Re: FOR THOSE THAT THINK REMOVING JULIAN IS THE ANSWER
posted at 3/15/2011 5:06 PM EDT
In Response to Re: FOR THOSE THAT THINK REMOVING JULIAN IS THE ANSWER
[QUOTE]Everyone would love to have 'elite' players - that's not much of a point. The Ducks in '06-'07 were closer to the Bruins than you're acknowledging. They had Selanne, yes, but the key was a group of young players in Getzlaf, Perry, Penner who gave them waves of attack plus the goaltending of Giguere and, more than anything else, a defense anchored by Niedermeyer and Pronger. Since then, of course, they haven't won a playoff round and may end up out of the picture for the second year in a row despite the maturing of those young stars. Gotta love Eric Staal, but if he didn't have that one 100 point season, his totals would look only slightly better than Krejci and Bergeron in their best seasons - that is, 70-80 points. Krejci might yet get to 70 this year, and if the KHL line had been around all year, I'd bet on a new career high. Ward was a rookie goaltender. I think he's very good. Elite? Well.... Sometimes. That Staal led lineup has only made the playoffs once since then. TBay went to the wire and beyond to win against a team with one elite player in Iginla and a great goaltender. The Tampans and their "elite talent" - that is, the two guys you chose to mention who happen to still be there - haven't won a playoff round since and drafted first overall a couple of years back - on merit. And because you said go back 7 years, I get to include the 02-03 Devils whose leading scorer, Elias, had a whopping 57 points. Krejci, Lucic, Bergeron, and Horton will give the Bruins 4 guys over 50 points, matching the Devils on that front. So, no, no reaching back to the Islander dynasty, which would be a ridiculous comparison in this case because those Isles teams were stacked with elite talents like Bossy, Trottier, and Potvin. That mis-reading leads me to believe you didn't get my point, and trying to Joe Friday me with this "The Facts say..." business when you haven't really looked at all the facts - for example, that even with that elite talent, it took a perfect storm for those teams to win - makes me think you've made up your mind and aren't really looking for a discussion.
Posted by Bookboy007[/QUOTE]
So now you're point has changed. We don't need luck. And we don't need elite palyers. Now I'm confused.
My pointed stated clearly in the original post is this. Julian isn't a bad coach he just has a system that is boring to watch. His fallacy as a coach is his reluctance to make in-game changes and his reliance on old verterans versus younger more talented players.
My other point was the Bruins have some very good players, lack elite talent at the forward position and have probably the most least mobile defense in the league.
And that without elite talents, having to rely on secondary scoring and with a coach that isn't a good in game manager we either need to change the coach and or players (including tyring to bring in at least one game breaking elite forward which we lack).
None of retorts and rebuttals answer to any of this except that you think we have just as much of a chance to win the cup without elite forwards than we do not having them. I disagree and based on the last seven cup winners having some elite talent that would rebut your rebuttal as well.
Now simma down. You ain't the god of this board just maybe your mother's basement. I respect your opinion and viewpoint. Whether you do mine I could give crap. My viewpoint is just supported by the product on the ice and composition of the teams that have one the Cup recently. Your viewpoint is solely tied your viewpoint. But this is America you have that right. Carry on you American Hero.
P.S. I missed the Devil's so unlike you I can admit I'm wrong. They only had arguably the greatest goaltender in the history of the modern era. As for your Tampa rant, null and void. It doesn't matter what they did before or since. That year the won the cup. No one would trade Stall for Krejci straight up so stash that one back in your book bag too.