Tears in Toronto

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    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/01/leafs-missed-out-on-hamilton
     
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    Love it !!!

    I find myself always shouting at the TV when TSN analysts (including McKenzie) when they say the deal is a wash. NO WAY !
    Bruins came out with winners of this trade by a "Grand Slam".  Bruins would still be winners if Knight was not part of the deal or they had given a roster player from the current team.
    Nobody mentions Hamilton, ever.  Maybe at the WJC it'll echo around the hockey world and the TO media can have a field on this.

    Because the Leafs performed below Brian Burke’s expectations in 2009-10 by finishing 29th overall, the Bruins, holding Toronto’s No. 2 overall selection, took Brampton’s Tyler Seguin, a gifted forward who is coming into his own this season in the NHL. One round later, Boston used the Leafs’ second-round pick to take right winger Jared Knight, a skilled forward who has 25 points in 22 games for the OHL’s London Knights.

    Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli then completed the final piece to the Kessel puzzle by using the ninth overall pick back in June to snap up Hamilton, the skilled puck-moving defenceman of the Niagara IceDogs. To date, Chiarelli has been pleased by what he’s seen

     
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    After Burke is done in Toronto I picture him on vacation somewhere in Southeast Asia with his head in his hands muttering "The horror, the horror". But hey that have Joe Colborne, what a steal LoL!
     
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    At the bottom of the article some jackwagon posted that he didn't think Hamilton's game will translate well in to the NHL, he gets beat a lot, blah blah blah. Another dipstick commeneted that Kessel has 70 more goals than Seguin since the trade (ignoring that the first year after the trade Seguin was still skating in the juniors). The Leafs clearly have the most delusional fans in the league. Why can't they just admit they lost on that trade. I and most Bruins fans seem perfectly ready to admit we got f'ed on the kaberle deal.  
     
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    Right now?  I think the deal is a wash.  But that's using the same bruins8 inspired logic that said the Leafs won the trade in the first year because all the Bruins had was the right to some picks.  And then last year when Kessel scored 32 and Seguin 11 - guess the Leafs won the deal!

    But you know, if you're looking at it from that side of the fence, "a wash" is the slow trend to the Bruins killing the Leafs on this deal that most of us have argued all along.  Right now Kessel is playing as well as he ever will, getting 20+ minutes per game.  Seguin is 8 points behind him playing just under 17 minutes a game, and he's +18 better than Kessel...but then he plays on a much much better team.  So yeah, Kessel for Seguin, which is what the two teams have on hand right now, is a wash.  Right now.

    There isn't a real Bruin fan who looks at that deal as "right now", though, and I doubt Chiarelli or Burke does either.  Chiarelli just looks at his Cup ring and regrets nothing that's gone by up to this point.  Burke probably looks at his roster today and says "if Kessel wasn't playing this well, we might just be in the Yakupov sweeps" so even though the last two drafts must have been trying, his team is probably farther along today than it would be if he hadn't made the move.

    It still turned out that he paid about as high a price as you can pay, though.

     
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    [QUOTE]At the bottom of the article some jackwagon posted that he didn't think Hamilton's game will translate well in to the NHL, he gets beat a lot, blah blah blah. Another dipstick commeneted that Kessel has 70 more goals than Seguin since the trade (ignoring that the first year after the trade Seguin was still skating in the juniors). The Leafs clearly have the most delusional fans in the league. Why can't they just admit they lost on that trade. I and most Bruins fans seem perfectly ready to admit we got f'ed on the kaberle deal.  
    Posted by WalkTheLine[/QUOTE]

    Hardly. Unless that pick they got (or Colborne) scores 2 goals and gets for 4points in a " Conference final" in which the Leafs have to win then we can never measure that trade. 
    Win win situation at this point and I celebrated my team winning a cup.
     
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    Well since BookBoy pretty much nailed everything from the hockey side of it, let me chime in about the Ice Dogs. That has to be the worst jersey in juniors and quite possibly all of hockey in North America. Putting a stick in Spuds MacKenzie is no way to market a team.
     
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    not only are they crying, but, they are delusional. to quote frattin after the game..."it felt like a playoff game out there"(wed). REALLY? how would you, or any of the leafs know what a playoff game feels like? funny stuff. it's like me saying my ford escort handles like a ferrarri. when i've obviously never driven a ferrarri.  someday leafs... someday.
     
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    [QUOTE]not only are they crying, but, they are delusional. to quote frattin after the game..."it felt like a playoff game out there"(wed).REALLY? how would you, or any of the leafs know what a playoff game feels like? funny stuff. it's like me saying my ford escort handles like a ferrarri. when i've obviously never driven a ferrarri.  someday leafs... someday.
    Posted by adkbeesfan[/QUOTE]

    Delusional is correct.  That crowd was so quiet, no atmosphere at all. No way close to a playoffs atmosphere.
     
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    Agree on the icedog jersey and the name itself is as stupid as it gets in major junior hockey. What the hell is an "Icedog" anyway?  Considering this team left Mississauga (Cherry owned Icedogs), why did the name travel with the team down the QEW?

    I can't think of any other instance where an OHL team moved cities and kept the team name.  Aside from the Barrie and Niagara Falls Flyers (long time ago), I can't think of any other. 

    Toronto fans have vey little to cheer for or celebrate so no wonder they insist they are winning trades.  What else is there to look at?

    Update:  Newmarket and Cornwall shared the "Royals" name.
     
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    The deal is no where close to a wash.  Even if it was just Seguin for Kessel (which it's not) and even if Kessel was as good as Seguin (which he's not) it's not a wash. No one ever talks about that Seguin is 5 years younger than Kessel, and thus 5 years further away from free agency.  It's like trading a 2006 Cadillac for a 2011.  Even if the model is the same, you will get a lot more driving out of the new one, and it's worth a lot more.  Getting a player 5 years younger is huge, especially in a cap league.  The TSN commentators are just trying to ease the pain on TO fans because they are a gigantic television market for hockey.
     
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    Well I'm sure in Frettin's perspective it was "like" what he expects a playoff game to be. But, we know better, having watched how hard it is to win playoff games. Certainly Toronto fans, those who really know hockey, recognize the difference. In addition, Chiarelli thought, and remember, Claude, Sweeney and others provided input, that Kaberle was a peice that could help. They did win the CUP, and Kaberle was a part of that team, while Colborne was a " maybe " future NHL player. Sometimes, taking a chance works out, and most of Chiarelli's chances have.
     
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    [QUOTE]not only are they crying, but, they are delusional. to quote frattin after the game..."it felt like a playoff game out there"(wed). REALLY? how would you, or any of the leafs know what a playoff game feels like? Posted by adkbeesfan[/QUOTE]

    Not to mention that they *lost* that game.
     
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    If youre going to say that the deal cant be looked at using potential production of those picks, making it "a wash", then how about looking at it this way? By subtracting $5.4 million in Kessel's potential salary from the Bruins cap allowed the B's to acquire and take on board Horton and Campbell's salary. Another two pivotal pieces to the Bruins Cup. Wash.. I cant see how. Even by "today's standards".
     
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    I kind of like what one reply to that toronto sun post said, was get over the kessel deal lol. There really is no *what if* scenerio because if the leafs never obtained kessel they would of sent those picks elsewhere or ?.
    I prdicted last year the lafs would be close to making the playoffs and then this year will be a much bigger threat to make the playoffs. The real point in all this is, Kessel wanted out and he got what he deserves and the Bs got what they wanted.
     
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    Bookboy is pretty much on in his assesment.  It's still really hard to get much objectivity about Kessel from a B's fan.
    sportsnutty though, makes an insightful comment, that has a huge bearing on the makeup of this team post Kess.  The money.  That really swings things our way a bit in the "right now".
    Fact is, #81 is a world class offensive dynamo, and he's finally getting to where the industry projected he'd be...albeit a little bit late.  Actually he's currently probably above projection(5.2 is a steal for an Art Ross candidate).  LeFleur developed almost the same way.  No one ever projected either to be defensive all stars.  Why do most here, have such difficulty giving 81 his due.  By doing so, it's not like we're showing disloyalty to our team.

      It's really way to early to tell who won, because we don't yet fully know the capabilities of those involved in the trade.  2 of the biggest potential pieces aren't even in the NHL yet.

    So far, sure looks like we ain't losing though. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The deal is no where close to a wash.  Even if it was just Seguin for Kessel (which it's not) and even if Kessel was as good as Seguin (which he's not) it's not a wash. No one ever talks about that Seguin is 5 years younger than Kessel, and thus 5 years further away from free agency.  It's like trading a 2006 Cadillac for a 2011.  Even if the model is the same, you will get a lot more driving out of the new one, and it's worth a lot more.  Getting a player 5 years younger is huge, especially in a cap league.  The TSN commentators are just trying to ease the pain on TO fans because they are a gigantic television market for hockey.
    Posted by OatesCam[/QUOTE]

    None can see this because they are so blind and can't think past the last game they played (and lost ).
     
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    [QUOTE]If youre going to say that the deal cant be looked at using potential production of those picks, making it "a wash", then how about looking at it this way? By subtracting $5.4 million in Kessel's potential salary from the Bruins cap allowed the B's to acquire and take on board Horton and Campbell's salary. Another two pivotal pieces to the Bruins Cup. Wash.. I cant see how. Even by "today's standards".
    Posted by Sportsnutty[/QUOTE]

    again another good point because once again all they see is black and white.
    There's more to a deal that the actual trade.  It's the domino effect after the trade.
     
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    Chowdah, have you seen Dougie play on a regular basis this year. If so, what is different in his play this year from last year?
     
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    [QUOTE]Chowdah, have you seen Dougie play on a regular basis this year. If so, what is different in his play this year from last year?
    Posted by Hockguy0818[/QUOTE]

    Yes I have. A matter of fact I watched last night's game. Maybe more consistent defensively...... I don't know, he looks the same as last year , with more points. As far as Walk the Line's jackwagon in the article........what the heck is he watching ? 
     
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    [QUOTE] ... Seguin, on the other hand, battled hard in the corners, as well as on the end and side boards.
    Posted by CraftyandSly1[/QUOTE]

    I like Seguin's progress this season - but this statement is simply not true.  He was benched for a decent stretch at one point in the game because he wasn't doing those things.

    If we're to expect the TML fans to be honest regarding the outcome of this trade, we should be honest in our assessments of Seguin (and, eventually, Knight and Hamilton).

    He still has a lot of hesitation when it comes to banging down low and battling for pucks.
     
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    The only thing more amusing than reading the article, is seeing the comments afterwards.  It's always a potpourri of bazarre and half-hearted rationalizations that the Leafs somehow won the trade.

    I still think this trade was an absolutely ruthless steal by Chiarelli.  I think this is the Bruins version of the Varitek and Lowe for Heathcliff Slucomb (sp?) trade.  It's shockingly lopsided when you look at what moving Kessel afforded the Bruins.  Cap space, ability to sign key parts (Chara, Bergeron, Horton), then Seguin, Knight, Hamilton.  Those draft picks allowed the Bruins to deal other picks for more pieces.  The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding was delivered last June.  With Seguin and Hamilton, it only gets better from here.  Kessel can have his October hat tricks.  This trade will go down as a massive steal.
     
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    [QUOTE]Agree on the icedog jersey and the name itself is as stupid as it gets in major junior hockey. What the hell is an "Icedog" anyway?  Considering this team left Mississauga (Cherry owned Icedogs), why did the name travel with the team down the QEW? I can't think of any other instance where an OHL team moved cities and kept the team name.  Aside from the Barrie and Niagara Falls Flyers (long time ago), I can't think of any other.  Toronto fans have vey little to cheer for or celebrate so no wonder they insist they are winning trades.  What else is there to look at? Update:  Newmarket and Cornwall shared the "Royals" name.
    Posted by misterpaulo[/QUOTE]

    Owen Sound kept the name Platers when the team was moved from Guelph.
     
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