Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

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    He has a point?

     



    True. I don't have a point, I have several.

     

    I don't believe he's all that good.

    I don't believe he's sincere about coming to the NHL

    I believe he's being hyped by media misinformation.

    What I believe - PC is using Soderberg as leverage in current negotiation with some other GM.



    In fairness BadHab:

    You have never seen him play.

    You have never seen him interviewed in English

    You cannot establish a baseline on the player, so suggesting over-hype is misleading

    No issues with your conclusion on PC's motives.  Although, the Herald interview suggests something different.

     
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    I don't know either BadHab.  Seems like both Soderberg & Holloway are under contract with an Elitserien Team for the past few seasons.  Not sure what the ramifications would be.

     

    Found this article that suggests that Elitserien only allows for full-year contracts.  Perhaps, this governs the contract limitations.

    http://pushforpros.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/the-lockout-threat-elitserien-holds-on-to-its-contract-ruling/




     

    Actually the answer seems  to me was in that article translated from the Swedish

    Could it be relevant that he already stands at Linköping season is over?

    - Yes, I understand the agreement with the international federation, there may be such a possibility. I can not do that in detail, but it is so to speak on our management's table.

    That sounds to me like there is an agreement between the NHL and SEL via the IIHF that they will honor each other's contracts - basically no poaching.  But the sticking point is can he play *after* their playoffs?  I can understand ther concern.  Say there was a summer league somewhere, I'm pretty sure a standard NHL contract says you can't 'moonlight' playing in that league over the summer (leagues, not international play like the world cup)

     

     
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    In fairness BadHab:

    You have never seen him play.

    You have never seen him interviewed in English

    You cannot establish a baseline on the player, so suggesting over-hype is misleading

    No issues with your conclusion on PC's motives.  Although, the Herald interview suggests something different.

     




     

    I will plead guilty to those charges and true perhaps I'm not being fair, but I'm sticking with my opinions.

     

    The Herald?

    If I buy the Herald I also buy some nasty hard core porn and hide the Herald inside so I won't be embarassed if someone I know sees me.

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

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    He has a point?

     



    True. I don't have a point, I have several.

     

    I don't believe he's all that good.

    I don't believe he's sincere about coming to the NHL

    I believe he's being hyped by media misinformation.

    What I believe - PC is using Soderberg as leverage in current negotiation with some other GM.

     



    This thought belongs in your Bruins trade specualation tracker.  

     

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

    Observations & research.

    * The Bruins have posted nothing on their website bout Carl.  They have about 5-9 posts per day including a spotlight on Matt Benning their 6th round pick just a few days ago.

    * No interviews with Carl from Boston media.  Why not?  I can think of several questions that I'm sure people would be interested in;  How he thinks he can do in the NHL, his current play & team & etc.

    * The Globe has only 3 mentions of Soderberg in other articles.

    * The Herald has been the only one to talk to PC about this.

    * Soderberg's playoffs start March 12 - this Tuesday.  The Bruins have agreed not to interfere with him until his season (playoffs) ends.  The NHL deadline is April 3.  Soderberg's team finished 5th of the 8 team playoffs (12 team league).  The first round will end around March 20th.  The second round will end sometime about April 7.  The finals are scheduled to start at about April 10.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.

    * I have found another player who came to the AHL after his team's playoffs were over in the SEL, Mike Zigomanis, so it appears to me within the NHL and SEL agreement that Soderberg would be able to play.

    * The team of Bud Holloway, the leading scorer in the SEL is out of the playoffs.  His season is over.  I'm not sure if he is still property of the Kings or not, but I still wonder why no one is interested in him?  He's only 25, 6'1", 200 lbs, played in the AHL 2 seasons putting up 47 and 61 points.

    I'd like to see a little more press about this guy, particularly how his team is doing in the playoffs.  If they win or lose their first series in a sweep it's news because it could determine whether he comes here or not.

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

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    * Soderberg's playoffs start March 12 - this Tuesday.  The Bruins have agreed not to interfere with him until his season (playoffs) ends.  The NHL deadline is April 3.  Soderberg's team finished 5th of the 8 team playoffs (12 team league).  The first round will end around March 20th.  The second round will end sometime about April 7.  The finals are scheduled to start at about April 10.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.

     

     



    Listen, I don't think that the Loch Ness Monster will be playing here this year either, but for argument's sake, if he became available after the deadline, could he not play for the Bruins like Turco and Krug did last year and just not be elligible for the playoffs?

     

     
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    * Soderberg's playoffs start March 12 - this Tuesday.  The Bruins have agreed not to interfere with him until his season (playoffs) ends.  The NHL deadline is April 3.  Soderberg's team finished 5th of the 8 team playoffs (12 team league).  The first round will end around March 20th.  The second round will end sometime about April 7.  The finals are scheduled to start at about April 10.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.

     

     



    Listen, I don't think that the Loch Ness Monster will be playing here this year either, but for argument's sake, if he became available after the deadline, could he not play for the Bruins like Turco and Krug did last year and just not be elligible for the playoffs?

     



    Then why bother? May as well wait until next season. 

     
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    Then why bother? May as well wait until next season. 

     




    He'll be a UFA next season

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

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    Observations & research.

    * The Bruins have posted nothing on their website bout Carl.  They have about 5-9 posts per day including a spotlight on Matt Benning their 6th round pick just a few days ago.

    * No interviews with Carl from Boston media.  Why not?  I can think of several questions that I'm sure people would be interested in;  How he thinks he can do in the NHL, his current play & team & etc.

    * The Globe has only 3 mentions of Soderberg in other articles.

    * The Herald has been the only one to talk to PC about this.

    * Soderberg's playoffs start March 12 - this Tuesday.  The Bruins have agreed not to interfere with him until his season (playoffs) ends.  The NHL deadline is April 3.  Soderberg's team finished 5th of the 8 team playoffs (12 team league).  The first round will end around March 20th.  The second round will end sometime about April 7.  The finals are scheduled to start at about April 10.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.

    * I have found another player who came to the AHL after his team's playoffs were over in the SEL, Mike Zigomanis, so it appears to me within the NHL and SEL agreement that Soderberg would be able to play.

    * The team of Bud Holloway, the leading scorer in the SEL is out of the playoffs.  His season is over.  I'm not sure if he is still property of the Kings or not, but I still wonder why no one is interested in him?  He's only 25, 6'1", 200 lbs, played in the AHL 2 seasons putting up 47 and 61 points.

    I'd like to see a little more press about this guy, particularly how his team is doing in the playoffs.  If they win or lose their first series in a sweep it's news because it could determine whether he comes here or not.



    I know we had a good back-and-forth on this the other night.  Thanks for continuing to research the Swedish Mystery Man. 

    A couple of questions regarding your findings:

    "Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second."- why is the significance of the April 3rd deadline?  Why can't he come over after that date? 

    "The team of Bud Holloway, the leading scorer in the SEL is out of the playoffs.  His season is over.  I'm not sure if he is still property of the Kings or not, but I still wonder why no one is interested in him?  He's only 25, 6'1", 200 lbs, played in the AHL 2 seasons putting up 47 and 61 points."- what is your source for this?  I was under the impression that Holloway plays for Skelleftea AIK, who finished 1st in Elisterien. 

    Comments on your observations/findings:

    "No interviews with Carl from Boston media.  Why not?  I can think of several questions that I'm sure people would be interested in;  How he thinks he can do in the NHL, his current play & team & etc."- this is no shocker, given the lack of Bruins coverage by the Boston Media.  Maybe Steve Burton can get an exclusive?

    "The Bruins have posted nothing on their website bout Carl.  They have about 5-9 posts per day including a spotlight on Matt Benning their 6th round pick just a few days ago."- this is no shocker as the Bruin's web site often lacks time sensitive updates.  Also, what would they post?  There is no deal in place, seems like the team would want to avoid getting too far out in front of their skis on this.

    "The Herald has been the only one to talk to PC about this."- regardless of why only the Herald has been able to get PC on the record regarding this, the quotes in the article were pretty detailed.  Are you concerned about the credibility of the quotes?  So, if Fluto gets an exclusive, then it makes it real?

     

     
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    Listen, I don't think that the Loch Ness Monster will be playing here this year either, but for argument's sake, if he became available after the deadline, could he not play for the Bruins like Turco and Krug did last year and just not be elligible for the playoffs?

     



    Well, yes, but I don't see the point unless it's part of a contract as they did with Krug last year.  It was just to sweeten the deal for Krug.

    But I don't think that would work for Soderberg because it looks to me like he's after a one way deal so getting NHL time this year in exchange for *maybe* NHL time next year isn't going to do it for him.

     

     
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    * Soderberg's playoffs start March 12 - this Tuesday.  The Bruins have agreed not to interfere with him until his season (playoffs) ends.  The NHL deadline is April 3.  Soderberg's team finished 5th of the 8 team playoffs (12 team league).  The first round will end around March 20th.  The second round will end sometime about April 7.  The finals are scheduled to start at about April 10.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.

     

     



    Listen, I don't think that the Loch Ness Monster will be playing here this year either, but for argument's sake, if he became available after the deadline, could he not play for the Bruins like Turco and Krug did last year and just not be elligible for the playoffs?

     

     



    Then why bother? May as well wait until next season. 

     



    If the Bruins are solidly in a playoff spot at that time, they could use Soderberg to spell off some of their forwards to rest them for playoffs and possibly use him to take some ice time to help reduce injury possibilities. I highly doubt the great White Whale is going anywhere, but from a strategy standpoint, wouldn't that be benficial for the Bruins?

     
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    "Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second."- why is the significance of the April 3rd deadline?  Why can't he come over after that date? 

     

    He will not be eligible for the playoffs if he signs aftere April 3.

     

    "The team of Bud Holloway, the leading scorer in the SEL is out of the playoffs.  His season is over.  I'm not sure if he is still property of the Kings or not, but I still wonder why no one is interested in him?  He's only 25, 6'1", 200 lbs, played in the AHL 2 seasons putting up 47 and 61 points."- what is your source for this?  I was under the impression that Holloway plays for Skelleftea AIK, who finished 1st in Elisterien. 

    Sorry, you are correct, Holloway's team did finish first, somehow I got confused and thought he played for AIK.

     




     

     
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    Then why bother? May as well wait until next season. 

     

    If the Bruins are solidly in a playoff spot at that time, they could use Soderberg to spell off some of their forwards to rest them for playoffs and possibly use him to take some ice time to help reduce injury possibilities. I highly doubt the great White Whale is going anywhere, but from a strategy standpoint, wouldn't that be benficial for the Bruins?

     

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    Yea good call, I suppose it could be.

     
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    If the Bruins are solidly in a playoff spot at that time, they could use Soderberg to spell off some of their forwards to rest them for playoffs and possibly use him to take some ice time to help reduce injury possibilities. I highly doubt the great White Whale is going anywhere, but from a strategy standpoint, wouldn't that be benficial for the Bruins?

     




    I've only seen them do that when all is completely said and done which is typically only the last game or 2 or maybe 3 in the season.

    Usually there are playoff implications right down to the last game

     
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    "Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second."- why is the significance of the April 3rd deadline?  Why can't he come over after that date? 

     

    He will not be eligible for the playoffs if he signs aftere April 3.

     

    "The team of Bud Holloway, the leading scorer in the SEL is out of the playoffs.  His season is over.  I'm not sure if he is still property of the Kings or not, but I still wonder why no one is interested in him?  He's only 25, 6'1", 200 lbs, played in the AHL 2 seasons putting up 47 and 61 points."- what is your source for this?  I was under the impression that Holloway plays for Skelleftea AIK, who finished 1st in Elisterien. 

    Sorry, you are correct, Holloway's team did finish first, somehow I got confused and thought he played for AIK.

     

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    Seems unlikely on a few levels, but PC could always sign him to a multi-year deal?  He finishes out the regular season in Boston, goes to Providence for the AHL playoffs?

     
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    Seems unlikely on a few levels, but PC could always sign him to a multi-year deal?  He finishes out the regular season in Boston, goes to Providence for the AHL playoffs?




    I would guess the AHL must have similar rules to keep ahl teams from getting the nhl players who just became UFA when their NHL teams didn't make the playoffs.

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

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    Observations & research.

    * The Bruins have posted nothing on their website bout Carl.  They have about 5-9 posts per day including a spotlight on Matt Benning their 6th round pick just a few days ago.

    * No interviews with Carl from Boston media.  Why not?  I can think of several questions that I'm sure people would be interested in;  How he thinks he can do in the NHL, his current play & team & etc.

    -- Soderberg's team must be eliminated before the April 3 NHL deadline for this deal to proceed.  So his team must lose in the first round or about halfway through the second.



    I don't think that's true...he is still Bruins property so can miss the trade deadline and can arrive before or after. Not sure if his eligibility for the playoffs would change since he is not a call up from the AHL...

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

    It is not true, he can arrive after he deadline.

     
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    so the question is, if he arrives after the trade deadline, can he play in the playoffs?

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

    dreger made it sound like he could

     
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    Re: Carl Soderberg in Boston this season according to CBC Pierre Lebrun

    Eligible, just like a minor eagle call up.

     

    hope he's worth all of this thread.

     
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    I still say he'll never show up.

     
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    I still say he'll never show up.



    we're well aware

     
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    Soderberg on the way?

    The Bruins may be getting some offensive reinforcement soon without having to tap the trade market.

    General manager Peter Chiarelli has confirmed to the Boston Herald a TSN report that 27-year-old Swedish sensation Carl Soderberg, who became Boston’s property in the 2007 trade that sent goalie Hannu Toivonen to St. Louis, is ready to make his NHL debut for the Bruins this season.

    Soderberg, a center who is listed at 6-foot-3 and 207 pounds but may have bulked up some, just completed his regular season with Linkoping HC in the Swedish Elite League, putting up 31-29-60 totals with a plus-18 in 54 games. His team is about the start the playoffs, after which he may report to Boston.

    It was a giant leap forward for Soderberg, who had just 14-21-35 totals last season.
    Chiarelli said he’s still waiting for final clearance of the move, but said he was optimistic.

    “We’ve been trying for five years to get him over here and it’s close,” said Chiarelli, adding that the acquisition wouldn’t prevent him from exploring trades as well. “He’s had a hell of a year and he’s grown into a big, strong kid now, a man, and he’s told us that he feels he’s ready now. He’s a good player, a big, strong player. There are still some steps to go, but it looks good.”

    Soderberg was drafted in the second round, 49th overall, by the Blues in 2004. He is a left-handed shot, which — as it turns out — could make him a nice fit for the left wing spot on Boston’s slumping third line with Chris Kelly and Rich Peverley. That is assuming he’s ready for the NHL and isn’t relegated to Providence.

     
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    Soderberg on the way?

    The Bruins may be getting some offensive reinforcement soon without having to tap the trade market.

    General manager Peter Chiarelli has confirmed to the Boston Herald a TSN report that 27-year-old Swedish sensation Carl Soderberg, who became Boston’s property in the 2007 trade that sent goalie Hannu Toivonen to St. Louis, is ready to make his NHL debut for the Bruins this season.

    Soderberg, a center who is listed at 6-foot-3 and 207 pounds but may have bulked up some, just completed his regular season with Linkoping HC in the Swedish Elite League, putting up 31-29-60 totals with a plus-18 in 54 games. His team is about the start the playoffs, after which he may report to Boston.

    It was a giant leap forward for Soderberg, who had just 14-21-35 totals last season.
    Chiarelli said he’s still waiting for final clearance of the move, but said he was optimistic.

    “We’ve been trying for five years to get him over here and it’s close,” said Chiarelli, adding that the acquisition wouldn’t prevent him from exploring trades as well. “He’s had a hell of a year and he’s grown into a big, strong kid now, a man, and he’s told us that he feels he’s ready now. He’s a good player, a big, strong player. There are still some steps to go, but it looks good.”

    Soderberg was drafted in the second round, 49th overall, by the Blues in 2004. He is a left-handed shot, which — as it turns out — could make him a nice fit for the left wing spot on Boston’s slumping third line with Chris Kelly and Rich Peverley. That is assuming he’s ready for the NHL and isn’t relegated to Providence.




    and that's for you my friend BadHab from your friend Chodah-man.

     

     

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