In response to marco0863's comment:
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All r ight didn't get that how about agree to disagree for now and get back to it at another time

Ill agree I am stubborn very true but believe it or not if I'm mistaken I will say it with much reluctance but I will admit ut.

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OK, and if the day ever comes where Kessel does something thatproves he deserves to be in the NHL, I will admit that, too (with reluctance).