Tyler Seguin has no hockey sense

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    I respect the fact that Olsonic has offered up detailed explanation of his opinion regarding a topic that is certain threaten many here.

    I agree with much of it, and I sense the OP is writing with a bit of frustration and hyperbole to drive home his points.

    I'm not completely sold on the "no hockey sense' thing yet, however, to date, Seguin has shown very little.  Guy LeFleur didn't either til about this stage in his career.  I'm hoping what appears to be "no hockey sense" is really more a maturity thing...being comfortable in his surroundings, and having confidence in his game and abilities, as well as his standing amoung the other players.  If there are issues there, it translates pretty much exactly the same.

    Despite the wide spread disagreement, I don't see how anyone could consider Tyler an "intelligent" player to this point.  His speed and style pops out to the casual observer, but he's incredibly ordinary at leveraging his teamates and open ice.  Again, hopefully a confidence thing.

    Having said all that, many really good players,... even some superstars (Ovechkin) don't have high hockey IQ's.  They're merely highly skilled.  Some have a high defensive or offensive IQ, some prosper through hard work, and some just do one or two things really well.  There's ample room for specialists(Mike Bossy)

    Some may argue that Seguins maturation defensively proves otherwise, however I have trouble buying that.  Playing good defense can be taught to anyone, and if someone is young, playing with older players, within a system that rewards and respects defense more than offense...that player is gonna do everything possible to fit in.

     

     
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                        "questionable decisions and flat out soft play"

    And this goes to what Ols said about "creating for his teammates". Tyler needs to be stronger on the puck, along the boards with a defenseman draped on him. You don't see Marchand, Bergeron or Krejci get the puck taken away from them in the offensive zone as much as Tyler does. So the criticism is warranted.

    Before any final decesion is brought down in the next three years I would like to see Seguin at his natural position of Center to see him create more like he did in Junior. Obviously Tyler has time to learn but he needs to stop making lazy plays, giving up on battles too soon and he needs to do it....now!

     
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       Olsonic has just forced me to agree with Stanley... With Stanley!!!

    I need another drink.



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    I agree with Stanley... I swear to god I'm not drunk. Really.



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    Game over

     
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    This post deserves some careful reading and consideration, and if Stanley is calling anyone an idiot, they will probably prove to be a genious.  The other thing I like about this thread is that the OP doesn't just throw out the outrageous claim -- there is detailed reasoning provided here.  The way it should be when you have something interesting and controversial to say.  People are responding to the conclusion without giving the reasoning its proper due.

    That said, I also think this is an exaggeration on some level.  Seguin doesn't look great this year, but I like the discussion of maturity better than the branding of missing talents.  Everything Ols says about entering the zone is true and Seguin does repeat the same same basic move -- cross the blue line, burst of speed to the outside, curl back, throw it to the point, etc.  

    But as Sandog pointed out, this guy never gets to play his "natural position" of center and I am also not sure that his linemates compliment him well.  He has gotten stronger on the puck each year, in my opinion, and if that continues year after year I think it makes a bigger and bigger difference in his game.  I really do think he will continue to get better, and with the improved skills will come better hockey sense just because he'll have more options.  

    Matt Duchene got a lot of the same criticism, pasticularly in his 3rd season, after it became apparent that his hockey sense did not match his skating and hands.  Endless drop passes.  He came into his 4th year in much better shape and has seemed to make significant gains in 'hockey sense' or just making better decisions in general.  I think that physical and mental maturity can have a huge impact on hockey sense.  It's more instinct than it is smarts, and instinct should improve with maturity.

    In three years, Seguin has constantly been given far less opportunity than Taylor Hall, to the point that he's still not really playing the right position.  That's one of the extra hurdles for young players on deep, talented teams.  Less opportunities.  The consequence seems likley to be slower maturation.

     
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                        "questionable decisions and flat out soft play"

    And this goes to what Ols said about "creating for his teammates". Tyler needs to be stronger on the puck, along the boards with a defenseman draped on him. You don't see Marchand, Bergeron or Krejci get the puck taken away from them in the offensive zone as much as Tyler does. So the criticism is warranted.

    Before any final decesion is brought down in the next three years I would like to see Seguin at his natural position of Center to see him create more like he did in Junior. Obviously Tyler has time to learn but he needs to stop making lazy plays, giving up on battles too soon and he needs to do it....now!

     

    Olsonic makes some valid points, but I think SanDog nailed it. Seguin is a center, and that's where he belongs. On this team right now, that may be a third line center, where he doesn't belong. He's still a kid playing in a position that he really is not comfortable in. He skates down the wing over the blueline a hundred miles an hour and then looks kinda lost. The defencemen at this level aren't gonna get beat wide. If Bergeron or Kreci goes down, CJ should move him to center and leave him there.




     
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    Most of the well thought perspectives make sense, but most failed to comment on Seguin's progress in learning Claude's system. Additionally, he is 21. Where were your thought s at that age, if there were any. His skills have pushed him ahead of his maturity, and with all the teeny boppers clamoring for his attention, he is a bit distracted with normal growing pains.

     
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    I really don't think it's hockey sense that is the root of the problem. But there is a problem. The more I watch this kid the more frustrated I get, there are continual displays of questionable decisions and flat out soft play. For me there are two issues that are connected to his performance. He is terrified of physical contact, and it's worse than it shows because he disguises it so well. I really can't remember him finishing a check. Is he better than he was at it? - yes. Does he still suck at it? yes. Also, I think he may have been able for his entire career to be highly successful by using his skating and stick skills exclusively. That doesn't make for a complete player. It will never work that way. Just be on David Krejci's level of physical play. Nobody is expecting him to be anymore than that. I really believe that most of the time he is playing through the filter of avoiding confrontation at all costs. I wish an opponent would rough him up a little and challenge him to respond, or really crush him into the boards. I think it would do wonders for him. Doesn't really ever happen because his radar is up full blast. If Seguin competed like Skinner for example, just imagine the results. Talent is unquestionable.

    It may appear like hockey sense, but that's just a result and not the cause.




    He's terrified, but he disguises it so well you can't see it?

    Please provide examples.

    An opponent roughing him up?

    I've seen him in exchanges in scrums many times, and in game 1 v. toronto in this last series, do you recall him diving to break up a play and crashing into the boards behind the net?

    I think you are onto something about his physical play, but I think your reasoning is all wrong.  he skates into traffic risking a big hit - true cowards like Kessel don't even take the risk.  Remember him?  He never skated into traffic ever, never.

     
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    Good thread and some salient points. I understand Olsonic's arguments and in large part agree with him. But, as a contrast, look at his growth as a defensive player. I remember a lot of us ripping on him in hist first and second year and claiming that he will never amount to a decent defensive hockey player. Well, that isn't the case.

    The kid can be frustrating at times (especially attempting to stick handle through 3 players) and I agree that he doesn't shed the defense well when he enters the offensive zone. But he's getting into the corners more and seems to hold the puck better on the half wall than he used to. I haven't found him very creative but that doesn't mean it won't all kick in. He has hockey smarts...maybe we were just expecting Sidney Crosby/Ray Borque smart....and that is not a fair comparison. It took Stamkos and Tavares a few years to reach their potential. I think Seguin's breakout as a truly elite player is still in front of him and will happen.

    I'm wondering if and when he'll ever get a shot at center...I don't think he'll get that chance in CJ's system unless they let Krejci go.

     
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    childish name calling doesn't add much to the discussion

     

    I can imagine Tyler scoring a lot more goals if he was playing for a team like the Penguins

    But he's not

    And as others have stated he doesn't have line mates that support his strong points ,speed and shooting skill.He needs the puck more . I see him poised for a shot but the puck doesn't get to him.

    And I don't really think CJ knows how to best use a player like Tyler

     

    The Bruins are playing boring hockey . CJ's style is boring. But they have had success with him

     
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    I really don't think it's hockey sense that is the root of the problem. But there is a problem. The more I watch this kid the more frustrated I get, there are continual displays of questionable decisions and flat out soft play. For me there are two issues that are connected to his performance. He is terrified of physical contact, and it's worse than it shows because he disguises it so well. I really can't remember him finishing a check. Is he better than he was at it? - yes. Does he still suck at it? yes. Also, I think he may have been able for his entire career to be highly successful by using his skating and stick skills exclusively. That doesn't make for a complete player. It will never work that way. Just be on David Krejci's level of physical play. Nobody is expecting him to be anymore than that. I really believe that most of the time he is playing through the filter of avoiding confrontation at all costs. I wish an opponent would rough him up a little and challenge him to respond, or really crush him into the boards. I think it would do wonders for him. Doesn't really ever happen because his radar is up full blast. If Seguin competed like Skinner for example, just imagine the results. Talent is unquestionable.

    It may appear like hockey sense, but that's just a result and not the cause.



    Just because a player doesn't play physically or get involved in scrums doesn't mean that the player isn't a competitor. Seguin works hard on both ends of the ice from what I've been watching. Like any player he has flaws, hopefully he can work on those.

     

    I honestly don't know what we're complaining about with him. He put up 67 points at 20, and is on place to come close to that (if it were a full season) at 21. As long as he continues to produce I'm happy. I'd assume he only gets better with age. He also plays pretty well defensively.

     

     

     
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    re: Seguin being able to grow, change, morph or whatever you want to call it.

     

    Have you people been watching all these years?  I see a substantially different player who has progressed significantly in his thus far very short NHL career.

    he was in the press box for significant time at the start of his rookie season, by the end of the season he was an NHL regular.  11 goals in that first season and 29 goals last year.

    11 goals to 29 - significant, no?

     

    I remember thinking the same thing about a young Ray Bourque, issues I saw with him was his decision making when he collected pucks with his back to the play, he would always do this curl move and get hit every time.  He changed that.  Early through Bourque's career he went through phases where the offensive blue line was a sacred place he dare not go too far beyond, then it was the tops of the face off circles, then he finally was comfortable to carry it all the way in if the opportunity was right, before that point I swear he would be thinking to get back to cover first of all if he was on a breakaway.

     

    I've seen him change since I first started the other thread.  He is progressing, he is progressing slowly.  He is getting more physical, it is happenig slowly.  He is trying new things.

     

    And I think people are missing the significance of the very fact of this thread - people are noticing.

    You wouldn't be noticing if he wasn't doing something significant enough - if he didn't have puck possesion long enough no one would notice.  If he weren't making a lot of passes - and some percentage of them errant, no one woud notice, if he weren't involved in those dangerous offensive plays, no one would notice.

     

    Which frustration would you rather have?

    Kessel doing the *exact* (and I mean exactly exact!) same thing every time, - snap shot from the top of the circle.

    OR

    Seguin - doing some things wrong, but you can't sum it up in one sentence.

     

    One of those players can change, the other is a one trick pony.

     
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    I really don't think it's hockey sense that is the root of the problem. But there is a problem. The more I watch this kid the more frustrated I get, there are continual displays of questionable decisions and flat out soft play. For me there are two issues that are connected to his performance. He is terrified of physical contact, and it's worse than it shows because he disguises it so well. I really can't remember him finishing a check. Is he better than he was at it? - yes. Does he still suck at it? yes. Also, I think he may have been able for his entire career to be highly successful by using his skating and stick skills exclusively. That doesn't make for a complete player. It will never work that way. Just be on David Krejci's level of physical play. Nobody is expecting him to be anymore than that. I really believe that most of the time he is playing through the filter of avoiding confrontation at all costs. I wish an opponent would rough him up a little and challenge him to respond, or really crush him into the boards. I think it would do wonders for him. Doesn't really ever happen because his radar is up full blast. If Seguin competed like Skinner for example, just imagine the results. Talent is unquestionable.

    It may appear like hockey sense, but that's just a result and not the cause.

     




     

    He's terrified, but he disguises it so well you can't see it?

    Please provide examples.

    An opponent roughing him up?

    I've seen him in exchanges in scrums many times, and in game 1 v. toronto in this last series, do you recall him diving to break up a play and crashing into the boards behind the net?

    I think you are onto something about his physical play, but I think your reasoning is all wrong.  he skates into traffic risking a big hit - true cowards like Kessel don't even take the risk.  Remember him?  He never skated into traffic ever, never.




    When he trys to reach around somebody from behind along the boards to get to the puck - does it all the time. Looks like he's making an all out effort, but he's really doing it rather than battling for it.

     

    When he's attempting to hunt down the puck on the fore check - gets there just a second too late, then makes contact with the glass flailing his arms so it looks and sounds like he was going all out, but in reality he just missed the hit on purpose

     

    When he has the puck coming his way along the boards and the B's are trying to establish possesion and are busting their azz ro get it done - he will chip it to nowhere, or let it go by completely, or pass it when that's not called for, when he needs to stop on it and battle. Again, looks like he was trying to make a play, but really just trying to get it off his stick under pressure. He has gotten better at this, but I've been watching this charade for 3 yrs now.

    Takes the wrong route to the puck a lot because taking the correct route means a hit is coming his way

    Finish a check ?

    Fight for position in front of the net ?

    Throw a shoulder into someone to knock them off the puck ?

    A Frame along the wall ?

    Take the hit to move the puck ?

    Kill a penalty ?

    Take a penalty from playing on the edge ?

    Enough examples ?

     

     

     

     
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    If Seguin gets into to trying to be a tough guy, he gets further and further away from his skill set.  Saying he needs to take penalties is drifting about as far away from the solution as you can get.  He needs to be engaged, but comfortable.  His most common comparable from his draft day was Steve Yzerman and I still think that is a very good prototype for him.  Or even Martin St. Louis.  They don't need to take penalties and rough people up to be engaged, they just have to outcompete people within theit skill sets.  Faster, more elusive, quicker shot, etc. and then using the speed and skating ability to win 50/50 pucks.    The hockey sense and intincts should continue to develop as he gets more comfortable, gets more space, gets more ice time, etc.

     
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    I really don't think it's hockey sense that is the root of the problem. But there is a problem. The more I watch this kid the more frustrated I get, there are continual displays of questionable decisions and flat out soft play. For me there are two issues that are connected to his performance. He is terrified of physical contact, and it's worse than it shows because he disguises it so well. I really can't remember him finishing a check. Is he better than he was at it? - yes. Does he still suck at it? yes. Also, I think he may have been able for his entire career to be highly successful by using his skating and stick skills exclusively. That doesn't make for a complete player. It will never work that way. Just be on David Krejci's level of physical play. Nobody is expecting him to be anymore than that. I really believe that most of the time he is playing through the filter of avoiding confrontation at all costs. I wish an opponent would rough him up a little and challenge him to respond, or really crush him into the boards. I think it would do wonders for him. Doesn't really ever happen because his radar is up full blast. If Seguin competed like Skinner for example, just imagine the results. Talent is unquestionable.

    It may appear like hockey sense, but that's just a result and not the cause.

     




     

    He's terrified, but he disguises it so well you can't see it?

    Please provide examples.

    An opponent roughing him up?

    I've seen him in exchanges in scrums many times, and in game 1 v. toronto in this last series, do you recall him diving to break up a play and crashing into the boards behind the net?

    I think you are onto something about his physical play, but I think your reasoning is all wrong.  he skates into traffic risking a big hit - true cowards like Kessel don't even take the risk.  Remember him?  He never skated into traffic ever, never.

     




     

    When he trys to reach around somebody from behind along the boards to get to the puck - does it all the time. Looks like he's making an all out effort, but he's really doing it rather than battling for it.

     

    When he's attempting to hunt down the puck on the fore check - gets there just a second too late, then makes contact with the glass flailing his arms so it looks and sounds like he was going all out, but in reality he just missed the hit on purpose

     

    When he has the puck coming his way along the boards and the B's are trying to establish possesion and are busting their azz ro get it done - he will chip it to nowhere, or let it go by completely, or pass it when that's not called for, when he needs to stop on it and battle. Again, looks like he was trying to make a play, but really just trying to get it off his stick under pressure. He has gotten better at this, but I've been watching this charade for 3 yrs now.

    Takes the wrong route to the puck a lot because taking the correct route means a hit is coming his way

    Finish a check ?

    Fight for position in front of the net ?

    Throw a shoulder into someone to knock them off the puck ?

    A Frame along the wall ?

    Take the hit to move the puck ?

    Kill a penalty ?

    Take a penalty from playing on the edge ?

    Enough examples ?

     

     

     



    Yes, good examples, however...

    Take a penalty from playing on the edge ?

    I don't want that, unless that's in your dna there's no sense in trying to foster it, it just doesn't work.

    Kill a penalty ?

    I don't understand that one, he's not on the pk unit altho I think he'd be good at it.

     

    Fundamentally I think you're saying he's a coward.  You might be right, but what I can say is that there are others who are significantly more cowardly, I've already cited Kessel.  But what about someone like Crosby?  Yes, we're talking about a different talent level, but wouldn't you say a lot of these same things about Crosby?  With a *major* difference, Seguin doesn't cry his eyes out to the ref anytime anyone touches him.

     
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    I'm not sure Seguin is playing to his maximum abilities playing the wing position, when his natural position is center.

     
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    hogwash. His skills and performance have progressed regularly.

     
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    Good reading.  The only points I strongly disagree with are

    A.  He should be playing center.

    B.  His defensive play gives credence to his maturation as a player.

     
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    If Seguin gets into to trying to be a tough guy, he gets further and further away from his skill set.  Saying he needs to take penalties is drifting about as far away from the solution as you can get.  He needs to be engaged, but comfortable.  His most common comparable from his draft day was Steve Yzerman and I still think that is a very good prototype for him.  Or even Martin St. Louis.  They don't need to take penalties and rough people up to be engaged, they just have to outcompete people within theit skill sets.  Faster, more elusive, quicker shot, etc. and then using the speed and skating ability to win 50/50 pucks.    The hockey sense and intincts should continue to develop as he gets more comfortable, gets more space, gets more ice time, etc.

     



    Joe Sakic is also a decent comparable in size and style. 18 hits in 82 games and nobody ever called him soft or afraid. 

     

     
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    Tyler Seguin is the Bruins best shooter on a team that has guys who are completely overrated--Lucic (really tired of the Neely comparisons), Horton (goes into Josef Stumpel-esque fogs that can last 15 games). He fits in perfectly for the B's and he's going to become a 40-goal scorer within 2 more seasons. If he has no hockey sense, then give me 3 more of him on a power play and I'll see how quickly the PP ratio goes from 15 percent to 30 percent. Marchand is a tremendous player, and so is Bergeron, and so is Krecji, and all of them don't have Seguin's explosive qualities. Maybe he hasn't played up to what others want out of a top of the line draft pick, but I'm real pleased with him, and damn glad he's a Bruin. He's got a great sense of humor for a kid his age, and he isn't even close to touching his overall potential, and when he does, let Olsonic come back here and tell us more about no "hockey sense."

     
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    Patrice Bergeron, for the record, is an incredible two-player, and I still think if he doesn't get the concussions, he is a top 5 NHL scorer. He changed his game, altered his entire approach after coming back from the long layoffs (strike, concussions). He is the team's best player, and I want to make that clear as I discuss Seguin. Bergeron is Mr. Clutch, also.

     
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    I really don't think it's hockey sense that is the root of the problem. But there is a problem. The more I watch this kid the more frustrated I get, there are continual displays of questionable decisions and flat out soft play. For me there are two issues that are connected to his performance. He is terrified of physical contact, and it's worse than it shows because he disguises it so well. I really can't remember him finishing a check. Is he better than he was at it? - yes. Does he still suck at it? yes. Also, I think he may have been able for his entire career to be highly successful by using his skating and stick skills exclusively. That doesn't make for a complete player. It will never work that way. Just be on David Krejci's level of physical play. Nobody is expecting him to be anymore than that. I really believe that most of the time he is playing through the filter of avoiding confrontation at all costs. I wish an opponent would rough him up a little and challenge him to respond, or really crush him into the boards. I think it would do wonders for him. Doesn't really ever happen because his radar is up full blast. If Seguin competed like Skinner for example, just imagine the results. Talent is unquestionable.

    It may appear like hockey sense, but that's just a result and not the cause.

     




     

    He's terrified, but he disguises it so well you can't see it?

    Please provide examples.

    An opponent roughing him up?

    I've seen him in exchanges in scrums many times, and in game 1 v. toronto in this last series, do you recall him diving to break up a play and crashing into the boards behind the net?

    I think you are onto something about his physical play, but I think your reasoning is all wrong.  he skates into traffic risking a big hit - true cowards like Kessel don't even take the risk.  Remember him?  He never skated into traffic ever, never.

     




     

    When he trys to reach around somebody from behind along the boards to get to the puck - does it all the time. Looks like he's making an all out effort, but he's really doing it rather than battling for it.

     

    When he's attempting to hunt down the puck on the fore check - gets there just a second too late, then makes contact with the glass flailing his arms so it looks and sounds like he was going all out, but in reality he just missed the hit on purpose

     

    When he has the puck coming his way along the boards and the B's are trying to establish possesion and are busting their azz ro get it done - he will chip it to nowhere, or let it go by completely, or pass it when that's not called for, when he needs to stop on it and battle. Again, looks like he was trying to make a play, but really just trying to get it off his stick under pressure. He has gotten better at this, but I've been watching this charade for 3 yrs now.

    Takes the wrong route to the puck a lot because taking the correct route means a hit is coming his way

    Finish a check ?

    Fight for position in front of the net ?

    Throw a shoulder into someone to knock them off the puck ?

    A Frame along the wall ?

    Take the hit to move the puck ?

    Kill a penalty ?

    Take a penalty from playing on the edge ?

    Enough examples ?

     

     

     



    You're sure about this.You state it as if you know this is fact.I've seen him make contact numerous times, with my own eyes, and although i will not compare him to Fat, i will say he is not afraid of contact or contact to take a d-man off the puck. If he see's he's going to get steamrolled then yes i have seen him try to avoid that contact but i'm ok with that. I guess he's not perfect, but who is at 20 yrs old?

     
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    OC, you've presented an argument, and supported it with your observations, in a clear and readable manner. Well done. 

     

    I don't completely agree with it, but your argument reminds me of Russ Courtnall. Great shot, really fast, but had no clue what to do when he got there, except blast away. All the D had to do was stand him up at the Blueline and let him shoot from some bad angle. Personally I thought the Courtnall for Kordic trade was pretty good. 

     

    I think Seguin is much better all around player than Courtnall, but still needs to improve a few moves to take him from very good to awesome. Let's not forget his +-. EXCEPTIONAL for a young player. 

     

     

     

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