Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.

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    Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.

    (im gonna get eaten up for this one, i know)

    Set aside the hate for a moment and just keep an open mind.

    Right around the time Claude Julien started wrapping his defensive minded hands around the throat of the bruins, a man named Glen Hanlon was single handedly destroying the future of the Washington Capitals. Ov was running wild. Semin wasnt learning any english, Backstrom was on the 4th line and some guy named Nylander, who Mcphee must have heard from Hanlon, was worthy of a 3 mil, 4 year deal. Much to their chagrin, Hanlon was canned after an AWFUL start to a season and Bruce Almighty was handed some of the nhls finest peices of gold, (nylander was later waived). And bruce didnt hesitate to turn them into a winner. He made line changes... Brought a new attitude.. Played to his players strenghts...

    And where has it got them?

    To the top of the standings...
    Leaders in statistical catagories...
    Plethoras of trade chips...
    EARLY PLAY OFF EXISTS....

    And eventually...  An extended losing streak and his job on the line, coincidentally right around the time CJ started getting in trouble.

    Ask Peter Laviolette. 2 years missed playoffs, STANLEY CUP WINNER, missed playoffs... SEE YA LATER. sincerely, Carolina.

    Im not saying Claude Julien needs a tenure like Lindy ruff... Who has been defecated on by his GM and Buffalo ownership for the last 12 years, and still somehow finds a grain of inspiration for next years team.

    What i am saying is, firing claude julien is a temporary solution to a chronic coaching disorder. And in 3-5 years someone elses head is going to be called for... and before we know it, Segin and krejci and lucic and tuukka are gonna have coach after coach after coach after coach:

    Like brian Gionta and zach parise... Burns, to lou, to claude, to lou, lemiares in 7 years...

    and now the devils have nothing. Well.. old goalies and fat contracts. at the bottom of the NHL

    But I can promise you. Like lindy ruff can with a good goalie. Stick around for a while and your gonna have a team that atleast has a chance, year in and year in the playoffs, and isnt sitting at the bottom of the standings in a few years cause of a bad move.

     
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    Lol gotta love the sheep.

    I bet Jacobs even at 70+ got a woody reading this one



    18+ years since a second round victory...
     
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    I am sure CJ has been around long enough to know people are talking about him and his coaching style. He feels he could be close to getting fired, but he knows he has a contract to stick around for awhile and JJ will not pay to have him fired.
    You can bet that Cam or PC will sit him down and work out something to turn this team  around before they fire him. Cam did not sound to pleased with the decision to sit Seguin vs the Sabres when on the radio the other day so I think talk has passed between him and CJ, but CJ will be very hard to fire until his contract comes close to the end.
     
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    I for one don't care how many coaches come and go, as long as one of them brings the cup to Boston!  I don't want a Lindy ruff situation of coaching stability and no cup!  If someone like Peter comes in and wins the cup and is gone 2 years later, so be it.  IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CUP BABY!  Claude Julien will not make it through the year, his box and one has been played out and it appears Bruins players, Bruins Fans, and most importantly Cam Neely has seen enough!  He will not fire him before Christmas, but rest assured if this team is still playing this way in January, Chiarelli's Boy will be toast before the all-star break!
     
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    Sorry Shepherd, stick to Christmas.  You couldn't be more wrong about Julien.
     
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    On February 15, 2009, with the Pittsburgh Penguins struggling to make the playoffs, the Penguins organization announced that it had relieved head coach Michel Therrien of his duties and had promoted Bylsma to serve as interim head coach of the team.

    On June 12, 2009 Bylsma led the Pittsburgh Penguins to a Stanley Cup championship.
     
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    IMO the rest of the Eastern teams have caught up with Claude's "box and one" or Stack-em" defense and some change needs to be incorporated. BUT, That's not the only fix needed. Every line, plus some defence pairings need a change. Kreji's line needs someone to kick Horton's butt, get him mad or something so that he skates, hits and scores; Savard's line needs to do the same with Ryder; Bergeron's line needs the most change: first, recognize that Recchi, who is sucking wind after every shift, can no longer carry his weight effectively. He should be replaced by Caron who plays a very steady game with Bergeron; then Wheels needs to be traded and replaced by Arneil, who has earned a shot; those who quiver at two rookies need only to watch as it is, remember how well Caron played, and welcome a speedy goal scorer. Campbell, and the Bruins , no longer need Thornton's helter-skelter participation. Even Kreji fights when necessary. Let everyone hit, as Bruins of old, and play the game. On defense, Seidenberg and Kamfer have demonstrated chemistry, keep them together as the !st defense-- fast, smart and capable; Chara plays his own game, so make him 2nd defense with Boychuck-- big and strong; If necessary add Ference to the Wheeler trade and add a bigger, experienced, defensive D-man to play with McQuaid. Add someone to the coaching staff to give Claude some help on innovation and motivation
     
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    No one hates CJ, just his style has worn out. Some of the things i scream about watching the Bs play is.
    Line changes, theres a few on the is team that I could crawl faster getting off than they skate. (CJ doesnt address this) Lines not changing when they should.
    Time outs arent used properly, CJ hasnt a clue what a time out can do when you give up a couple of goals quickly.
    Hes got to be the softest coach in the nhl, never see him yapping at the refs, or the players.
    He has a one way system on a team thats more offensive minded.
    The Bs just dont forchek and skate like they should, I wonder why . CJ ?
     
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    Julien was a nothing player when he played. I can't imagine he has any creative ideas when it comes to offense. I'm sure he yells at the players and preaches defense. He's probably surrounded by bottom of the barrel assistants who work cheap. No imagination = No goals = Boring product. The building will be half empty next year and that's a good thing.The owner doesn't care. The GM is a bumbler. The only thing they have down well is market a mediocre group of players as a contender. Someone explain to me how they are a contender? Playoff chokers who can't even win the easiest division in the NHL????
     
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    The Bruins have seven games between now and Jan 1st. They are all against teams the Bruins are "supposed" to be better than. They are healthy. They have the best goalie in the NHL. If they can't go at least 5-2 then dump Julien because they have suxed for almost two years now!!!! Two years ago when they won the conference they had two great months (Nov/Dec 2008). They have been mediocre or worse the rest of the time he has been here. Look it up
     
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    In Response to Re: Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.:
    [QUOTE]IMO the rest of the Eastern teams have caught up with Claude's "box and one" or Stack-em" defense and some change needs to be incorporated. BUT, That's not the only fix needed. Every line, plus some defence pairings need a change. Kreji's line needs someone to kick Horton's butt, get him mad or something so that he skates, hits and scores; Savard's line needs to do the same with Ryder; Bergeron's line needs the most change: first, recognize that Recchi, who is sucking wind after every shift, can no longer carry his weight effectively. He should be replaced by Caron who plays a very steady game with Bergeron; then Wheels needs to be traded and replaced by Arneil, who has earned a shot; those who quiver at two rookies need only to watch as it is, remember how well Caron played, and welcome a speedy goal scorer. Campbell, and the Bruins , no longer need Thornton's helter-skelter participation. Even Kreji fights when necessary. Let everyone hit, as Bruins of old, and play the game. On defense, Seidenberg and Kamfer have demonstrated chemistry, keep them together as the !st defense-- fast, smart and capable; Chara plays his own game, so make him 2nd defense with Boychuck-- big and strong; If necessary add Ference to the Wheeler trade and add a bigger, experienced, defensive D-man to play with McQuaid. Add someone to the coaching staff to give Claude some help on innovation and motivation
    Posted by Bogie6[/QUOTE]

    Bogie, the above bolded print is the best!  Claude is not going anywhere, but he does need to find some variable play on offense.  A healthy Savard is the key for this year's team.  

     
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    I would totally be on your side with Julien if it weren't for last year's epic playoff collapse. He's a good coach and will always get his team into the playoffs. His sytem and laissez-faire style work well for the regular season because it produces enough points for a playoff spot. However, a run to the Cup requires several more "gears", adjustments and intensity...things that CJ simply isn't strong at.

    Additionally, his system requires that players fit into what he's trying to do, while sometimes you need to adapt your system to the talent you have. I thought nthat was the plan this year - open up the offense and bit and play a faster transition game. It seemed to be working with their 7-2 start. I remember talking with my dad and saying, "Gee - these guys are FUN to watch". But then the offense started to struggle, and the defense wasn't prepared to go back to last year's lock-down methods.

    In the end, it's about adjustments and having a FEEL for what's going on...not just banging your head against the "system" wall. If a change needs to be made, I'd rather have it happen now...and go with someone young and talented instead of a big name coach that's been around forever and too stubborn to change.
     
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    I would totally be on your side with Julien if it weren't for last year's epic playoff collapse. He's a good coach and will always get his team into the playoffs. His sytem and laissez-faire style work well for the regular season because it produces enough points for a playoff spot. However, a run to the Cup requires several more "gears", adjustments and intensity...things that CJ simply isn't strong at.

    Additionally, his system requires that players fit into what he's trying to do, while sometimes you need to adapt your system to the talent you have. I thought nthat was the plan this year - open up the offense and bit and play a faster transition game. It seemed to be working with their 7-2 start. I remember talking with my dad and saying, "Gee - these guys are FUN to watch". But then the offense started to struggle, and the defense wasn't prepared to go back to last year's lock-down methods.

    In the end, it's about adjustments and having a FEEL for what's going on...not just banging your head against the "system" wall. If a change needs to be made, I'd rather have it happen now...and go with someone young and talented instead of a big name coach that's been around forever and too stubborn to change.

    Very well written and spot on!
     
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    after i posted this last night i did some thinking...

    Who is exactly like claude julien in the NHL?

    Jaques martin. And what did martin go thru in ottawa? They finish at the top of the division every year and even the top of the conference and then lose in the playoffs... and what else did his team have? an awful power play and Zdeno Chara.

    However!!

    He shows up in montreal, and the habs decide to keep kirk muller, and do you know why? cause last year montreal had a TOP 2 power play! and they go to eastern conference finals.

    ITs not all Julien. Its who he has helping him on the bench. We need specialists!
     
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    I agree that we keep CJ to his this seasons end. Fire Ward and put Jarvis as the main asst. coach and give Doug Gilmour who is coaching OHL last I heard and have him replace Houda and eventually Goug Gilmour ( offer him a good chunk of money)  Dougy will be ready for head coaching and Rechhi as an Asst. to Gilmour. Our team is rebuilding and well experience team,  so the bruins should be playoff contenders for long while if we rebuild the coaching staff.

    Overall our future coaching staff for 2011-2012: new generation of coaches is the future.
    Gilmour head coach
    Jarvis asst. coach
    Rechhi special teams

    These trades are a must or idea:


    Chara for 6.9
    mill for moulson 2.5 and wisniewski 3.25 mill and sign these two to a similar contract but longer

    Savard(4 mill) and BSt. 1st for Yandle sign him to long term 4.5 mill contract

    Paille(1.1 mill) and ferrence(2.250) to EDM for Andrew Cogliano(1 mill) and 4th
    rd. pick
    Wheels(2.2 mill) and prospect for Bryan Little (2.4 mill for 3 years)

    The New Look Bruins for this and future:

    Lucic Krejci Horton
    Seguin Bergeron Moulson
    Marchand Little Ryder( next year he will be gone)
    Cogliano Campbell ThorntonRechhi can alt. with Ryder and Thorn pending the teams the Bruins face.

    Yandle Boychuk
    Wisnieski Sieds
    Stuart McQuaid
    Kampner can take Stuart spot next season and be NHL experience
     
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    In Response to Re: Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.:
    [QUOTE]The Bruins have seven games between now and Jan 1st. They are all against teams the Bruins are "supposed" to be better than. They are healthy. They have the best goalie in the NHL. If they can't go at least 5-2 then dump Julien because they have suxed for almost two years now!!!! Two years ago when they won the conference they had two great months (Nov/Dec 2008). They have been mediocre or worse the rest of the time he has been here. Look it up.
    Posted by nash99[/QUOTE]


    My God Nash, I agree with you.  Strange things happen when people...and their hockey teams...get in the trenches.
     
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    In Response to Re: Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.:
    [QUOTE]The Bruins have seven games between now and Jan 1st. They are all against teams the Bruins are "supposed" to be better than. They are healthy. They have the best goalie in the NHL. If they can't go at least 5-2 then dump Julien because they have suxed for almost two years now!!!! Two years ago when they won the conference they had two great months (Nov/Dec 2008). They have been mediocre or worse the rest of the time he has been here. Look it up
    Posted by nash99[/QUOTE]
    holy mackerral!!!!!  for 2 yrs i preached about CJ,s "jack adams award" bein a hoax....nash you are 99% right, but you have to add jan. into that....it was up to the time, early feb. when san jose the top team in the west came into boston & overwhelmed the B,s to a 5-2 whipping....they played .500 hockey from that day forward & stumpled into the playoffs.....the fragility of this teams mental state is amazing & i believe that is a direct response from the coach....we have seen it over & over, the perfect example of this teams fragility was last nights game where they go from a 3-0 1st period to hanging on for dear life....is it the coach? all i know is they had philly 3-0 in the seris & CJ inserted whitfield & not marchand, is that not the perfect example of what CJ projects?
     
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    Re: Getting rid of Julien is a bad idea.... A reason he should stay.

    We hear the bs about the Bruins defensive system. They give up 40 shots a nite! There is NO SYSTEM. They can't score and they don't play defense well either. NEW SYSTEM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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