Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

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    The more I hear about Yakupov, the more the name Alexandre Daigle pops into my head.

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    Yakupov cares.

    Daigle didn't.

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    Does he? That's an honest question - what leads you to the conclusion that he does care? After his statements about his style of game I have my doubts.

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

     

    Corrections to corrected corrections -- quickly as I am out of time:

    Plus/minus is either important or it isn't.  You're dinging Krejci on his +/-.  He's a career plus-68.  Yakupov is a career -18.  I know Krejci is on a better team, but you still can't make the plus/minus comparison there, as a knock on Krejci.  And it isn't everyone in Edmonton playing that way either -- Yakupov has THE worst +/- on the team.  Dead last.

    You did question Krejci's playoff performance (no?) -- re-read your earlier post.  He's been awesome in the playoffs.  Led everyone in playoff scoring when they won the Cup.  Could have been Stanley Cup MVP.

    We are talking about these players from a GM's standpoint.  The Bruins and their GM did not run Seguin or Kessel out of town.  They traded them.  What the media did seems irrelvant to me.  For me as fan, I was not concerned with their 'toughness', I was concerned with productivity and their ability to help their team win.

    Why do you think Seguin was 'demoted' (not sure I agree) behind Jagr in the playoffs?  Given 1 playoff goal in 22 games, do you think that Seguin should have received more ice time in the playoffs?  That's great that he hustled, but c'mon, that guy needs to be a scorer.  We have Daniel Paille for hustle.

    Lastly, I agree that we should not dismiss potential star players that have more finesse/finish than grit.  I just don't think Yakupov is the right guy.

     

    +/- is relevant when looking in comparison to the rest of the team, not across teams.  The players with the best +/- on a given team are the ones who contribute the most to wins (the team who wins scoresmore goals (plus) than they give up (minus).  I never compared Krecji's plus/minus to Yakupov.  His line was way behind the entire rest of the team that year, and nobody was calling for his head.  The Bruins as a team have had great goal differentials due to our good defensive system, great goaltending and strong scoring by committee for the past 4+ years.  If you want to look at Yakupov, look at his plus minus relative to his teamates over the same timeframe and then you have something that you can draw some conclusions from.  The Oilers suck, so I would bet that the majority of their team is net minus over the past couple seasons.

    If you don't think Seguin was demoted, I'm not sure which playoffs you were watching?  How many goals did Jagr have again?  When did he score his first playoff goal?  Did you watch the games?  Jagr stepped up and made a few key plays late in games, but was by no means all that impressive.  The entire B's team sucked in the first series except for Krecji's line.  After that, Seguin was playing with Kelly who was having an absolutely aweful season, and some other chump --- until they promoted Paille, at which point he and Seguin started to generate some offense.  Did Seguin underachieve?  Yes, absolutely.  But the third line last year was a curse for whoever played on it, and the Bergeron-Seguin-Marchand line was our best performing line for the regular season last year.  Despite being one of our top scorers, Seguin was demoted after less than one full playoff series where the whole team was underwhelming.  If you content that Seguin was "supposed to be a scorer" why would the coaching staff put him on a line with the most offensively challenged guys on the team?  I'm just saying that it is hard to fully evaluate given his linemates.  marchand started off pertty slow too, but he kept his spot and turned it around a bit after the first series.  I just think that Seguin would have done the same if given the chance and would have outproduced old man Jagr if given the same chance.

     

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

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    Yakupov cares.

    Daigle didn't.

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    Does he? That's an honest question - what leads you to the conclusion that he does care? After his statements about his style of game I have my doubts.

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    If asked, I bet Yakupov gives the 'some things don't translate well' explanation for those comments.

    You know, like the Fedor Tyutin explanation for his comments on Varlamov where he points out that in America, women "can go to the police for any little thing, complain and bring a lot of problems to men."

    Such a pain in the neck, when your spouse freaks out every time you get drunk and stomp on her head...

     

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

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    Chappy, c'mon.  You're not reading very carefully.

    You say:

    "+/- is relevant when looking in comparison to the rest of the team, not across teams."

    Okay, we'll look at the team, but read this carefully:

    Krejci is tied for the 2nd best +/- on the Bruins team, at +10.

    Yakupov is dead last in +/- on the Oilers team, at -14.

    Is that clear enough?

     

    You say:

    "If you don't think Seguin was demoted, I'm not sure which playoffs you were watching?

    You said in your last post that Seguin was demoted, to play Jagr.  I'm not sure Seguin was exactly"demoted", but if he fell behind Jagr or anyone else in ice time or line combos it is because he wasn't playing well.  Coaches try to play guys who are producing more than guys who aren't particularly in the playoffs.  If Seguin was scoring, he wouldn't have been "demoted".

    You are trying to blame Jagr for Seguin's lack of production, which is just silly.  Seguin had a bad playoffs, there is no reason to make excuses for him and try to scapegoat Jagr.  They both stunk.  But Jagr was a short term rental at the end of his career.  Seguin is a #2 overall draft pick who was supposed to be rounding into his prime.  In the end, they got rid of both guys afterwards.  

    I don't think they bought the rationale that bringing in Jagr prevented Seguin from scoring.  In fact, I don't think anyone besides you is buying that rationale.

     

     



     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

    I don't think Seguin was demoted either. I think the coaching staff felt Seguin was a better fit on the 3rd line and vice versa. Now numbers for both may suggest otherwise, but they did make it to the 6th game of the finals.

     
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    I wouldn't give up Hamilton for Yakupov. It's not because value wise I think it might be bad, but because I just don't think it makes sense. I think Hamilton has the ability to become an elite defensmen. In the current NHL, you need one of those to win a cup, and they aren't made available that often. Yakupov may become an elite scoring winger, but those become available through trade and free agency much more frequently than elite dmen, and I also really don't think you need one to win a cup. 

     
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    Hamilton isn't going anywhere and anyone that suggests that he "could" go in a trade doesn't know anything about hockey on any level!

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

    YUCKupov I bet will be the next Radulov! He won't be in the NHL past next season! He doesn't have what it takes to be an NHLer. He's got the talent, but that doesn't make you a bonafide NHLer. Kolvachuk has started a trend with Russian hockey players. I doubt they'll be very many that are drafted in the 1st rd within the next 5 yrs. Teams are learning their lesson & won't be willing to gamble a 1st rd- top 5 pick on anymore Russians. 

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

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    The more I hear about Yakupov, the more the name Alexandre Daigle pops into my head.

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    Yakupov cares.

    Daigle didn't.

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    Does he? That's an honest question - what leads you to the conclusion that he does care? After his statements about his style of game I have my doubts.

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    Yea...That commet from NAS is a head scratcher. And wt f is this anyway???NAS actually agreeing to a trade? 

     
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    Yea...That commet from NAS is a head scratcher. And wt f is this anyway???NAS actually agreeing to a trade? 

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    No one who saw him play would doubt Daigle's talent and ability - but work ethic, passion, and commitment? It was sorely lacking which made him a bust. Yakupov may not end up the same way, and I may be wrong here, but I do think it's possible Yakupov has the same failings, and if I was asked right now I would say he's more likely to be Daigle part 2 than not.

    And he's certainly, with those doubts, not Bruins material.

     
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    Does he? That's an honest question - what leads you to the conclusion that he does care? After his statements about his style of game I have my doubts.

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    Every high draft pick that either struggles or isn't seen as a total workhorse is likened to Daigle.  Daigle stated multiple times that his heart just wasn't in playing.  Yakupov hasn't said anything of the sort.  He's an odd one, who just wants the puck on his stick, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care.


    "I don't see any trust (in) me now because I play lower and lower minutes. I just want to try to help my team win every game ... but I don't have much chance to do that," Yakupov said. "It's pretty hard to watch the game from the bench when my teammates are fighting for the puck, fighting for points."

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

    Everyone is hammering this kid for being -14.  Well, the golden boy RNH is -12.  31 points in 48 games as a rookie on that disgustingly horrible team says to me that he has the skill to be a great NHL player.  He needs to grow up.  He needs to shut up.  He needs to show up every night.  These are things you can teach. 

    My ridiculous trade is never going to happen, but I'd be thrilled if it did.  The B's have extra talent.  They have a defenseman sitting in the press box nightly that could play 82 on pretty much every other NHL team.  With Rask signed until Kingdom Come, Subban is useless.  Yeah, they're not getting as much talent in return as they are sending, but they are getting more useful talent.

    And this kid can rip.

     
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    I wouldn't give up Hamilton for Yakupov. It's not because value wise I think it might be bad, but because I just don't think it makes sense. I think Hamilton has the ability to become an elite defensmen. In the current NHL, you need one of those to win a cup, and they aren't made available that often. Yakupov may become an elite scoring winger, but those become available through trade and free agency much more frequently than elite dmen, and I also really don't think you need one to win a cup. 

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    If you remove his draft position, he's a young defenseman who was benched during the playoffs last year and for a couple of games this season already.

    I hope he turns into an amazing player, but to think or expect him to be is foolhardy.  Just ask Cam Barker fans.

     
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    OK GUYS THIS CASE IS OVER

    Sorry about starting this thread ...thanks to Fletch for opening my eyes on this one ....If ever I get the job that I am waiting for I will hire Fletch as my right arm ...

     

    YAKUPOV kiss him good bye

     

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    OK GUYS THIS CASE IS OVER

    Sorry about starting this thread ...thanks to Fletch for opening my eyes on this one ....If ever I get the job that I am waiting for I will hire Fletch as my right arm ...

     

    YAKUPOV kiss him good bye

     

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    Fist pump.  I want a covered parking space and zamboni driving privileges.

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

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    Everyone is hammering this kid for being -14.  Well, the golden boy RNH is -12.  31 points in 48 games as a rookie on that disgustingly horrible team says to me that he has the skill to be a great NHL player.  He needs to grow up.  He needs to shut up.  He needs to show up every night.  These are things you can teach. 

    My ridiculous trade is never going to happen, but I'd be thrilled if it did.  The B's have extra talent.  They have a defenseman sitting in the press box nightly that could play 82 on pretty much every other NHL team.  With Rask signed until Kingdom Come, Subban is useless.  Yeah, they're not getting as much talent in return as they are sending, but they are getting more useful talent.

    And this kid can rip.

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    Im not saying i wouldnt mind packaging Bart and Subban for someone they could actually use right now, I just wouldnt be into them doing it for Yakupov.

    As much as I like what ive seen from Bart, the kid isnt playing and like you said, he could, on anotherteam, be playing 82 games.

     
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    Being -15 specifically is not so much the issue, but having the worst +/- on the team and being healthy scratched from a very bad lineup is.  

    For comparison, during this same period Ryan Jones has been called up from the AHL matched Yakopov's goal output, in less games, on the 3rd/4th line, outhits him, and currently stands at +3.

    The "worst attitude ever" quote is a hard one to overlook too.  I don't think it's mis-statement.  I think he was being honest.  He just wants to score.  That doesn't work well in the NHL and it certainly doesn't work in Boston.

    That said, I'm certainly not calling the kid a bust.  He might become a great scorer.  But he's a terrible fit for the Bruins, especially at this time.  No thanks.

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

    NAS - remove his draft position and he still had an unreal junior career, pretty good international performance. great size, great skating, great tools, great offensive instincts. Him getting sat last year had more to do with the fact that he had played an absurd amount of hockey between junior and the NHL, and the fact that he's a righty. 

     
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    NAS - remove his draft position and he still had an unreal junior career, pretty good international performance. great size, great skating, great tools, great offensive instincts. Him getting sat last year had more to do with the fact that he had played an absurd amount of hockey between junior and the NHL, and the fact that he's a righty. 

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    So he's big, he can play hockey and he did well as a kid against other kids.

    He was sat last year because he was getting burned, not because he was tired.

     
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    NAS - remove his draft position and he still had an unreal junior career, pretty good international performance. great size, great skating, great tools, great offensive instincts. Him getting sat last year had more to do with the fact that he had played an absurd amount of hockey between junior and the NHL, and the fact that he's a righty. 

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    So he's big, he can play hockey and he did well as a kid against other kids.

    He was sat last year because he was getting burned, not because he was tired.

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    I think he was getting burned partly because he played so much hockey and as you say the latter part of the games he played were against men at the highest level of hockey being played. 

     
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    Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov

    Viagra thread

     
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    NAS - remove his draft position and he still had an unreal junior career, pretty good international performance. great size, great skating, great tools, great offensive instincts. Him getting sat last year had more to do with the fact that he had played an absurd amount of hockey between junior and the NHL, and the fact that he's a righty. 

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    So he's big, he can play hockey and he did well as a kid against other kids.

    He was sat last year because he was getting burned, not because he was tired.

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    people probably said the same thing about weber when he was 20. at that position, i'm not risking letting a young d man with that potential go. 

     
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