1.3 over- who moves?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from NeelyOrrBourque. Show NeelyOrrBourque's posts

    1.3 over- who moves?

    Off the current roster? Someone will have to go. Kelly maybe? 

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to NeelyOrrBourque's comment:

    Off the current roster? Someone will have to go. Kelly maybe? 



    Thornton is he @1.3

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Savard - to the LTIR.

    That puts them at 2,665,833 under the cap.

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from days-of-Orr. Show days-of-Orr's posts

    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to red75's comment:

    Savard - to the LTIR.

    That puts them at 2,665,833 under the cap.




    are the B'S allowed to carry that cap total all season?....

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Thornton should go anyways but he doesn't need too with Savards LTIR.





     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to days-of-Orr's comment:

     

     

    are the B'S allowed to carry that cap total all season?....

     



    Yes, and since Savard is never going to play again there are ways they could possibly massage the system to buy even a little more cap space. This is best explained by cap geek

     

     

    All of this is best explained with an example: The upper limit is $70.0 million and a team has a cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" of $71.5 million on the final day of training camp. Player A, carrying a $2.0 million cap hit, is placed on LTIR that day. The club is deemed to have already replaced the injured player and is not eligible for any additional relief, meaning if Player A stays on LTIR all year, the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" cannot exceed $71.5 million.

    That same team, on the same day, could have loaned two players with cap hits totalling $1.5 million to the minors, reducing their cap payroll to $70.0 million (exactly the upper limit). Then, on opening day, the team could have placed Player A on LTIR, thus allowing their cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" to reach $72.0M with replacement players. In other words, this subtle change in LTIR placement gives the team access to an additional $500,000 in cap space throughout the season if the player stays on LTIR. After placing the player on LTIR on opening day, the team could then recall the two demoted players earning $1.5M and still have $500,000 of cap space.

    Once the injured player is healthy, the team must reduce its cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" below the upper limit before the player can be removed from LTIR.

    Please note that CapGeek.com's off-season estimates do not take into account the possibility of LTIR due to the obvious unpredictable variables and the complexity of the calculations. During the season, CapGeek.com's cap space figures estimate maximum potential LTI relief, essentially assuming the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" was equivalent to the upper limit at the time of the LTIR transaction.

    There is no formal designation of "replacement players." The league can challenge the determination of a club physician that a player is unfit to play for purposes of LTIR.

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    no way. Kelly deserves a chance to have a bounce back year. 

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to red75's comment:

    In response to days-of-Orr's comment:

     

     

    are the B'S allowed to carry that cap total all season?....

     



    Yes, and since Savard is never going to play again there are ways they could possibly massage the system to buy even a little more cap space. This is best explained by cap geek

     

     

    All of this is best explained with an example: The upper limit is $70.0 million and a team has a cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" of $71.5 million on the final day of training camp. Player A, carrying a $2.0 million cap hit, is placed on LTIR that day. The club is deemed to have already replaced the injured player and is not eligible for any additional relief, meaning if Player A stays on LTIR all year, the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" cannot exceed $71.5 million.

    That same team, on the same day, could have loaned two players with cap hits totalling $1.5 million to the minors, reducing their cap payroll to $70.0 million (exactly the upper limit). Then, on opening day, the team could have placed Player A on LTIR, thus allowing their cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" to reach $72.0M with replacement players. In other words, this subtle change in LTIR placement gives the team access to an additional $500,000 in cap space throughout the season if the player stays on LTIR. After placing the player on LTIR on opening day, the team could then recall the two demoted players earning $1.5M and still have $500,000 of cap space.

    Once the injured player is healthy, the team must reduce its cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" below the upper limit before the player can be removed from LTIR.

    Please note that CapGeek.com's off-season estimates do not take into account the possibility of LTIR due to the obvious unpredictable variables and the complexity of the calculations. During the season, CapGeek.com's cap space figures estimate maximum potential LTI relief, essentially assuming the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" was equivalent to the upper limit at the time of the LTIR transaction.

    There is no formal designation of "replacement players." The league can challenge the determination of a club physician that a player is unfit to play for purposes of LTIR.




    thanx Red for additional info....

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to red75's comment:

    Savard - to the LTIR.

    That puts them at 2,665,833 under the cap.




    Bingo.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from NeelyOrrBourque. Show NeelyOrrBourque's posts

    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    My bad for starting the thread. I thought that capgeek included LTIR's. Thx Red for helping out.

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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Yah dope Nite!





     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    All of this is best explained with an example: The upper limit is $70.0 million and a team has a cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" of $71.5 million on the final day of training camp. Player A, carrying a $2.0 million cap hit, is placed on LTIR that day. The club is deemed to have already replaced the injured player and is not eligible for any additional relief, meaning if Player A stays on LTIR all year, the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" cannot exceed $71.5 million.

    That same team, on the same day, could have loaned two players with cap hits totalling $1.5 million to the minors, reducing their cap payroll to $70.0 million (exactly the upper limit). Then, on opening day, the team could have placed Player A on LTIR, thus allowing their cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" to reach $72.0M with replacement players. In other words, this subtle change in LTIR placement gives the team access to an additional $500,000 in cap space throughout the season if the player stays on LTIR. After placing the player on LTIR on opening day, the team could then recall the two demoted players earning $1.5M and still have $500,000 of cap space.

    Once the injured player is healthy, the team must reduce its cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" below the upper limit before the player can be removed from LTIR.

    Please note that CapGeek.com's off-season estimates do not take into account the possibility of LTIR due to the obvious unpredictable variables and the complexity of the calculations. During the season, CapGeek.com's cap space figures estimate maximum potential LTI relief, essentially assuming the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" was equivalent to the upper limit at the time of the LTIR transaction.

    There is no formal designation of "replacement players." The league can challenge the determination of a club physician that a player is unfit to play for purposes of LTIR.

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    Super explanation but had to read three times to understand what I still think I read????

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Even without LTIR according to capgeek:

    FORWARDS
    Milan Lucic ($6.000m) / David Krejci ($5.250m) / Jarome Iginla ($6.000m) 
    Brad Marchand ($4.500m) / Patrice Bergeron ($5.000m) / Loui Eriksson ($4.250m) 
    Carl Soderberg ($1.008m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m) / ???
    Daniel Paille ($1.300m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Shawn Thornton ($1.100m) 
    Marc Savard ($4.027m) / 
    DEFENSEMEN
    Zdeno Chara ($6.917m) / Johnny Boychuk ($3.367m) 
    Dennis Seidenberg ($3.250m) / Dougie Hamilton ($1.494m) 
    Matt Bartkowski ($0.650m) / Adam McQuaid ($1.567m) 
    GOALTENDERS
    Tuukka Rask ($7.000m) 
    Chad Johnson ($0.600m) 
    ------
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,879,643; BONUSES: $4,937,500
    CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,242,857

    That leaves $1.2M to fit one player in, then still have Savard's money still left.  It get's pretty tight with Krug instead of Bartkowski, and leaves no room for spares - but no one has to go.

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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Thornton has to ...ALLELUIA !  The 3 stooges are gone : Pandolfo, PEV, Thornton...Thank God 

     Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011 & 4 more Cups by 2020

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    The could also use the bonus cushion on Iginlas contract if they needed as well

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

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    Thornton has to ...ALLELUIA !  The 3 stooges are gone : Pandolfo, PEV, Thornton...Thank God 

     Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011 & 4 more Cups by 2020



    Thornton sticks around sorry Stanley, but Peverly is gone1 out of 2 for ya ain't bad.

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

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    In response to StanleyCuptotheBruinsin2011's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    Thornton has to ...ALLELUIA !  The 3 stooges are gone : Pandolfo, PEV, Thornton...Thank God 

     Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011 & 4 more Cups by 2020

     



    Thornton sticks around sorry Stanley, but Peverly is gone1 out of 2 for ya ain't bad.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No way ...how could possibly a non talented player could remain on the roster of one of the best team in the NHL ...he has now became the joke of the league...give me a break ...

     
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    PEV is gone but not far enough...shipped to Dallas..I would have prefered Kazakhstan

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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:

    Yah dope Nite!





     



    LOL! I know eh? Foot in Mouth

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to Rufus604's comment:

    The could also use the bonus cushion on Iginlas contract if they needed as well




     Cap geek's total doesn't include all of the $6M for Iginla. For some reason it's not the 1.8M salary, but closer to $3M - something to do with minimum cap hit in a bonus laden contract?

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:

    Yah dope Nite!



    Second!  Yah dope!

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?


    If anybody does go, maybe McQuaid? The three young d-men would all play if that happened.

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    optimum moves would be to replace Thornton with Fraser; and as Book noted the hit is "3" for Iginla , leaving "3' available or less if Caron replaces Thornton and Fraser fills in on 3rd line with Soderberg and Kelly. On defense, it's time to move Boychuck rather than McQ mainly because McQ 'sees" the ice better, and uses his wrist shot more accurately and less damaging to his own forwards than Boychuck's wild slapper.

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    I don't think McQuaid goes. He's a young stay at home defenseman who should have an up year if he's fully recovered from his injuries.

     
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    Re: 1.3 over- who moves?

    Hard to say. A lot depends on when Bergeron gets extended and for what.

    I could see them dumping Boychuk for a pick. 3.4 million for the next 2 years seems high. McQuaid seems the better value as he's got 2 years at 1.56...but the Bruins are smart in realizing you can never have too much defense.

    As good a guy as he's been for this team (notice I didn't say player), I could see (and would be fine with) them getting rid of Thornton. I think Claude would actually cry if they did though.

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