of water, next time a podium would work so he could comfortably take a drink.

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

     

    Tax us more Barry !

     

    The middle class is already slave to the gimme class.

     



    Do you actually work?  Besides here... posting here is not actually work.  

     

     



    I was hoping you would at least TRY to dispute.. The middle class is already slave to the gimme class.. but same old predictable Rubie.

     

     

    Attack and demean the poster.. ignore the topic.

    Did you try this sh*t in court?



    Do you work?  I bet you are one of the "gimme types" who is full of self loathing.

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    The commander in chief waxed about children being important for our future and how we should be a country where "if you work hard and meet your responsibilities, you can get ahead." Which we are for the most part, anyway. Also, isn't there a rule about how many times you can use the same line in a speech? Doesn't basic etiquette and decency prevent us from ever hearing this again: "A tax code that ensures billionaires with high-powered accountants can't pay a lower rate than their hard-working secretaries." Yes, we know: Warren Buffett is your friend and his secretary pays a higher tax rate that he does. Is this really the only way to demonstrate the tax code needs to be reformed?

    The president has only a few opportunities to speak to the nation, and he blew this one. It was so hackish, so devoid of any theme or purpose, that it makes one wonder whether part of Obama just wants to see how bad he can be before his cultists in the news media can see it. Every speech is exactly what they wish it to be, regardless of reality. His mainstream inaugural speech was treated as a liberal call to arms when it was no such thing. Of course, conservatives thought that. If Obama had announced he just joined the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh would have seen it as proof that he was a socialist. But why liberals would confuse a boilerplate middle-of-the-road inaugural speech with Das Kapital will be forever befuddling.

    Contrary to the claims of both sides, Obama is not a liberal visionary with deep desires to institute a progressive agenda. If he is, he's a miserable failure. You need look no further than his own record (starting with foreign policy) and then Tuesday night's speech for evidence. Banalities and tropes are not a governing philosophy or a plan. The immigration piece was good, but hardly a profile in courage. After all, even the GOP wants immigration reform now. There is also the small fact that Obama promised to deal with immigration in his first term.

    The edict on climate change was despotic, not liberal. I believe climate change is a problem and humans contribute to it. However, 'either do what I say or I will just start issuing executive orders' that make green energy companies rich is not the kind of governing we should be lauding, regardless of party or ideological bent.

    His plea on gun control was manipulative and empty. It worked thematically, but failed on substance. The only point was to make Republicans look bad, while simultaneously lecturing about compromise and the importance of working together.

    Finally, he said the word "deficit," but don't hold your breath for anything there. He spoke of it as if it had just magically appeared yesterday when, in fact, he has been ignoring it for four years while running it up. In that way, he's just like George W. Bush and the GOP-run Congress of yore.

    That this underwhelming State of the Union – substantively and stylistically – will be treated as a serious effort reveals the bad shape our country is really in.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/02/13/kirsten-powers-state-of-the-union/1914215/

     
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    Re: Your reaction to the State of the Union Address

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Reaction to the reactions:

    If POTUS is indeed incompetent, then CONGRESS is committing malpractice.

    And the latter is far and away a bigger drag on the economy, jobs, energy, education, social progress...you name it.  Their dithering and fecklessness create a vacuum of ideas and/or logic. 

    By holding up cabinet, judicial and executive nominees at such an unprecedented level, they are severely restricting the government from doing the job that the people want it to do - even the normal business that everyone takes for such granted.

     

     



    Both are guilty.

     

     

    Obama will never be able to lead unless he truly comes to the table to move forward on common ground issues.  If they move forward on common ground issues then they can talk about the disagreements.  This goes for his complete agenda.

    His real disengenuos act was to end his speech with his gun control crescendo on bringing it to a vote.  Why didn't he say lets enact what we agree on; background checks for criminal and mental health screening, close the gun show loophole and then debate gun type restrictions.  No he wants to create a division and diversion to avoid the difficult economic discussion and solutions.

     

    Rubio was very good except for his awkward drink of water, next time a podium would work so he could comfortably take a drink.



    You can't get much more of common ground than universal background checks.  Gop won't touch them.

    Your idea of "leadership" is fuzzy.  Congress does not want to be led.  If they're "both guilty", then what is congress' responsibility in all this.

    POTUS is doing the right thing by taking the issues to the people in person and gaining public consensus which many in congress choose to ignore.

    Rubio was out of his element.

    The tee partee response was embarrassing and unnecessary.  If I was a goper, I would be ashamed for my party not presenting a united front.  How can anything get done when one of the two major parties - including the majority in the house - can't even get it's own act together and coherent...??

    To be honest, I'm surprised Obama has got as much as he has with the whole carnival of freaks on capitol hill.

     

     

     

     

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