To fire or not to fire that is the question!

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    Correct!  There are too many threads about the coach.
     
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    Yes, I realize injuries are generally viewed as an excuse.  Bear with me.

    Right now, most successful teams have ~$35M  spent on forwards.  The Bruins team on the ice last night?  About $25M.  With Krejčí back, it goes up to about $28M.  Part of this discrepancy is the way the team is built (the Bruins can only go as high as $32M without moving $ from D or goal) but the bigger part is injuries.

    It certainly doesn't seem to be the only problem facing this team right now.  However, especially given that this team appears to be built to get its offense primarily from forwards, being that short-handed is going to exaggerate underlying problems.

    It's not a matter of losing player A resulting in losing A's worth effectiveness from the team.  In my opinion, the Bruins were able to win earlier games in the season largely on the back of Thomas and the effectiveness of the KHL line.  What happened?  Thomas came back to earth some (inevitable) and Krejčí got injured.  With him out, that line lost its instant effectiveness, and the offense has not been able to recover.

    Did someone step up while he was out?  No.  That's a problem.  Has the team tightened up on defense in acceptance to the loss of offense?  Not really.  That may be a problem.  Has the team looked like it wanted to win most nights?  Not nearly enough.  That's a problem too (though I suspect some perception of this comes from the system - it's meant to be efficient, and efficient often looks lazy).

    How much of this is injury, how much Julien, and how much the players?  That's a tangled web, and I doubt any of the "quick fix" options would be effective and lasting.

    No, Julien stays at least until he has the set of centers the team was built to rely on.  If that never happens?  Then get used to Julien being around.  I doubt he gets fired just to give the team a ~30 game boost in play.
     
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    Chowdah,  just got it thanks. 
    Dubai was a "freak show"  Thanks. 
    Was in Boston for Thanksgiving and the matinee , great time but could have been better if they had played better.
    Back to the coach , I think the team will see some real intense practices before the Flyers game and work on their PK . 
    Funny how last season Paille was their best PK specialist and since being inserted back in the lineup against the Canes and last night their PK has looked horrible.  I don't think it's Paille fault just a weird coincidence.
     
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    Watching Claude Julien coach your favorite team is like watching a train wreck.  You know it won't end well but it is very hard to look away.
     
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    Your poll question is different from the result you were looking for.  Should he be fired is a different question than will he.

    He definately should be fired!  This team does not show up to play for him or his dreadfully boring system (to watch or play in).  In 2006 we were horrible, he did a great job of getting us back to the playoffs, but that's as good as Claude can do.

    Since second half of 08-09 this team does not take CJ seriously.  After slow starts, lack of finishing games, blowing games 4,5,6,7 in a series, or 10 game losing streaks, the players all say exactly the right things to the media about how they need to do better start faster blah blah, but in the end they have no reprocussions for not doing so.  Why do you think a bad 5 game losing streak turned to 10, or letting the series get to be 3-2 then 3-3 then blowing philly out of the building in the 1st just to quit playing the last half of the game.

    Ugly, get rid of Claude!
     
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    Right on JYASO!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: To fire or not to fire that is the question! : Tell me tell me who ??? btw I voted " Yes, he'll be behind the bench the whole season.  It's just not the answer yet.  All teams go through slumps and bad play during a season and let's just say this is the time for the Bruins, now. Sure I've commented on some of Juliens decisions and disagreed but being a hockey coach is also not my profession.  I'm just a fan that likes to comment with my views. I'm sure there's so much that goes on behind the scenes , in the dressing room , at practices that us fans can't see or hear about therefore don't have a clue why such coaching decisions were made. Besides another coach as soon as they slump would be getting the " Fire him " treatment sooner or later.
    Posted by BsLegion[/QUOTE]

    Glad to have you back . How was your trip ?

    I'm ok with people voicing their opinions on the 'fire the coach' thing .I understand their frustrations with Julien and it's understandable. Some of things he does leaves me shaking my head also. But if a poster does the 'OCD' routine on any topic (eg. Kessel , Julien , Jacobs, etc.) where that's all they post about , it kind of shows that their hockey knowledge is limited to one topic. Does saying the same thing over and over again but in different words tell it any different then before ?

    And I think your last line is a good one . Once that new coach comes in and has a losing streak then the cycle starts all over again.

    My beef is , say what you want but don't sound like a broken record. It only makes others want to skip your posts because they already know what you are going to say.

    There are some really knowledgeable hockey people on this board that have great commentary on everything then there's the one's who say the same thing over and over again. Which poster would anybody go to, to see what they have to say ?
     
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    [QUOTE]For those of you waiting for a healthy squad.  Take a number, sit back and relax, because there is no such thing.  Injuries are an excuse.  One that should not be used for effort, hard work, determination, aggressiveness, or being "tough to play against".  Savard & Sturm are not going to be saviors for what this team lacks.  I am not expecting either to have a sizeable impact on this team.  IMHO, their injuries will have long lasting, career changing affects on their games. Chowda - Ever think that people like me recognize your sarcasm and voted for the last answer because of it.  What? What is said in this forum doesn't dictate what happens in the front office, or on the ice, or in the locker room?  Say it isn't so Chowda.  I am devastated. I agree with yep123, never a fan of Claude and his system.  If he were to be fired, I wouldn't mind seeing Scott Gordon or Kevin Dineen behind the bench.  
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    PC is reading and is on his way to interview Gordon and Dineen . No need to be devastated , he also recognizes your hockey smarts and you are on the short list of heading to the front office along with Stanley. Devastation solved !
     
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    [QUOTE]Your poll question is different from the result you were looking for.  Should he be fired is a different question than will he. He definately should be fired!  This team does not show up to play for him or his dreadfully boring system (to watch or play in).  In 2006 we were horrible, he did a great job of getting us back to the playoffs, but that's as good as Claude can do. Since second half of 08-09 this team does not take CJ seriously.  After slow starts, lack of finishing games, blowing games 4,5,6,7 in a series, or 10 game losing streaks, the players all say exactly the right things to the media about how they need to do better start faster blah blah, but in the end they have no reprocussions for not doing so.  Why do you think a bad 5 game losing streak turned to 10, or letting the series get to be 3-2 then 3-3 then blowing philly out of the building in the 1st just to quit playing the last half of the game. Ugly, get rid of Claude!
    Posted by bigbadbruinsfan[/QUOTE]

    The results were exactly what I wanted ! Answering yes or no was a normal way to answer the question. I put in the last answer as a sarcastic one . I didn't think there would be anyone who would be arrogant or dumb enough to put that in as their answer thinking their multiple, repetitive posts would decide whether CJ gets fired or not. But guess what, there were 6. 
     
    Laughable and sad at the same time !

    P.S. Your last 16 posts have all been about firing Julien. Before that you haven't posted since August . How did you vote ? It was easy to identify where one of these votes came from .
     
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    [QUOTE]Agree 100%.Let him coach a healthy squad before writing him off. THIS IS ABSOLUTE B.S. Do you hear the same excuses from the Patriots.  They don't make excuses for players being hurt.  They go out and execute the game plan with consistency and effort.  Yeah, their are a couple of bad games here and there (Browns), but they adjust from their mistakes and are consistent--- Good Coaching! The Bruins are a MESS!  It is 100% lack of leadership that they are missing.  Their coach makes excuses that you will never here from the Patriots coaching staff.  The Bruins need a change, and have needed a change for almost 2 years.
    Posted by JYaso[/QUOTE]

    Very good post.  Last night was very predicable when you have a Coach who will not hold his players accountable and is more than willing to use missing players as an excuse.  There was no reason for the players to be motivated last night.
     
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    I don't think he'll be fired but I also know this team will go no where with him.  The lack of accountability of the players will destroy them in the end. 

    A Wheeler quote: “Spotting teams three goals a night, sooner you’re later you’re going to run out of juice,” said Wheeler. “You’re not going to be able to come back all the time. The things we talk about before games, they’re not happening. That’s the frustrating part, the disappointing part, is that some guys are on the same page and some guys aren’t on the same page. It only takes one who’s not on the same page as the other four and it makes it tough.

    “Until we get back to (having) everyone on the same page - like we were at the beginning of the year - and everyone with all their chips in all the time, it’s going to be a struggle.”

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20101128sreaking_thrashers_beat_bruins_4-1/

     

    Interesting parts of the quote: not everyone on same page, and not doing things talked about in pre-game.  This team has tuned Julien out and he needs to go.

     
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    I've bashed CJ all over this blog for the last few seasons, never been a fan of his system, he seems like a nice enough person but as a coach I dont agree w/ what I see on the ice; given you cant have a clown or blow-out speeches every game as these guys are millionaire athletes that will not respond to those rants if given on a consistant basis, however that collapsing system & trap neutral zone play really is stagnant for players this will drag their energy, creativity, skill set, tempo, etc out of them before the game even starts...I truly believe that is why this team is always off to rough starts.
     
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    What do current injuries have to do with the last 2 yrs ? Same $hiit different day. As far as repetition goes- it's hard not to repeat the same old subjects when the same old issues have been evident since CJ was coaching in NJ.
    You know-like CJ deciding Paille was ready for the 1st line last year, and Seguin is demoted to the 4th this year...how do injuries apply to that situation?
    2+2=4 every day of the week

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: To fire or not to fire that is the question! : The results were exactly what I wanted ! Answering yes or no was a normal way to answer the question. I put in the last answer as a sarcastic one . I didn't think there would be anyone who would be arrogant or dumb enough to put that in as their answer thinking their multiple, repetitive posts would decide whether CJ gets fired or not. But guess what, there were 6.    Laughable and sad at the same time ! P.S. Your last 16 posts have all been about firing Julien. Before that you haven't posted since August . How did you vote ? It was easy to identify where one of these votes came from .
    Posted by Chowdahkid-[/QUOTE]

    Tell me tell me who ???
    btw I voted " Yes, he'll be behind the bench the whole season.  It's just not the answer yet.  All teams go through slumps and bad play during a season and let's just say this is the time for the Bruins, now.
    Sure I've commented on some of Juliens decisions and disagreed but being a hockey coach is also not my profession.  I'm just a fan that likes to comment with my views. I'm sure there's so much that goes on behind the scenes , in the dressing room , at practices that us fans can't see or hear about therefore don't have a clue why such coaching decisions were made.
    Besides another coach as soon as they slump would be getting the " Fire him " treatment sooner or later.
     
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    Other teams have key players out and they play for their coach.  The Bruins are missing one playmaker.  That has nothing to do with the way they're playing.  They are playing with no fire, no consistency and no creativity.

    This team is beginning to look exactly like the team from last year.  Especially with that first period fire, next two, frostbite Carolina game.  And with all the talent on this team not clicking and making tape to tape passes and playing with inspired creativity, you have to wonder if the captain of the ship has the right bearing.

    This team should be destroying teams in the bottom third of the league.
     
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    The team didn't choke Buffalo. The B's took advantage of a very tired Ryan Miller. 81 games he played! If Ryan Miller was the same goalie he was in the Oylmpics the B's would've been toast. Also Buffalo was without a healthy Vanek for most of the series. I don't think CJ's coaching had much to do with B's advancing. The team needed adjustments in the Philly series & CJ couldn't/wouldn't provide it. Laviollette put CJ in his back pocket when it came to coaching.
     
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    Agree 100%.Let him coach a healthy squad before writing him off.

    THIS IS ABSOLUTE B.S.

    Do you hear the same excuses from the Patriots.  They don't make excuses for players being hurt.  They go out and execute the game plan with consistency and effort.  Yeah, their are a couple of bad games here and there (Browns), but they adjust from their mistakes and are consistent--- Good Coaching!

    The Bruins are a MESS!  It is 100% lack of leadership that they are missing.  Their coach makes excuses that you will never here from the Patriots coaching staff.  The Bruins need a change, and have needed a change for almost 2 years.
     
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    When Detroit, Pittsburgh and Chicago won the last 3 Stanley Cups all their key playmakers and Dmen were 100% healthy that is an undisputable fact. If the Bruins stay in this slump with healthy playmakers then Chiarelli must take action.

    The reason why the Bruins were the #2 offensive team in the NHL during the 09' season was because they had puck possession that is not possible when you're 2 best set up men are on the shelf. Julien was the coach during the 09' season that is also undisputable. Krejci and Savard were healthy during that season also undisputable.
     
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    For those of you waiting for a healthy squad.  Take a number, sit back and relax, because there is no such thing.  Injuries are an excuse.  One that should not be used for effort, hard work, determination, aggressiveness, or being "tough to play against".  Savard & Sturm are not going to be saviors for what this team lacks.  I am not expecting either to have a sizeable impact on this team.  IMHO, their injuries will have long lasting, career changing affects on their games.

    Chowda - Ever think that people like me recognize your sarcasm and voted for the last answer because of it.  What? What is said in this forum doesn't dictate what happens in the front office, or on the ice, or in the locker room?  Say it isn't so Chowda.  I am devastated.

    I agree with yep123, never a fan of Claude and his system.  If he were to be fired, I wouldn't mind seeing Scott Gordon or Kevin Dineen behind the bench.  
     
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    Does Julien have a 100% healthy team ? No! The Bruins with a healthy Savard and Sturm will be a better, deeper (most importantly) hockey club.

    When Julien has a 100% healthy team (09' edition) can his team win games decisively ? Yes Boston crushed it in 09' #2 in the league in Offense coached by yours truly Claude Julien.

    Did Julien's coaching beat Lindy Ruff's Sabres in the 10' playoffs even though the Bruins were depleted with injury ? Yes Julien adjusted his coaching style to choke Buffalo's forwards.

    PS. The Bruins horrible play lately has made some panic but were back to PC thinking that he would be OK for now with having no offense form his defense. Chiarelli must move quickly on bringing in an offensive minded defenseman. Wheeler and a pick should bring in such a Dman as Julien can't make Siendenberg, Ference and Stuart score more points.
     
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    [QUOTE]The team didn't choke Buffalo. The B's took advantage of a very tired Ryan Miller. 81 games he played! If Ryan Miller was the same goalie he was in the Oylmpics the B's would've been toast. Also Buffalo was without a healthy Vanek for most of the series. I don't think CJ's coaching had much to do with B's advancing. The team needed adjustments in the Philly series & CJ couldn't/wouldn't provide it. Laviollette put CJ in his back pocket when it came to coaching.
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE]
    sounds like you think going down 3-0 was part of Laviolette's plan.
     
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    [QUOTE]Does Julien have a 100% healthy team ? No! The Bruins with a healthy Savard and Sturm will be a better, deeper (most importantly) hockey club. When Julien has a 100% healthy team (09' edition) can his team win games decisively ? Yes Boston crushed it in 09' #2 in the league in Offense coached by yours truly Claude Julien. Did Julien's coaching beat Lindy Ruff's Sabres in the 10' playoffs even though the Bruins were depleted with injury ? Yes Julien adjusted his coaching style to choke Buffalo's forwards. PS. The Bruins horrible play lately has made some panic but were back to PC thinking that he would be OK for now with having no offense form his defense. Chiarelli must move quickly on bringing in an offensive minded defenseman. Wheeler and a pick should bring in such a Dman as Julien can't make Siendenberg, Ference and Stuart score more points.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]
    Agree 100%.Let him coach a healthy squad before writing him off.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: To fire or not to fire that is the question! : The only reason the Bruins didn't sweep was because of Miller. Siedenberg, Stuart and Savard were all out in the Sabre series so the Vanek excuse is invalid.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.
     
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    In Response to Re: To fire or not to fire that is the question!:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: To fire or not to fire that is the question! : What series where you watching? Miller was solid as a rock (maybe there best player) and so was Rask.  I'm not even going to go into the bruins that where limping in that series.Posted by pauly1[/QUOTE]

    The only reason the Bruins didn't sweep was because of Miller. Siedenberg, Stuart and Savard were all out in the Sabre series so the Vanek excuse is invalid.
     
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    [QUOTE]The team didn't choke Buffalo. The B's took advantage of a very tired Ryan Miller. 81 games he played! If Ryan Miller was the same goalie he was in the Oylmpics the B's would've been toast. Also Buffalo was without a healthy Vanek for most of the series. I don't think CJ's coaching had much to do with B's advancing. The team needed adjustments in the Philly series & CJ couldn't/wouldn't provide it. Laviollette put CJ in his back pocket when it came to coaching.
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE] What series where you watching? Miller was solid as a rock (maybe there best player) and so was Rask.
     I'm not even going to go into the bruins that where limping in that series.
     

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