Re: Patrick Kane Sorry For Party-Hard Past
posted at 8/5/2013 4:15 PM EDT
In response to hangnail's comment:
I don't think I've ever really bought the argument that his most recent shortcomings on the ice were a result of too much partying/drinking.
I think that after three years, most players have shown what they're gonna be for the most part. I think Seguin is supremely talented but is also missing something in his game that we can't quite place. Certainly the immaturity and partying may contribute to what has been missing for him, but I don't think that is a big part of it. If he stops drinking in Dallas, I don't think you suddenly get better instincts, better net drive, better playoff scoring, or whatever. I hope Seguin grows up, but I think he was traded largely because of shortcomings on the ice, not just partying.
I dunno Fletch. His overall body of work for his first 3 years was actually pretty good - aside from this year's playoffs. And at only 21, there's reasonable expectation that he will improve in the next few years as well.
And if you happened to catch Neely's radio interview with Felger and Mazz (Crowls posted a link), his tone leaned more towards frustration than anything else due to the fact they had to speak to him so often. And when PC says he needs to be more "professional" that's a lot different than saying he needs to be better.
In the end, he's gone now - and you're right, probably due to a combination of both factors.
All good points. I certainly agree that Seguin was very good -- I am only talking about "what's missing" in terms of the outright star potential we had hoped for. I also agree that Neely certainly seemed frustrated with the kid and the all indications are that partying was a big part of the reason the B's dealt him.
I just don't know if we can assume that drinking is the primary thing holding him back from being a better player. I'm sure it would help, but how much? Watching him in the playoffs this year, I saw a player with a ton of skill who didn't seem strong on the puck at times, didn't seem creative at times, didn't seem to raise his game when it was needed, and generally seemed very predictable on the rush (to the point that any of the Hawks 6 d-men could stop him).
I'm just not sure that being clean and sober fixes these things. I think it's possible that he is more or less the player that we have seen. Still, I expect that he will get better with more years under his belt, more muscle, more maturity etc. But I would guess that his ceiling is not what we once thought and that Chiarelli would not have given up on him if it was.
I think he'll be around a point-per game player in Dallas, but will still suffer from the same limitations that we saw in Boston. Good, maybe very good, not great.