CLAUDE & KESSEL

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL :       You said it all.
    Posted by hockey-101[/QUOTE]

    And the TEAMS results in those games?

    Yeah, I have seen the goals.  I have also seen the continued REFUSAL to play any defense.  And other than the open ice hit he took from Ohlund in his first game back, he has once again shown that he wont take a hit to make a play.

    Yup, he scored goals.  But he also had opportunities to hit cutting skaters for better shots, but he held the puck, as he continually did here.  He also had opportunities to sacrifice his own body to make a play for a teammate.....failed to do so.

    So, yeah.  Phil Kessel WILL be a consistent 35-40 goal scorer.

    That doesnt make him a WINNER!  

    His play proves that he is all about himself.
     
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    [QUOTE]now tell me why would a kid who was so excited to ber drafted by boston, a kid that his own friend blake wheeeler said, if he had is way he would have stayed in boston.why would he want to leave , ill tell u why because they did not treat him the way he should have been treated and that's it. cut th epie the way you want but these thingas always seem tio happen here. We are the laughing stock of all organizations. we will never be a winner, and that's that.
    Posted by marco100[/QUOTE]

    I think I get what your saying!

    The Bruins should have done the following things, to demonstrate to them, that they understand how he wants, and needs, to be treated:

    1.  Tell him that the weight room is 100% optional.  After all, a body that still looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy after 3 years, certainly doesn't need to be improved upon.

    2.  Tell him that he does not have to get back defensively. He has one job, and one job alone...score goals.  You don't have to defend.  Forget the fore and back checking nonsense. Thats not part of your job.  The other guys can check.  You score the goals.  They hit and defend, and they have no business having the puck....they are not the goalscorers....YOU are!

    3.  Tell him to forget about the physical aspect of the game.  He doesn't need to body check, nor does he need to take checks.  Thats overrated.  And besides, when was the last time a player made his team one bit better by taking a hit?  It simply doesn't happen!

    4. Tell him that if your in a slump, and having trouble finding the back of the net, don't worry about it.  Don't waste your time doing the little things. Thats just gonna get in the way of trying to score goals.  And if you get too frustrated....stop skating.  You'll have more energy.

    5.  You also don't have to buy into the team philosophy.  Your linemates should be smart enough to understand that when they want to dump and chase, or cycle, that you don't really need to be involved.  And on a related note, when its time for a line change, and you think you can go through the 5 opposing players....but all means do so!  If your teammates are not expecting that, then they certainly don't know you or your game.  Thats not your problem.

    6.  And about those irritating teammates.  You don't have to interact with them.  Heck, Rajon Rondo sits in his SUV before games and practices.  You can too!  Nobody said you have to speak to your teammates. You have your friend Blake.  Thats enough.  Team bonding is overrated.  For Gods sake Phil, you can build trust in your teammates without getting yourself involved in that pesky defensive play, hitting and taking hits and all that stuff.

    Its just flat out wrong that this organization has any questions about your committment.  How they can question you is beyond me.

    Later
     
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    [QUOTE]           This #1 pick for the Islanders with all the points this year,would he pass the Big bad bruins sniff test?????? no way,this sniff test just stinks in this city.We will not see another cup untill we stop chasing talent away.
    Posted by hockey-101[/QUOTE]

    So, you cant tell the difference between Tavarez and Kessel?

    SERIOUSLY????

    The only common threads between the 2 are that they both are very talented, offensively, and both can fly.

    Now, lets look at the differences.

    Tavares, at 18 or 19 years old, is already a better defensive players than the 4th year Kessel. And even more so than his defensive ability, he consistently gets back at every possible opportunity.

    Also, he gives the puck up when he doesn't have a scoring opportunity for himself. Kessel has an awful goals to assist ratio.  He isnt Cam Neely, who defended with intensity and effort.  He doesn't take the body at all.  He is one dimensional.

    Physically, Tavares is like Crosby...they will CONSISTENTLY take hits, if it helps them and the team.  Kessel?  The guy wont take a hit if his life depends on it.  Oh, he will take one when he doesn't see it coming, but if he knows a hit is coming, he turns his back and sidesteps....even if it means coughing the puck up!

    So, yeah, John Tavares WOULD fit in nicely here. 

    He does the things Kessel REFUSED to do for 3 years....

    * Take hits
    * Backcheck
    * Buy into the team philosophy
    * Pass the puck

    Those are all the things that guys like Krecji do.

    What else does Kessel do, other than score a few goals?  NOTHING!

    The rest of the core forwards all bring more than one thing to the table.

    I'll GLADLY suffer through a rough year or 2. Kessel is not a team player, and his teams will NEVER win anything with a selfish kid like him as their "leader."

    Later
     
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    TWO GOOD posts from JefffromMaine. Its a TEAM game and if you aren't willing to be part of the TEAM, (see Kessel ) you should try a sport like Golf or Tennis.
     
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    [QUOTE]TWO GOOD posts from JefffromMaine. Its a TEAM game and if you aren't willing to be part of the TEAM, (see Kessel ) you should try a sport like Golf or Tennis.
    Posted by scottm50[/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  They were not good posts.

    They were EXCELLENT posts.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : And the TEAMS results in those games? Yeah, I have seen the goals.  I have also seen the continued REFUSAL to play any defense.  And other than the open ice hit he took from Ohlund in his first game back, he has once again shown that he wont take a hit to make a play. Yup, he scored goals.  But he also had opportunities to hit cutting skaters for better shots, but he held the puck, as he continually did here.  He also had opportunities to sacrifice his own body to make a play for a teammate.....failed to do so. So, yeah.  Phil Kessel WILL be a consistent 35-40 goal scorer. That doesnt make him a WINNER!   His play proves that he is all about himself.
    Posted by JefffromMaine[/QUOTE]

    JefffromMaine - thank you.  You have restored my faith in humanity.

    EXCELLENT posts.  You see what I think an intelligent hockey fan sees.

    Oh yes, and you Kessel fans.  Go cheer for the Leafs.  Good luck with that.
     
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    Hahahaha....Ok, I'll give them an excellent rating as well!!!! Kessel will not be missed on this team and we got TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS in return!!!  Oh... and we didn't get handcuffed the huge salary he commanded.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to CLAUDE & KESSEL : I'm a firm believer that a player must respect his coach.  Julien did his part.  Yes he benched him in that playoff series against the Habs but he was horrible the first two games.  All he did was make Kessel a better player and if he never understood that he will one day.  It's not the last time a coach will bench him or show him what he's doing wrong. After that Julien has put him in every situation to make him successful.  Powerplay, Shootout, Penalty killing , 6 on 5 when needed extra skater, the 1ST LINE with Savy. WHAT EGO ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT ?  Oh yes Kessel's ego. There are many prima-donna's in today's professional sports and it's too bad society thinks they need the extra attention.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : I think I get what your saying! The Bruins should have done the following things, to demonstrate to them, that they understand how he wants, and needs, to be treated: 1.  Tell him that the weight room is 100% optional.  After all, a body that still looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy after 3 years, certainly doesn't need to be improved upon. 2.  Tell him that he does not have to get back defensively. He has one job, and one job alone...score goals.  You don't have to defend.  Forget the fore and back checking nonsense. Thats not part of your job.  The other guys can check.  You score the goals.  They hit and defend, and they have no business having the puck....they are not the goalscorers....YOU are! 3.  Tell him to forget about the physical aspect of the game.  He doesn't need to body check, nor does he need to take checks.  Thats overrated.  And besides, when was the last time a player made his team one bit better by taking a hit?  It simply doesn't happen! 4. Tell him that if your in a slump, and having trouble finding the back of the net, don't worry about it.  Don't waste your time doing the little things. Thats just gonna get in the way of trying to score goals.  And if you get too frustrated....stop skating.  You'll have more energy. 5.  You also don't have to buy into the team philosophy.  Your linemates should be smart enough to understand that when they want to dump and chase, or cycle, that you don't really need to be involved.  And on a related note, when its time for a line change, and you think you can go through the 5 opposing players....but all means do so!  If your teammates are not expecting that, then they certainly don't know you or your game.  Thats not your problem. 6.  And about those irritating teammates.  You don't have to interact with them.  Heck, Rajon Rondo sits in his SUV before games and practices.  You can too!  Nobody said you have to speak to your teammates. You have your friend Blake.  Thats enough.  Team bonding is overrated.  For Gods sake Phil, you can build trust in your teammates without getting yourself involved in that pesky defensive play, hitting and taking hits and all that stuff. Its just flat out wrong that this organization has any questions about your committment.  How they can question you is beyond me. Later
    Posted by JefffromMaine[/QUOTE]


    uas a man of experience u do what it takes to win even if it meant (and we do not know that for sure) being disrespected. claude has proven nothing in the nhl , it would have been in his best interest  to get to kess and if he is smart he would have not for kess's sake but ours the fans, and himself because when he gets fired and he will sooner then later , kess will still be playing and showing his magic, he on the other hand will never be a head coach in the nhl again. A wiiner and smart man of experience would have known how to handle him for our benefit not only kess.'s just look at this 2nd rate team now.Garbage they are boring and talentless.
     
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    better hope those pix turn out to be superstars cuz that is where pc's future lies nit only as a bruin gm but as a nhl gm . i guess he can always ask burke for a job after all he did give him kess so safe to say burke now owes him a favor.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : Very good point.  With all the spins on who wanted out or wanted him out this to me proves whom wanted out.  Now we know the theory behind the Leafs decision.
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    u gotta be kidding. First off there is an unwritten rule among gm's aboutoffering sheets to rfa's , that's how u make enemies. secondly if burke had done that the burke knew full well pc could have matched it and retraded him to toronto for what he asked in the first place, so that's nonsense or possibly trade him to another team if they had come forth. kess ale=ways wanted to be a bruin . it's only after they mishandled him that he got pissed off , do u not think that he knew that the deal fell at draft time. U think he would want to stay after that.

    Look, Pc is a lousy gm and cj is a dummie enough said. u will see this for urself, i cannot believe u have not seen it yet. The future will show u, his only redemption are those draft choices and not 4yrs from now they need to step in right away. they need the number 1 overall, if they happen to get say a 8th overall that will mean squat, just ask zach hamill and so many others(yes i know there are exceptions)
     
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    JefffromMaine - thought your posts were right on and very accurate.  Marco incredible that you know how much Kessel wanted to be a bruin but opted to leave for the dollars.  Why could he not have taken a one or two year contract at a reasonable cost - similar to Krejic's or a little higher in value, worked his butt off and showed the team that he deserved more (contracts can always be extended)? Then if management didn't offer him what he thought he should be making, he would have the opportunity to walk - go to Toronto and take their dollars as a UFA. 

    Do you think that he would have been motivated enough to be over his injury and back playing for the Bruins now or would he need some additional time to get healthier?  Part of its ability and the other part is being a showboat - doesn't work well on a team concept.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : So, you cant tell the difference between Tavarez and Kessel? SERIOUSLY???? The only common threads between the 2 are that they both are very talented, offensively, and both can fly. Now, lets look at the differences. Tavares, at 18 or 19 years old, is already a better defensive players than the 4th year Kessel. And even more so than his defensive ability, he consistently gets back at every possible opportunity. Also, he gives the puck up when he doesn't have a scoring opportunity for himself. Kessel has an awful goals to assist ratio.  He isnt Cam Neely, who defended with intensity and effort.  He doesn't take the body at all.  He is one dimensional. Physically, Tavares is like Crosby...they will CONSISTENTLY take hits, if it helps them and the team.  Kessel?  The guy wont take a hit if his life depends on it.  Oh, he will take one when he doesn't see it coming, but if he knows a hit is coming, he turns his back and sidesteps....even if it means coughing the puck up! So, yeah, John Tavares WOULD fit in nicely here.  He does the things Kessel REFUSED to do for 3 years.... * Take hits * Backcheck * Buy into the team philosophy * Pass the puck Those are all the things that guys like Krecji do. What else does Kessel do, other than score a few goals?  NOTHING! The rest of the core forwards all bring more than one thing to the table. I'll GLADLY suffer through a rough year or 2. Kessel is not a team player, and his teams will NEVER win anything with a selfish kid like him as their "leader." Later
    Posted by JefffromMaine[/QUOTE]    You sound like you have season tickets to the Islanders this year.That must be great to be able to focus on Tavares so much.
     
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    [QUOTE]JefffromMaine - thought your posts were right on and very accurate.  Marco incredible that you know how much Kessel wanted to be a bruin but opted to leave for the dollars.  Why could he not have taken a one or two year contract at a reasonable cost - similar to Krejic's or a little higher in value, worked his butt off and showed the team that he deserved more (contracts can always be extended)? Then if management didn't offer him what he thought he should be making, he would have the opportunity to walk - go to Toronto and take their dollars as a UFA.  Do you think that he would have been motivated enough to be over his injury and back playing for the Bruins now or would he need some additional time to get healthier?  Part of its ability and the other part is being a showboat - doesn't work well on a team concept.
    Posted by SouTexBruin[/QUOTE]

    As blake wheeler said if kess had his way he would have stayed in boston. this is also a kid that talked blake into playing in boston. U only watch the finale of this saga, this started along time b4 the offseason. They should have made him priority while he was still on contract. again this does not happen to a team that has a brilliant gm, it just does not. Once kess had enough of course he went where they wanted him most. he never once asked to get traded. this was just bad business on pc part, pc does whatver cj wants, not agood sign for a gm. he's a puppet.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : And the TEAMS results in those games? Yeah, I have seen the goals.  I have also seen the continued REFUSAL to play any defense.  And other than the open ice hit he took from Ohlund in his first game back, he has once again shown that he wont take a hit to make a play. Yup, he scored goals.  But he also had opportunities to hit cutting skaters for better shots, but he held the puck, as he continually did here.  He also had opportunities to sacrifice his own body to make a play for a teammate.....failed to do so. So, yeah.  Phil Kessel WILL be a consistent 35-40 goal scorer. That doesnt make him a WINNER!   His play proves that he is all about himself.
    Posted by JefffromMaine[/QUOTE]


    Your make some valid points, but you can also say that about some others on this team. And none of them are ever getting 40 goals.
     
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    Get over it.. Kessel hasn't won a game for the laffs yet.
     
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    [QUOTE]Bottom line is Julien didnt like Kessel. Ha said it himself... he had to deal with a kid who has been told he is a super star everywhere he goes. Probelm is, he was and is and will be. Its not Kessels fault he is not here. Why would he want to play for soemone he knew wasnt going to put you in the position to prove yourself. When have you ever seen the best pure goal scorer on a team not play on the first power play (with his line mate mind you). Who'd you see in a shootout when you needed to win though? he only put him in teh position when he absolutley had to. Julien didnt like him and he knew it and thats why he is gone. He woudl have scored 50 last year if was on the first power play. No doubt.  
    Posted by ryder73[/QUOTE]

    No he did NOT!

    Claude Julien did NOT say that he didnt like Kessel.

    Its one thing to support an opinion.....its another to flat out LIE!

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : u gotta be kidding. First off there is an unwritten rule among gm's about offering sheets to rfa's , that's how u make enemies. secondly if burke had done that the burke knew full well pc could have matched it and retraded him to toronto for what he asked in the first place, so that's nonsense or possibly trade him to another team if they had come forth.
    Posted by marco100[/QUOTE]
    Sorry to nit-pick, but once you match on an offer sheet you can't trade the player for a year from the date of the matching.  Chiarelli could have traded him starting next year, but I don't think that is what you meant by re-traded.
    You are right that Burke was probably trying to do the 'right' thing by working out a trade first.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: CLAUDE & KESSEL : u gotta be kidding. First off there is an unwritten rule among gm's aboutoffering sheets to rfa's , that's how u make enemies. secondly if burke had done that the burke knew full well pc could have matched it and retraded him to toronto for what he asked in the first place, so that's nonsense or possibly trade him to another team if they had come forth. kess ale=ways wanted to be a bruin . it's only after they mishandled him that he got pissed off , do u not think that he knew that the deal fell at draft time. U think he would want to stay after that. Look, Pc is a lousy gm and cj is a dummie enough said. u will see this for urself, i cannot believe u have not seen it yet. The future will show u, his only redemption are those draft choices and not 4yrs from now they need to step in right away. they need the number 1 overall, if they happen to get say a 8th overall that will mean squat, just ask zach hamill and so many others(yes i know there are exceptions)
    Posted by marco100[/QUOTE]

    Man, you have quite the spin on things.

    So, according to your "logic", Kessel must have surely been the only player in the history of the NHL to have heard his name uttered in trade talks.  And CERTAINLY he is the only one who has ever had his name spoken about in trade, but was not dealt at the time.

    Interesting.

    Now, that fantasy land is over.....

    How come it is that many, MANY other players (many of whom are better than Kessel) have been talked about in trade, but yet had the MATURITY to not ask for a trade.

    Why is it that Kessel didn't have that same INTEGRITY and MATURITY?

    Being a professional athletes brings on certain things....trade talk among them.
    If Wayne Gretzky can hear his name bandied about.....the Phil Kessel needs to shut his crybaby mouth and sick it up!

    Hall of Famers have been dealt....some multiple times!  And they still shut their mouths and did not cry.

    Also, kind of funny that NOT ONE teammate stood up for such a great "team player."  I havent heard, or seen, comments from a single player in which they stood up for him.  Thats just about unheard of.  Its very uncommon for a great and popular teammate to be traded, without a number of teammates making comments about it.

    The Bruin players silence is deafening.

    Julien bent over backwards to accommodate this prima donna.  He knew Kessel hated the weight room.  So, rather than fine him or suspend him (which many coaches would have done) he tried to take the Fatherly approach.  He also tried to use teammates as mentors.

    But you have heard the same stories....Kessel REFUSED all attempts to use the weight room, and he became the source of jokes by his teammates about his refusal to work on his conditioning.

    When a player becomes the brunt of jokes for his lack of committment to the team, and they dont stand up for him as he is traded....you know he was not liked by his teammates.

    I'll tell you what....I would not want to play with a "teammate" like that.  Regardless of talent, when you refuse to do the things that you need to do to improve conditioning, you are slapping your teammates in the face!

    Heck, Chara and others have spoken of his unwillingness to listen to the veterans advice on life in the NHL.  He refused to listen to their advice on playing the game.

    Thats a prima donna.....NOT a player who was treated unfairly.

    When you dont buy into the team philosophy and dont work on your conditioning, your NOT a team player!

    Later
     

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