Do you hate Julien?

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    Do you hate Julien?

    Too bad.

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    but that is your opinion. give me one damn fact that, in comparison to other bruins coaches, that cj has underperformed in the playoffs.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : I agreed, CJ and the B's failed in '09, '10, and '12 because they didn't make it to the finals.  They should make it every year even though PC fails to make any moves to make this team better.
    Posted by goodnewsbears[/QUOTE]

    In 09 they should have coasted to the conference finals vs the cains but they couldn't seem to get the puck out of their defensive end for lots of times during the series and had they lost to the pens that wouldn't have been shocking at all and I wouldn't have felt like they under achieved but to lose to the cains was just unacceptable.

    10 when you have a 3-0 series lead you should be able to win one more game and ice a series and when you lead game 7 3-0 at home you should win no excuses . I am not so sure they would have beat the habs the next round montreal beat two very good teams to get there but the bruins should have gotten there. Wish we would have got to find out who would have won that series.

    12 Should have beaten the caps in the first round home ice to boot and lost.

    I wish the bruins would win the cup every year but its not realistic. My only playoff expectation is to win the series that you should win more often than not. In my opinion this hasn't happened under claude.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : In 09 they should have coasted to the conference finals vs the cains but they couldn't seem to get the puck out of their defensive end for lots of times during the series and had they lost to the pens that wouldn't have been shocking at all and I wouldn't have felt like they under achieved but to lose to the cains was just unacceptable. 10 when you have a 3-0 series lead you should be able to win one more game and ice a series and when you lead game 7 3-0 at home you should win no excuses . I am not so sure they would have beat the habs the next round montreal beat two very good teams to get there but the bruins should have gotten there. Wish we would have got to find out who would have won that series. 12 Should have beaten the caps in the first round home ice to boot and lost. I wish the bruins would win the cup every year but its not realistic. My only playoff expectation is to win the series that you should win more often than not. In my opinion this hasn't happened under claude.
    Posted by bosbruins2011cup[/QUOTE]

    yes. because cam ward is a useless keeper, the b's never lost three of their top six scorers, and the caps never set a record for most blocked shots in a series.
     
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    [QUOTE]but that is your opinion. give me one damn fact that, in comparison to other bruins coaches, that cj has underperformed in the playoffs.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Where did I say in comparison to other bruins coaches claude has under performed? I am judging only claude. Here is one fact for you Tim Thomas minimum 20 games played has the highest career save percentage in nhl playoffs history. With this all time historicaly great goalie claude could only get by the second round one time.
    http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-playoff-save-percentage-leaders.html

    Also before you accuse me of saying tim thomas is the best playoff goalie ever not saying that but the numbers show he is one of the best.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : yes. because cam ward is a useless keeper, the b's never lost three of their top six scorers, and the caps never set a record for most blocked shots in a series.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    I was at game 2 of that series ward got the shutout but he didn't have to make any great saves I remember or many. Kinda like holtby this year I think it was more a product of the bruins made life to easy on those goalies. Any who are you trying to say the bruins shouldn't have won that series?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : Where did I say in comparison to other bruins coaches claude has under performed? I am judging only claude. Here is one fact for you Tim Thomas minimum 20 games played has the highest career save percentage in nhl playoffs history. With this all time historicaly great goalie claude could only get by the second round one time. http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-playoff-save-percentage-leaders.html Also before you accuse me of saying tim thomas is the best playoff goalie ever not saying that but the numbers show he is one of the best.
    Posted by bosbruins2011cup[/QUOTE]

    That was sarcasm you twit. So, answer me this one question - who is a better coach in Bruins history? Give me an imperical argument. You don't like Julien? Great. Give me some damn facts as to who in the history of this franchise has a better winning percentage in either the playoffs or the regular season.  Oh, well, CJ had TT. Oh well. TT will never make the HHOF (no way in hell), whereas the other five coaches who won the cup for the Bruins had HHOF keepers. In fact, each of the other coaches to win the Bruins the Cup had a minimum of four hall of famers.You have no ground to stand on.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : That was sarcasm you twit. So, answer me this one question - who is a better coach in Bruins history? Give me an imperical argument. You don't like Julien? Great. Give me some damn facts as to who in the history of this franchise has a better winning percentage in either the playoffs or the regular season.  Oh, well, CJ had TT. Oh well. TT will never make the HHOF (no way in hell), whereas the other five coaches who won the cup for the Bruins had HHOF keepers. In fact, each of the other coaches to win the Bruins the Cup had a minimum of four hall of famers.You have no ground to stand on.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    I don't know any that I can say are better off the top of my head the bruins had different coaches in 70 and 72. Most of my lifetime the coaches have had a very short leash and I have seen coaches fired for a lot less than what julien got to survive through. I think claude has underperformed in the playoffs my opinion wich certainly doesn't make it fact.
     
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    Also I will stand by the opinion I have stated a million times that Thomas was the biggest ( not the only) reason the bruins hoisted the cup in 2011Cool
     
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    But you have no FACTS. Thomas's save percentage and GAA had nothing to do with  CJ's defensive strategy? It was all Thomas? Give me a FACT! Prove your point.

     
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    [QUOTE]But you have no FACTS. Thomas's save percentage and GAA had nothing to do with  CJ's defensive strategy? It was all Thomas? Give me a FACT! Prove your point.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    I think the save percentage speaks for its self and on the other note show me a fact that cj was more of a reason than thomas for the cup? This is wasting time because it can't be prooved one way or the other its in the eyes of the beholder.
     
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    Ok here's a fact, during the 2011 stanley cup run the Bruins, though Thomas faced the the most shots ever, he faced the least amount of shots from within 25 feet of any goalie to play more than 20 games in the last 45 years. It was CJ's strategy to force shots from the perimeter and clog the shooting lanes that gave TT that great save percentage and GAA. He had a great percentage because he faced low percentage shots. That is due to coaching. Yes TT was great, but he would not have had his same success under a different coaching strategy.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ok here's a fact, during the 2011 stanley cup run the Bruins, though Thomas faced the the most shots ever, he faced the least amount of shots from within 25 feet of any goalie to play more than 20 games in the last 47 years. It was CJ's strategy to force shots from the perimeter and clog the shooting lanes that gave TT that great save percentage and GAA. He had a great percentage because he faced low percentage shots. That is due to coaching. Yes TT was great, but he would not have had his same success under a different coaching strategy.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]


    He faced plenty of close in shots as well and made many highlight reel saves. You and others on here seem to disagree with me on thomas being the biggest reason why the bruins won the cup and that is fine. I also think if you asked all hockey fans who watched the bruins playoffs that year as to the biggest reason the bruins won the cup the opinion would over whelmingly be tim thomas. CJ's sytem is no doubt very goalie friendly.
     
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    you asked me for a fact and then ignored it. why am i still talking to you?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : I don't know what more I can say to you to tell you why I think CJ has underperformed in the playoffs in my opinion.
    Posted by bosbruins2011cup[/QUOTE]

    If Julien didn't have a Cup championship on his resume I might be inclined to agree with you.  You seem to be looking at his entire body of work in the playoffs by including the Philly series and losing to Carolina several years ago as if they were somehow the defining moments of his post-season legacy.  They are significant portions of his and the team's history but I don't see them as being on the same level as the Cup. 

    For me the 2011 Cup reduced every frustrating loss the Bruins have had over the years to literally nothing.  I don't think about them losing to the Flyers anymore than I think of the Oilers beating them in the '88 Finals to his being canned by NJ near the end of the season years ago.  The Cup that he coached the Bruins to saw to that. 
     
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    [QUOTE]you asked me for a fact and then ignored it. why am i still talking to you?
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    I also offered you statistical fact and you ignored it why am I still talking to you? I know you are but what am i?

    Its your opinion cj's system was the reason for thomas's playoff numbers its far from a proovable fact.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : If Julien didn't have a Cup championship on his resume I might be inclined to agree with you.  You seem to be looking at his entire body of work in the playoffs by including the Philly series and losing to Carolina several years ago as if they were somehow the defining moments of his post-season legacy.  They are significant portions of his and the team's history but I don't see them as being on the same level as the Cup.  For me the 2011 Cup reduced every frustrating loss the Bruins have had over the years to literally nothing.  I don't think about them losing to the Flyers anymore than I think of the Oilers beating them in the '88 Finals to his being canned by NJ near the end of the season years ago.  The Cup that he coached the Bruins to saw to that. 
    Posted by RichHillOntario[/QUOTE]


    I still feel the sting of bruins loses in my life but what can I say I have a long memory. The cup does mean alot no doubt but just because of it its not fair to second guess the other years or feel they under achieved in the other seasons?
     
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    answer me this. Who made the decison to start Thomas?
    Who made the decion to change pairings and play Chara with Seids?
    Who brought Seguin into the lineup?
    Who put Ryder out there in double service in OT?

    PS your statistical fact did not consider my fact in terms of shot distance. he had great stats. why? Because of Cj's strategy.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you hate Julien? : I still feel the sting of bruins loses in my life but what can I say I have a long memory. The cup does mean alot no doubt but just because of it its not fair to second guess the other years or feel they under achieved in the other seasons?
    Posted by bosbruins2011cup[/QUOTE]

    I'm struggling to follow the rationale you provide.  Second-guessing is after the fact of it all.  We can all suggest they should have won the series vs the Canes and Flyers but that's revisionist history.  For me the Cup made up for those losses and renewed my faith in Julien.  I'd probably have a different opinion if the Bruins under his leadership continued to come up empty in the playoffs - but they haven't.
     
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    [QUOTE]answer me this. Who made the decison to start Thomas? Who made the decion to change pairings and play Chara with Seids? Who brought Seguin into the lineup? Who put Ryder out there in double service in OT? PS your statistical fact was not a fact, it was inaccurate, and based on conjecture.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Mike Sullivan

    Claude

    Claude but many fans like my self were saying this should have happned long before it did I give him zero to no credit the kid performed when he got in hardly shocking.

    claude


    Stats are the most accurate thing you can use for sports if there is a more accurate way to proove something please let me to what it is I must be really missing out on this thing for the 29 years I have been an avid sports fan.
     
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    what kid? seidenberg is a kid? what the holy hell are you talking about?

    God, can I just go back to talking to Book, NAS, Dez, Fletch, 49, Kennedey, ipot, RHO, BadHab, CO, San, et al... basically anyone other than you? When it comes to hockey, my cat has a better understanding.
     
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    [QUOTE]what kid? seidenberg is a kid? what the holy hell are you talking about? God, can I just go back to talking to Book, NAS, Dez, Fletch, 49, Kennedey, San, et al... basically anyone other than you? When it comes to hockey, my cat has a better understanding.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]

    Your cat must be very smart then red I was refering to Seguin. You don't have to talk to me no one is makeing you. You just need to come to the realiazation your not going to change my mind that I think Julien has underperformed in the playoffs and that I think Tim Thomas was the bigest reason for the bruins winning the cup in 2011.
     
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    you're right.

    This post is hidden because you are ignoring bosbruins2011cup


    life is much better now.
     
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