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    My favourite line from this Philly forum:

    Posted Today, 03:09 PM

    VANCOUVER RIOTS COMING TO PHILADELPHIA.


    http://fans.flyers.nhl.com/community/topic/13718-richards-traded-to-the-kings/
     
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    [QUOTE]My favourite line from this Philly forum: Posted Today, 03:09 PM VANCOUVER RIOTS COMING TO PHILADELPHIA. http://fans.flyers.nhl.com/community/topic/13718-richards-traded-to-the-kings/
    Posted by Chowdahkid-[/QUOTE]
    I posted  earlier last season that there was some question among the Philly faithful regarding Richards' leadership(or lack thereof). This trade tells me that he wasn't the leader in the locker room that Shupe and the other Richards lovers would try to have us believe.
     
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    Its a great group of trades for Philly.  Carter and Richards are great players but they pick up two 15 goal per season wingers, the 8th pick which probably becomes Strome or Zabenejad, Schenn who is the top rated prospect in the league right now and lets not forget the purpose of all these trades, to free cap space so they can sign a talented goalie.  Great moves for philly.
     
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    Terrible moves by a team 1 year removed from the finals. Just terrible. Great for the bruins though. Flyers do not make the playoffs this year
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Philly fans are p#ssed : I posted  earlier last season that there was some question among the Philly faithful regarding Richards' leadership(or lack thereof). This trade tells me that he wasn't the leader in the locker room that Shupe and the other Richards lovers would try to have us believe.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    Do you want me to name all the great captains that have been traded in the day?  We have no idea on what actually takes place in the room(just like we said with Chara) so now you wanna dip into the dressing room.  On the ice I would take this guy everyday. 
    I don't think him getting traded is about his leadership and more about money. 
    Messier, Gretzky, Smyth all dealt over money.  Captains can get traded.  And it is possible he lost the room, similar to a coach.  On the ice he is fearless.  Would love to have him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Its a great group of trades for Philly.  Carter and Richards are great players but they pick up two 15 goal per season wingers, the 8th pick which probably becomes Strome or Zabenejad, Schenn who is the top rated prospect in the league right now and lets not forget the purpose of all these trades, to free cap space so they can sign a talented goalie.  Great moves for philly.
    Posted by prob2236[/QUOTE]

    40 goal centers in this league are few and far between.  Especially at 27. 
     
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    They should be thrilled to have those awful deals out the window.

    From what I've read, Bryzgalov is going to be some sort of seven year, $50M deal.  Gotta give to get.  You can't add a seven million dollar goaltender without subtracting that money elsewhere. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Its a great group of trades for Philly.  Carter and Richards are great players but they pick up two 15 goal per season wingers, the 8th pick which probably becomes Strome or Zabenejad, Schenn who is the top rated prospect in the league right now and lets not forget the purpose of all these trades, to free cap space so they can sign a talented goalie.  Great moves for philly.
    Posted by prob2236[/QUOTE]

    You're insane.  I'm okay with moving Carter, or even Richards, if you are bringing the right players back.  But no, this was a salary dump for draft picks, prospects, and the cash to sign (overpay) a streaky goalie who has had as many bad years as good ones and is 31.

    Now they've dealt possibly their two best players and the results all hinge on one man -- Bryzgalov.  No margin for error on this trade.  The Flyers will sink or swim on Bryz, a Russian goalie used to playing in an empty building with no pressure on him...

    ...welcome to Philly.
     
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    Dez, I don't know too much about the locker room stuff or the questioning of Richard's leadership but I agree with shupe when talking about his play on the ice. I love how he competes. A poor man's version of Bryan Trottier.
     
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    [QUOTE]They should be thrilled to have those awful deals out the window. From what I've read, Bryzgalov is going to be some sort of seven year, $50M deal.  Gotta give to get.  You can't add a seven million dollar goaltender without subtracting that money elsewhere. 
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]

    You want a 31 year old Ilya for 9 yrs but don't want a 40 goal scoring center who is 27?  I can argue Philly won the Richards deal.  But they got hosed in the Carter deal. 
    Philly sure is exciting though.  They always steal the show with this stuff. 
    The Kings are gonna be very good.  Brown and Richards on the same line.  Wow.   
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : Do you want me to name all the great captains that have been traded in the day?  We have no idea on what actually takes place in the room(just like we said with Chara) so now you wanna dip into the dressing room.  On the ice I would take this guy everyday.  I don't think him getting traded is about his leadership and more about money.  Messier, Gretzky, Smyth all dealt over money.  Captains can get traded.  And it is possible he lost the room, similar to a coach.  On the ice he is fearless.  Would love to have him.
    Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]

    split room: Pronger Camp vs Richards Camp...Pronger Camp won.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : You want a 31 year old Ilya for 9 yrs but don't want a 40 goal scoring center who is 27?  I can argue Philly won the Richards deal.  But they got hosed in the Carter deal.  Philly sure is exciting though.  They always steal the show with this stuff.  The Kings are gonna be very good.  Brown and Richards on the same line.  Wow.   
    Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]

    Defense wins Cups.  The Philly defense has been great for years.  They've been a goaltending laughingstock since Pelle and the concrete barrier met. 

    I don't know how Bryz will do in Philly or in the East in general, but I do know he'll be much better than the recent revolving door of AHL goalies. 


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : Do you want me to name all the great captains that have been traded in the day?  We have no idea on what actually takes place in the room(just like we said with Chara) so now you wanna dip into the dressing room.  On the ice I would take this guy everyday.  I don't think him getting traded is about his leadership and more about money.  Messier, Gretzky, Smyth all dealt over money.  Captains can get traded.  And it is possible he lost the room, similar to a coach.  On the ice he is fearless.  Would love to have him.
    Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]
    Name all of the guys you want to. Richards is a cancer that buys into his own hype. Before the playoffs you went on about what a big winner the guy is(while questioning Zee's leadership at the same time). Time to revisit all that has been won  by Richards in his NHL career. Has he got a Messier leadership award? Maybe that's a good place to start........BTW, I'm getting texts from the draft every few minutes(from OB the former Red Devil).Like myself, he thinks Philly won the deal with LA. Simmonds is a good player with the potential to be one of the leagues best power forwards.Schenn is likely to be a stud. Richards is a talented Matt Cooke........BTW, I knew that dig would bring out the best in you(or something like that).
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : Defense wins Cups.  The Philly defense has been great for years.  They've been a goaltending laughingstock since Pelle and the concrete barrier met.  I don't know how Bryz will do in Philly or in the East in general, but I do know he'll be much better than the recent revolving door of AHL goalies. 
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]

    I don't think the Flyers defense is all that good.  Pronger, good but old.  O'Donnell, old and done.  Coburn, good.  Carle, good on offense, bad on defense. Mezsaros is pretty good, Bartulis and Timonen are average.  Nothing to write home about.  They sure didn't look good against Buffalo or Boston in the playoffs this year.

    No question that their goaltending has been the problem (for 20 years), but I will be surprised if Bryzgalov can really turn that around for them, now that you have subtracted their two best offensive players.  Maybe in three years Coburn and the #8 pick will turn into studs and the trade will seem smart, but since when was Philly on the 3-year plan?

    Bryzgalov could single handedly prove me wrong, but I think they gave up way too much for a goalie that played his way out of Anaheim when he was closer to his prime.
     
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    [QUOTE]Dez, I don't know too much about the locker room stuff or the questioning of Richard's leadership but I agree with shupe when talking about his play on the ice. I love how he competes.
    A poor man's version of Bryan Trottier.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-[/QUOTE]
    I hate the guy Chowda. That does probably point to Richards being a good player though.
     
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    Richards/Carter Out.

    Schenn/Simmonds/Voracek/Bryzgalov In.

    2011-12 Advantage: Bruins

    Cap Geek has them with $7.5M available (adjusted Cap to $64.3), still need to sign Simmonds and Voracek who are RFA.
     
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    I dont get these deals at all..I dont care if they end up signing Brad Richards..Bad deals. The forwards on Philly are the least of the problems. 10 years from now Brayden Schenn will be the best player of all the transactions. I have no doubt about that. The problem is, this team was a goaltender away from a Cup contender. I realize you have to trade a forward to get a goaltender..But Ilya Bryzgalov is not the answer, specifically if your trading Richards and Carter to get room to sign him..They could have dealt Leino for Bernier or inquirred about Schneider or Rask without depleting the forwards on their team..They justrevamped their roster to accomadate an above average goaltender.
     
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    106 points, #2 seed in the East....lose in the 2nd round....Blow it up!  Wow. 

    No guarantees that Brayden Schenn becomes a star...Richards and Carter already are.

    Really no material cap space to do anything other than sign Simmonds and Voracek.
     
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    Philly just got better in net at the expense of scoring.

    Maybe the guys they pick may produce but they gave up proven assets.

    For the upcoming season, Philly won't be a threat in the east.
     
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    On the good side, thats one less team to worry about on our way to Cup 2.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : Do you want me to name all the great captains that have been traded in the day?  We have no idea on what actually takes place in the room(just like we said with Chara) so now you wanna dip into the dressing room.  On the ice I would take this guy everyday.  I don't think him getting traded is about his leadership and more about money.  Messier, Gretzky, Smyth all dealt over money.  Captains can get traded.  And it is possible he lost the room, similar to a coach.  On the ice he is fearless.  Would love to have him.
    Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]

    Shupe, I think both of your statements here go hand in hand really.. If you lose the room it does speak about your Leadership...Richards is a good player and his record on the ice speaks for itself, but there is more to being an effective leader off the ice as well and representing  yourself as the face  of the franchise.  On this level Richards failed badly in Philly.

    I have read Tim Panaccio over the years , he covers the Flyers very well and is highly regarded in the media.. He has told of the running feud with the media in the last couple of years, that Richards carried a personal grudge, and at one time imposed a ban on speaking with them... that frankly is suicide for a team captain to do.. Your the spokesperson for the team and when you take on the media your not going to win..never..  Countless tales being told of his partying habits at late nights , hanging out with celebrities , porn stars, and the list goes on.. I happened to think he never endered himself to Chris Pronger and being a veteran around some of the greatest leaders of his time I think he had some input with Holmgren and probably told him that Richards  was not Captain material.. He let his team falter badly after leading the Eastern Conference until the last week of the season.. Then the Bruins, not really playing well and coming off a 7 gamer, take you out in 4 rather easy games, obviously did not sit well with management...  I think he was moved for more reasons than just money... Holmgren felt he had to move in another direction.. Pronger now takes over Captain and I think can impose himself more on this team than Richards ever did..

     
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    I don't buy the leadership argument nor the the trades as being positive at least in the short run.  As I read on the original entry on the thread, a Philly fan said something like are the Flyers rebuilding.  The answer to the trades is yes.  It will take at least two years for this trade to pay dividends.  Then again it is a crap shoot when dealing with draft picks and young players.  A random thought, is Philly trying to duplicate what has happened in Boston?  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Philly fans are p#ssed : I don't think the Flyers defense is all that good.  Pronger, good but old.  O'Donnell, old and done.  Coburn, good.  Carle, good on offense, bad on defense. Mezsaros is pretty good, Bartulis and Timonen are average.  Nothing to write home about.  They sure didn't look good against Buffalo or Boston in the playoffs this year. No question that their goaltending has been the problem (for 20 years), but I will be surprised if Bryzgalov can really turn that around for them, now that you have subtracted their two best offensive players.  Maybe in three years Coburn and the #8 pick will turn into studs and the trade will seem smart, but since when was Philly on the 3-year plan? Bryzgalov could single handedly prove me wrong, but I think they gave up way too much for a goalie that played his way out of Anaheim when he was closer to his prime.
    Posted by Fletcher1[/QUOTE]Thank you Fletcher. Your posts have been spot on here. Philly traded two young, talented, and productive forwards for a couple of unproven guys and (in a sense) a goalie who was once placed on waivers. I think Vokoun is a better goalie over the next two to three years than Bryz. These moves are reminiscent of the desperation trades that Colorado made at the last deadline. Philly is a worse team tonight, and I'd be willing to put money that they finish worse than last year.
     
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    The more I think about it...I don't think the flyers did too badly here. Their achilles heel has been goaltending (since lindbergh drove his porsche into a wall, as pointed out earlier) and a serious upgrade in net should make a big difference. They should still be okay offensively with what they have and what they are getting in return for Carter & Richards. Plus they got younger and will have a bit more cost-control with those prospects and younger players with less service time. I'm just not sure I would go through all of this for Bryzgalov for the amount of $ being rumored.
     
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