Captain Caveman

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    Captain Caveman

    I know a lot of you have a crush on Mark Stuart, but I am going to say it anyway.  Mr. "Caveman Strength" with all the intangibles and the character to be the captain of this team (LOL), needs to come down with the boogaloo flu and spend some time up in the press box.  He has been the Bruins worst player, period.  The only d man with a minus on the team.  Can't skate, can't pass, can't accept a pass, and is frequently out of position.  He has had some great hits this season, but enough of the ball washing, he is a 21st overall pick, who is another 1st round bust for the Bruins.  Oh yeah, he has no offensive game either.  I would rather see McQuaid in the line up.
     
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    As big a fan as I am of Stuart there was a reason he wqas only signed to a 1 year contract he hasn't proved he deserves a Ferrence or Boychuk contract. He has played poorly at times and yesterday was glaring.

    I gave Hunwick time to right his ways he has done so and I have problems with his game since the spleen injury. For now I'm giving Stuart time to right his ways because when he is on he sets a tone as commented on by Jack. This is not a bust!

               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-o43Gb116Q

    That game was a crucial last year which the Bruins ended up wining 5-1 you can't replace that with a more offensive minded Dman. Who would you have in mind to bring and replace Stuart ?
     
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    SanDog - Didn't even have to watch the clip, I remember the game.  One of the very few bright spots for Stuart last season.  As a 21st overall pick in the draft, an occasional 2 fight game in the regular season does not do it for me.  He was supposed to be a top 4 defenseman that could do it all.  He clearly is a 5 or 6 d man who blocks shots, sometimes to a fault, fights every once in awhile and delivers a bone jarring hit once a month.  That type of player can be found in the latter rounds of the draft, not what I consider a first round pick and why I consider him a bust.  In addition, why must he receive the chance to right his ways in the games?  Doesn't a game or two in the press box sometimes help players right the way as well?  As I said before, McQuaid has shown more then Mark has this season.  Just as Claude doesn't know when to call a time out in a game, he doesn't know how to use his healthy scratches to build competition either.
     
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    In Response to Captain Caveman:
    [QUOTE]I know a lot of you have a crush on Mark Stuart, but I am going to say it anyway.  Mr. "Caveman Strength" with all the intangibles and the character to be the captain of this team (LOL), needs to come down with the boogaloo flu and spend some time up in the press box.  He has been the Bruins worst player, period.  The only d man with a minus on the team.  Can't skate, can't pass, can't accept a pass, and is frequently out of position.  He has had some great hits this season, but enough of the ball washing, he is a 21st overall pick, who is another 1st round bust for the Bruins.  Oh yeah, he has no offensive game either.  I would rather see McQuaid in the line up.
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    He is good at screening TT or Rask!!! HIS PLAY IS PATHETIC!!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]SanDog - Didn't even have to watch the clip, I remember the game.  One of the very few bright spots for Stuart last season.  As a 21st overall pick in the draft, an occasional 2 fight game in the regular season does not do it for me.  He was supposed to be a top 4 defenseman that could do it all.  He clearly is a 5 or 6 d man who blocks shots, sometimes to a fault, fights every once in awhile and delivers a bone jarring hit once a month.  That type of player can be found in the latter rounds of the draft, not what I consider a first round pick and why I consider him a bust.  In addition, why must he receive the chance to right his ways in the games?  Doesn't a game or two in the press box sometimes help players right the way as well?  As I said before, McQuaid has shown more then Mark has this season.  Just as Claude doesn't know when to call a time out in a game, he doesn't know how to use his healthy scratches to build competition either.
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure ANYONE thought he was the type of defenseman that could "do it all".  I know I didn't.  I thought he'd become a physical, stay-at-home type that would play a sound defensive game.  But that just hasn't happened.....yet.
     
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    I watched Stuart play a lot as Bruins prospect at Colorado College, and I always felt like he was defensive specialist with limited offensive potential, even as a prospect.  He has been pretty bad so far this year, but I thought he was a key component to the D-corps last year.

    Further, we don't have any better options, so we better just let him play his way out of this funk.  I think the Bruins really need to tweak their seemingly rigid defensive zone system, both for defending rushes and their breakout from the zone.  Both have become very predictable and other teams seem to have figured out exactly what the Bruins game plan is.  The book is out on Claude's system and he needs to be adjustments. 

    I think this is what really hurts guys like Stuart.  All of the Bruins D-men are getting beat wide regularly, because everyone knows they will collapse into the middle.  With fairly easy entry into the zone and fairly easy set-up on the half boards, guys like Stuart are chasing set plays and multiple passing options from the attacking team.  The system looks broken to me...
     
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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/06/20/mckeens_stuart/

    One scout said "if he develops a decent offensive touch, he has the upside of Scott Stevens." It is that kind of comment that will have teams checking and double checking as to whether they should pass him over on Draft Day.

    An intelligent player, Stuart will likely one day become a legitimate top-four defenseman at the NHL level. Just what kind of top four defenseman is all that is left to decide -- will he become a Rob Blake or a Mike Rathje?

     
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    Yeah, I'd say a lot more Mike Rathje and Scott Stevens than Rob Blake...
     
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    [QUOTE]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/06/20/mckeens_stuart/ One scout said "if he develops a decent offensive touch, he has the upside of  Scott Stevens ." It is that kind of comment that will have teams checking and double checking as to whether they should pass him over on Draft Day. An intelligent player, Stuart will likely one day become a legitimate top-four defenseman at the NHL level. Just what kind of top four defenseman is all that is left to decide -- will he become a  Rob Blake  or a  Mike Rathje ?
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    There's a big difference between saying he was "supposed" to be a top-4 defenseman and saying "IF" he develops a decent offensive touch he has Scott Stevens upside.

    And one thing to note - when the B's scouted him, they envisioned him in the pre-lockout rules NHL.  Big difference there too.
     
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    Jalvis - You draft a guy 21st overall to be at least a top 4 defenseman.  After 275 games he is not that.  He isn't even the stay at home steady defenseman.  Don't give me this pre-lockout rules nonsense. If Hal Gil is much more effective then he was during the clutch and grab era, anyone can be.  My point is that he has not developed as a player from the player he was at Colorado College and guys drafted after him like Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, and Corey Perry are stars in this league.  If he was picked in the 3rd round, O.K., but he was a first rounder and as a 1st rounder, he is a bust!  Just like these other first round d men : Gord Kluzak, Kyle McLaren, Johnathan Aitken, Nick Boynton, Lars Jonsson, Shaone Morrison, and Matt Lashoff. Since 1978, Ray Bourque and Glenn Wesley are the only first round defenseman picked by the Bruins that obviously warranted being chosen there.
     
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    [QUOTE]Jalvis - You draft a guy 21st overall to be at least a top 4 defenseman.  After 275 games he is not that.  He isn't even the stay at home steady defenseman.  Don't give me this pre-lockout rules nonsense. If Hal Gil is much more effective then he was during the clutch and grab era, anyone can be.  My point is that he has not developed as a player from the player he was at Colorado College and guys drafted after him like Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, and Corey Perry are stars in this league.  If he was picked in the 3rd round, O.K., but he was a first rounder and as a 1st rounder, he is a bust!  Just like these other first round d men : Gord Kluzak, Kyle McLaren, Johnathan Aitken, Nick Boynton, Lars Jonsson, Shaone Morrison, and Matt Lashoff. Since 1978, Ray Bourque and Glenn Wesley are the only first round defenseman picked by the Bruins that obviously warranted being chosen there.
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    Your point is well taken.  I am NOT trying to defend Stuart.  He has played terrible since he came back from injury last year and into this season.  I have been VERY disappointed in his play.  I guess I was just playing a little devil's advocate.

    That said, I don't believe Hal Gill is a good example.  Comparing a many-year NHL vet to a rookie coming out of college (when the rules changed) is completely different.  And they are two very different style of players within the "stay-at-home" mold.  One is physical and the other isn't. 

    That said, you are right, Stuart has had AMPLE time to adjust to the style of play by now and just a disappointment.  I expected a big improvement from him this year and it just hasn't happened. 
     
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    Draft position is irrelevant this far into the guy's career.  By season's end, he'll have played his position well for 300 NHL games.  That's no bust.  Jon Aitken is a bust.

    Replacing Stuart with McQuaid is no solution.  For defensemen, Stuart is second in blocked shots, and third in hits.  He's also (not including part timers) last in turn overs.

    As for his +/-, well, who is he usually on the ice with?  Stuart isn't looked upon to generate offense, so in order for his +/- to move up, other players will have to score.  The majority of the time, he's out there with Seidenberg, who also has zero goals.  He doesn't play with the top two lines.

    By all indications, the basis of him being terrible is that he was a first round pick and his +/- stinks.  I wouldn't say he's frequently out of position, and he skates just fine.  Who cares if he can accept a pass well?  Who is going to pass the puck to him?

    Baseless witch hunt.
     
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    [QUOTE]Draft position is irrelevant this far into the guy's career.  By season's end, he'll have played his position well for 300 NHL games.  That's no bust.  Jon Aitken is a bust. Replacing Stuart with McQuaid is no solution.  For defensemen, Stuart is second in blocked shots, and third in hits.  He's also (not including part timers) last in turn overs. As for his +/-, well, who is he usually on the ice with?  Stuart isn't looked upon to generate offense, so in order for his +/- to move up, other players will have to score.  The majority of the time, he's out there with Seidenberg, who also has zero goals.  He doesn't play with the top two lines. By all indications, the basis of him being terrible is that he was a first round pick and his +/- stinks.  I wouldn't say he's frequently out of position, and he skates just fine.  Who cares if he can accept a pass well?  Who is going to pass the puck to him? Baseless witch hunt.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]


    He just doesn't look like the same player I saw 2 years ago.  Maybe it's a lack of confidence I don't know.
     
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        "He was supposed to be a top 4 defenseman that could do it all."

    So because Trent Allen of Sports Illustrated said this it was supposed to come true I was supposed to buy into it ? I never said Mark Stuart would be a top 4 and Chiarelli is paying him accordingly. That is your assertion Mean not mine.
     
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    NAS - Baseless witch hunt?  Replacing Stuart with McQuaid is no solution because Stuart blocks shots and also goaltenders and hits people, often getting himself out of position?  I base him as a first round bust, not a bust overall.  As a first round pick, he should be a top 4 defenseman.  If you can't accept a D to D pass in this system, you can't move the puck out of your own end and get hemmed in, thus giving up scoring chances, and subsequent goals and a minus on the stat sheet.  That's why I care if he can accept a pass and then make a pass.  Answer this question for me, why is Mark Stuart the only minus player on the defensive corps?  Why isn't Seidenberg also a minus player, if he also has zero goals?  Seidenberg can receive and pass the puck, that's why.  Was is not Stuart last night that followed Byfuglien around the rink when he should have passed him off the Bergeron at the dots, leaving Kane all alone in front of the net?  One play does not make a habitual offender, but it is fresh in the mind and seems all to frequent with the caveman.  McQuaid on the other hand has played more like the stay at home defenceman that Stuart should be as the 6th guy.  
     
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    Sandog- you are right, he is being paid accordingly.  However, I still have a problem with the Bruins first round selections over the years, especially with regards to D men.  His play this season has not been up to par and he should be sat.  The SI article was an example of the "hype" that I remember when the Bruins drafted him.  It was not meant to be a hockey biblical statement.
     
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    Stuart so far has been disappointing.  You would think after all his time in the league he could make a decent play with the puck but no it is still a game of Hot Potato.  His best plays he seems to make is rap it around or off the glass and out.  The biggest question about him was whether he could develop some offence and the answer seems to be no. 
     
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    Some team will take Stuart off the B's hands , or Ference , or Hunwick . Take your pick .
     
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    [QUOTE]NAS - Baseless witch hunt?  Replacing Stuart with McQuaid is no solution because Stuart blocks shots and also goaltenders and hits people, often getting himself out of position?  I base him as a first round bust, not a bust overall.  As a first round pick, he should be a top 4 defenseman.  If you can't accept a D to D pass in this system, you can't move the puck out of your own end and get hemmed in, thus giving up scoring chances, and subsequent goals and a minus on the stat sheet.  That's why I care if he can accept a pass and then make a pass.  Answer this question for me, why is Mark Stuart the only minus player on the defensive corps?  Why isn't Seidenberg also a minus player, if he also has zero goals?  Seidenberg can receive and pass the puck, that's why.  Was is not Stuart last night that followed Byfuglien around the rink when he should have passed him off the Bergeron at the dots, leaving Kane all alone in front of the net?  One play does not make a habitual offender, but it is fresh in the mind and seems all to frequent with the caveman.  McQuaid on the other hand has played more like the stay at home defenceman that Stuart should be as the 6th guy.  
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    C'mon Mean, I think you're going way too far with the "bust" talk.  The first round of each draft is littered with guys who never play 300 games (the majority, in fact).  Drafting defensmen is even tougher.  Aitken is a bust, Lashoff is a bust -- Stuart has actually been a very respectable return for a draft pick.

    I agree he hasn't been playing well so far this year, but his career has been a success so far and the Bruins should be pretty happy with him.

    Like I said, I watched him a lot in college and if anyone was expecting Duncan Keith, than they were not paying attention.  He is what he was supposed to be, more or less.
     
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    Fletch - I am aware that the first round is littered with first round guys who never play 300 games.  However, I feel as though first round picks are going to hold more and more importance as the years progress within this cap world we now live in, and the Bruins have not drafted well on the defensive side. You are right, he has been respectable return for a draft pick, just not a first round draft pick.  Mark seems to be a good guy, he's tough, he buys tixs for the troops, etc...  It just seems to me that he has not developed his game in the 300 games that he has played and to my eye has been the worst player on the ice over the first 22 games.  Unless of course the waste of space Paille is in the line up.
     
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    Mean - I do agree that Mark has played poorly but I'm not going to jump into a Tasmanian whirling angered tail spin to say he should be demoted, traded, sent down or call him a draft bust. Seidenberg played awful yesterday as well as the team did.

    The Bruins did not pick well on a consistent basis in the 1st round when Sinden and MOC were in charge I agree but you can leave 2007 Hamill out because that draft was weak only 3 players drafted after Zack are contributing in the NHL right now from that draft plus 21st overall picks aren't normally projected to be Super Stars.

    Right around the time the Bruins were in the 10 game losing streak last year you said you were pretty much through with the Bruins then you went off the deep end when the Bruins were down 2-0 in game 2 of the Boston-Buffalo series but you came back.

    You don't ever seem to be fully pleased so why come back ? To whine when they play badly ? To vent when the Bruins 2 best playmakers are out ? What key players were out when Detroit, Pittsburgh and Chicago won the last 3 Stanley Cups ?
     
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    [QUOTE]Fletch - I am aware that the first round is littered with first round guys who never play 300 games.  However, I feel as though first round picks are going to hold more and more importance as the years progress within this cap world we now live in, and the Bruins have not drafted well on the defensive side. You are right, he has been respectable return for a draft pick, just not a first round draft pick.  Mark seems to be a good guy, he's tough, he buys tixs for the troops, etc...  It just seems to me that he has not developed his game in the 300 games that he has played and to my eye has been the worst player on the ice over the first 22 games.  Unless of course the waste of space Paille is in the line up.
    Posted by MeanE[/QUOTE]

    Fair enough MeanE, understood.  Let's hope he gets better because I don't think they have better options and they need him at his best.
     
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    Mt. kluzak! what a bust.
    B's would ALWAYS draft a dman in the first round.
     
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    Okay Guys come on, I am not saying Stuart's play has been outstanding or even adequate to this point but being a 4-6 defenseman on this team is not the Bruins issue so far this season in games they've lost.  And as often as we have said players on this team so no emotion or lack of intensity that is the completely opposite of what Stuart does game in and game out.

    He may not have developed into a top 4 defenseman but I would take a guy with his emotion and grit as a top 6 round a defensive core guy any day of the week.

    Pointing the finger to say Stuart is a major reason why the B's are slacking lately is inaccurate.  This team will be as successful as their offense is.  Games when Lucic bangs, Horton and Krejci will have open ice and produce often.  When Tyler Seguin isn't paired with Thornton, Paille, or Campbell, he will have time to grow as an offensive threat.  Wheeler and Ryder, while playing good this year at various moments, need a stud center for a full year ala Krejci in 08'-09'. Bergeron and Recchi need not be hamperred with the Paille's of the word and being always paired against the other teams best lines.

    All this leads back to two thing Health(which we assume will be here shortly) and coaching(I'll leave this one for another rant).


     
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    Sandog-  I am not in an angered tailspin.  If as you agree Mark has played poorly.  Why not sit him? Why not let Adam play, he has yet to turn the puck over this season, or at least credited with a give away.  Why do I come back?  Why do I "whine" when they play badly.  Because sometimes I think that the fans care more about the Bruins then the team itself, as players, coaches, GM's come and go.  I was 3 the last time the Bruins won the cup.  So forgive me if every once and awhile I vent about the frustrations that come about.  Injuries and luck play a part in winning the Stanley Cup, there is no doubt about it, but drafting, talent, coaching, and culture also play very important roles in getting your name engraved.  
     

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