Not B's related, but Hockey Related

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    Not B's related, but Hockey Related

    So, most of you are probably aware Nabokov signed with the Wings and then got picked up on waivers by the islanders....
    If you ask me, thats pretty F'ed up by the islanders.....He only came back to the NHL to play with a team that has a chance to win, and then the Isles pull a BS stunt like that. Now neither team is gonna get him, because he wont play with the Isles and waste his time with such a sorry team....I just think that was a BS move by the isles...I understand it, but its still F'ed up....

    Any thoughts?
     
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    Its all part of the process.  I don't feel too bad for the guy.  He could have landed a full time job but went to the bigger pay day.  Then strolls back wanting a crack at the cup and another 500000.  If that were the case why wouldnt most star players do the same thing.  Go get paid an insane amount of tax free money then come back at seasons end and sign with a contender. 

    If anything I could see the benefit if they changed the rule and allow the Islanders to claim and deal him with a 3rd round pick being the standard issue. 

    But again, thats the way the rule was designed. 
     
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    Ya, I know, but he's getting old, so I can understand nabokov's position as well. He wants to win, not play the next couple years he has left, with the isles, who are so off from winning the cup.
     
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    You really believe that any other team in competition with the Red Wings would not have claimed him.  You get to choose you team during the off season as a free agent nott during the season once you have played a minute for any team in any league during the present season.  This does seem like some possible inside deal between the Islanders and a team the Red Wing are fighting it out with.
     
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    I was waiting for this post and I agree with most of BGrif's comments. The Islanders are a mess of a franchise, worse than any other team in the major four sports leagues (and yes that includes my beloved Oakland Raiders). They gave away Roloson for a minor league scrub, they have the league's lowest payroll, and two of their top earners are not even with the team (buy-outs Brendan Witt and Yashin).

    Then Snow has the temerity to put in a waiver claim for Nabby? Yes the goaltender should have realized this risk but there is positively no logic and competitive spirit from Long Island. So you throw in next year's number one overall to this "team" and then watch Tavares flee once his deal's done. I would rather even see Tavares in Toronto, where the GM actually has a sense of how to run a team.

    It's too bad the Islanders won four cups back in the 1980s, else Bettman would be within reason if he just folded this sorry sack of a franchise. Ohhhh I can't stand what is happening out there. To heck with moving the Thrashers, I hope the Islanders is the team that heads to Quebec.


     
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    Toronto knows how to run a team, it shows.
     
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    Huh.  This is interesting.  Just noticed that capgeek is including Nabokov in the Islanders' cap hit now.  If he doesn't report, they don't pay him though right?

    From what I understand, the Islanders are under the cap enough, and not getting enough bonus performances out of EL contract players, so that they would face whatever penalties there are for being under the lower limit on cap spending.

    *dons tinfoil cap*
    Could this have been a move to pad cap spending without actually spending extra money?
     
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    Nabby  hung up the Phone on Snow lmao. He didnt call him back till after his agent told him that probably wasn't smart.

    NYI basically cawkblocked DET for no reason there and took a guy looking for a last shot at the cup dreams and smashed them. Classy.

    I could understand if it was you know LA or CHI or SJ doing this but NYI is just like uhhh why?

    DrCC tin foil hat theory could have nailed it though. Good job Moulder.
     
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    [QUOTE]So, most of you are probably aware Nabokov signed with the Wings and then got picked up on waivers by the islanders.... If you ask me, thats pretty F'ed up by the islanders.....He only came back to the NHL to play with a team that has a chance to win, and then the Isles pull a BS stunt like that. Now neither team is gonna get him, because he wont play with the Isles and waste his time with such a sorry team....I just think that was a BS move by the isles...I understand it, but its still F'ed up.... Any thoughts?
    Posted by bgrif008[/QUOTE]
    I can't believe we're worried about a team acting within the confines of the rulebook.Nabokov being claimed on waivers was discussed at length on this forum.If Nabokov was surprised about it,he's the only one that was.The poor guy doesn't even get to choose where he earns his half-million.What kind of system is this?
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from perrysound. Show perrysound's posts

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    Let's personalize this. If the B's had targeted Nabbie, and Montreal stole him, what would your stance be?
     
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    Regardless of whether or not the Islanders acted appropriately or ethically or intelligently, the bottom like is that this is absolutely embarrassing to the franchise.

    Nabokov's decision to refuse to play for such sorry sacks is downright humiliating.

    Now as for Nabokov, screw him.  The guy takes off to Russia for a GIGANTIC pay check, then gets cut, then he wants to just waltz back into the NHL, play for a top contender, and get his name etched into the Cup???  Screw you dude.  No sympathy from me.
     
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    "Could this have been a move to pad cap spending without actually spending extra money?" That's a real good point and I have not been able to find what the fine is for not spending to the cap floor.

    St. Louis just went through this negotiated with a European league team put everything into place then another GM puts the claim in. In this case it was a rival western conference team I believe San Jose that is on the playoff bubble that claimed the player.

    Having to go through waivers like that when returning from Europe will probably be removed during the next labor agreement as I could see the GM crying foul during the meetings in March.

    As long as Islanders owner Charles Wang doesn't get a new arena on the Island you will see Garth Snow do weird money management moves.
     
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    I believe that each team has the option to claim a player re-entering the league (starting with #30 and proceeding up to #1).

    The Isles are 28th and could use goaltending help (DiPietro is oft-injured and questionable with groin problems) so I can't blame them for giving it a stab for $500k.

    Had NY Islanders passed on him, then Ottawa or Toronto (or any of the other teams between NYI and the Red Wings) could have claimed him next.
     
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    This rule is not going to change nor should it, it was put in as a deterent for players to dictate whether they could just jump back and forth from Europe or not and give all teams a fair playing field.

    If Det had really wanted him they could have signed him and reassigned him to the KHL like many have suggested for Ryder et al and he would have been eligible to bring back for emergency injury recall or some such bs.

    Nab was not better than Howard or Osgood or he would have been signed there, he does not deserve any pity or oohs or aahs, he made his Khl bed and now he can lie in it.

    Way to go NYI.
     
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    I understand a lesser team like Ottawa could have claimed Nabby, and he bears a huge responsibility for going back to Russia to start the season. Jose Theodore was in a similar situation in the fall: veteran goalie who was previously highly paid and a former number one who was without a team. Theodore took a one year in Minnesota and has played well. Nabby made the mistake and will now pay for it.

    This debacle though highlights yet again the awful situation on Long Island. I wish the team would just disappear.


     
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    In Response to Re: Not B's related, but Hockey Related:
    [QUOTE]Let's personalize this. If the B's had targeted Nabbie, and Montreal stole him, what would your stance be?
    Posted by perrysound[/QUOTE]
    First off it would be that he wasn't "stolen".How is it that we all knew he'd be claimed yet somehow he didn't?
     
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    If Nabokov just wanted to play for a contender, all he had to do was sign a contract at the beginning of the year, for what he is worth, like everyone else, but being greedy was too important to him, can't have it both ways bud. 

    Besides this is a great rule, it prevents strong teams from stacking up mid season, and it has done its job.  We should all be happy, Detroit with Nabokov?  That could have been scary.
     
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    In Response to Re: Not B's related, but Hockey Related:
    [QUOTE]Regardless of whether or not the Islanders acted appropriately or ethically or intelligently, the bottom like is that this is absolutely embarrassing to the franchise. Nabokov's decision to refuse to play for such sorry sacks is downright humiliating. Now as for Nabokov, screw him.  The guy takes off to Russia for a GIGANTIC pay check, then gets cut, then he wants to just waltz back into the NHL, play for a top contender, and get his name etched into the Cup???  Screw you dude.  No sympathy from me.
    Posted by FerenceONpoint[/QUOTE]
    Pretty much my exact thoughts,Too bad for him, rules are there to protect franchises and help improve them. Again as i mentioned on another post, Lindros refusing to go to quebec when he was drafted, that sh@t just doen happpen anymore.
    As far as the islanders go, there basically a rebuilding team who obviously had intentions on getting Nabby under a 2 or 3 yr deal.
     
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    Any Bruins fan that feels bad for the Wings should really do a self-inventory!!!
     
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    I dont feel bad for anyone, especially Naby who, like someone else pointed out, ran from the NHL for a huge paycheck, then thought he could walk right back in and sign with a team that might be able to get him a cup.  However, it is a low class move by the Isle, who dealt a goalie that was better than Naby and are now sorry they did it.  They fvckin' blow, they know it, but they dont know how to get better.  Garth Snow is a jackbag. 
     

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