Re: Rankings: The top 30 starting goalies in the NHL
posted at 7/29/2013 5:25 PM EDT
In response to Fletcher1's comment:
In response to shuperman's comment:
Serious question. If you put bobs best 2 yrs against rasks what are the numbers. And Bob didnt play for the best defensive team in hockey. Bob also just won the vezina. he played 54 gms in 10-11 season going 28-13. Similar to Rask in his season. And 21-11 in 38 gms this year in columbus. He also went 14-10 in his worst year. Similar to Rask.
If you are putting rask ahead of him what is it based on And why? People are saying his body of work or sample size. Someone needs to explain to me how a 66-33 record a vezina is worst then 66-45 While playing for an avg team and a below avg team.
I'm not getting sucked back into this but the difference is plainly clear to see. Let's start with consistency. You want to cherry pick out two years, because that's the only way your argument works. That's just the problem with Bobo - you gotta pick the good years.
Bobo is up and down, with good and bad years (.899 save% in 11-12). Rask isn't. He's always been very good. As a backup, as a starter, short season, long season. It doesn't matter. Always consistent. Historic stats over his first 100 NHL games. That's the difference.
Or maybe you need playoff performance to get in the top ten with some judges. Boborovsky has been awful in the playoffs. Awful. Rask is still top notch in the playoffs, whether you look at the stats, or you look at getting a team to a Stanley Cup finals.
And sure, you can come up with a bunch of qualifiers like small sample size or Toronto game 7 or whatever, but if you're asking why one guy would be in the top ten and the other guy wouldn't -- the answer is plain to see for anyone who is looking.
Fletch seriously. Are 11-14 after rasks so called full season of 40 games stellar? How about 11-8? Are these the numbers you are talking about. And in front of the best defensive team in hockey.
Bob has over 50 games and played 38 this year.
Oh this one magical run this year. Was he amazing against the leafs? Not really. I thought he played a few great games. How about the rangers? Didnt need to be. Team was rolling. i give him full marks for the pitt series. How about the final. One win in three gms at home. Crawford was chewed apart for winning 6-5. So one magical run and one epic collapse. But the loss against philly is on the team but the 4-0 sweep against the pens was rasks brilliance. So for this one run to the cup is validation and the failure is not on rask.
point is this. Rask sample size is no different then bobs. Bob has a better win loss record. head to head in best yrs go to bob. And in bobs worse year he still was 14-10 not a losing record.
columbus blue jackets. always in the mix for the lottery pick. Bob has them fighting for playoffs in the last week. He easily deserved the vezina.
All i am trying to point out is that a few people are pointing out small sample size for bob. Isnt it the same for rask. Their numbers are pretty darn close if you ask me.
How you can see a difference that clearily is staggering. I see mirror images Minus the one playoff success. But i also see bob as missing the best shutdown dman maybe ever to play and the best defensive team in the league to pad stats.