Boston will make the playoffs

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : Some fans are so dumb they think they are one player away from being elite. Now they want lottery picks. How ironic.
    Posted by tompenny[/QUOTE]

    I think they are one player away from being elite, at least for one year more for the BIG 3, with or w/o Rondo but with Bass, Pietrus, Green, A. Bradley and Stiemsma and that's with Dwight Howard !!!
     
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    lottery players means noting and no championship!thank you tell that to fiercest man hes been nugging about lottery players!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Some of the fans here would rather play 2 more weeks in May than get a lottery pick that will impact this Celts franchise for the next 5-10 years! Ugh!

    If your dream came true and the Celtics barely missed the playoffs, you're only talking about the difference between the 13th-14th pick and 15th-16th. That's not a significant gap. If the Celtics really like someone that much at 13 and they're picking at 15 or 16, they can probably trade up with ease. They're not going to win a top 3 pick in the lottery. It just doesn't happen for them. They've got a better chance of shocking Miami or Chicago in the playoffs.

    Also keep in mind that the recent draft successes for the Celtics all came with late draft picks. Rondo, Allen, West, and Perkins were selected in the 20s; Davis and Powe were second rounders. There are plenty of good players who will be available where a playoff Celtics team would select, and just as many, if not more, lottery players who will flame out and do nothing.

    The key to turning this franchise around will be drafting Tony Allen-caliber players for the bench and using the cap space to sign young impact free agents with upside.
     
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    I disagree with few people.

    Celtics need to have a new future lottery pick to replace Pierce or allen or Garnett.  If you look at most teams who have won a NBA title, they all have a lottery pick player along with another lottery pick player or players who was/were drafted from another team.

    Lakers had Kobe, Gasol, Shaq, Fisher, Bynum, etc who all a lottery picks.
    Pistons had Billups, Hamilton, Wallace, etc who were all a lottery picks (funny part is that none of them were originally drafted by the Pistons).
    Mavs had Nitowski, Kidd, Butler, Marion, Terry, etc.
    Heats had Wade, Shaq, Anderson, Antonie walker, etc.

    For Cavs, they had Lebron, but they never try to add more talents around Lebron to try to win a NBA title.  That was why they failed for years.

    So therefore, with this upcoming draft, it is suppose to be the better draft in years at the same time I would like to see the Celtics to fail to make into the playoff.   So that way they can draft a big man!!  And then buy free agents, and resign Allen and Garnett for a cheap contract to become the team's back up.   




     
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    [QUOTE]If Boston beats Milwaukee on thursday they will be 4 games up on Milwaukee in the loss column with only 20 games left. Boston would also win the tie breaker with Milwaukee so Milwaukee would have to make up 5 games on the Celtics over the next 20 games. Boston would also most likely win the tie breaker against the Knicks. If Boston doesn't make a run up the Eastern Conference standings, they will probably have the 15th or 16th and 24th draft picks this summer. (Projected as of today). 
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    JJJ was 27 I believe and is a decent pick.

    Thanks to all who have contributed to an excellent and informative thread. It's really great to see FANS respond! In spite of all the obstacles this year, the Celtics have been a delight to watch and very entertaining at times. Real heart from real players! I personally hope they win every game that they have left this year. The only games I ever tanked were with my kids and grand kids and other youngsters that needed a boost.

    As far as the season being a waste I don't believe it was. Owners and Players got paid. Venders and others who depend on a season were o.k. and we the fans got to see one more year of the big three, sometimes not at their best but at other times just magnficent! Combined with a very talented Rondo and some bit players that super excelled at times it was a good year (and it's still not over).

    There are always draft picks that fit into a team kind a play that can be far more important than lottery picks as evidenced by Bostons fabulous history. To have 3 first rounders or 2/1 is a bonus.

    Thanks again for some quality commentary and insight... from behind my green glasses.

    Gary
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : How did that Paul Pierce will score at least 25 pts against the Hawks work out for you?
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    sowhat was the outcome f the game???i bet ur crying cuz c's came out as a victoriuos..pp fouled troble??but on thursday just watch n shut ur mouth!

     
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    I also agree that that the NBA champs of the last 10 years had lottery picks leading their respective teams to a championship. 

    Most of whom were acquired via trade or free agency!

    Take the Lakers, for example. Kobe Bryant was the 13th pick (barely in the lottery) and obtained in a trade for Vlade Divac. Shaquille O'Neal was an Orlando lottery pick who signed as a free agent. Pau Gasol was a Memphis lottery pick acquired via trade. Lamar Odom was a lottery pick signed as a free agent. Andrew Bynum was the lone Laker lottery pick. Derek Fisher was not a lottery pick, as previously asserted. He was selected 24th in the 1996 draft.

    Now let's look at the Mavericks. Tyson Chandler was acquired in a trade. Jason Kidd (second stint with the team) was signed as a free agent. Jason Terry was a Dallas lottery pick (10th overall), although never really more than a complementary player. Dirk Nowitzki was a Dallas lottery pick. Shawn Marion was a lottery pick acquired by trade.

    The San Antonio Spurs only have one lottery pick on their entire team: Tim Duncan (although they had David Robinson too for their first two championships). The other guys were selected in the mid to late teens, 20s, or second round!

    Our '08 Celtics only had three lottery picks: Kevin Garnett (No. 5, 1995), Ray Allen (No. 5, 1996), Paul Pierce (No. 10, 1998), and a fourth guy, Rondo, who plays more like a lottery pick today than he did back then, despite being selected 21st overall. Only one of those lottery picks was homegrown. The other two were acquired via trades that only involved one lottery pick: a No. 5 overall that turned into Jeff Green who then got traded back here anyway for a 27th pick overall, Kendrick Perkins.

    The 2001 Pistons also had three lottery picks, only one of whom was homegrown (Richard Hamilton, No. 7, 1999). Chauncey Billups (3rd overall) and Rasheed Wallace (4th overall) were acquired via trade. Tayshaun Prince was a 23rd pick. Ben Wallace was undrafted.

    Those are all the championship teams that date back to the beginning of the post-Jordan era.

    In short, only the Mavericks won with two homegrown lottery picks (a 9th pick and a 10th pick). The Pistons, Spurs, Lakers, and Celtics all got by with only one homegrown lottery pick each, and built the rest of their teams around shrewd trades, free agent acquisitions, and non-lottery draft selections.

    This notion that you need to draft in the lottery to win a championship is demonstrably false.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : +1, wow.  That speaks for itself.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]

    Thats exactly right. And for all those who keep saying our low first round picks are going to cure this team should realize they will not.  If the Cs happen to get two pretty good players at those spots, it will take at least two years to make a difference if ever...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : I think they are one player away from being elite, at least for one year more for the BIG 3, with or w/o Rondo but with Bass, Pietrus, Green, A. Bradley and Stiemsma and that's with Dwight Howard !!!
    Posted by mandobello[/QUOTE]

    What one player other than DH would make this team elite?
     
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    What one player other than DH would make this team elite?

    No one player ever makes a championship team. Not even Michael Jordan won alone. It always takes a combination. Among free agents, Deron Williams would be valuable because he'd be an upgrade at point guard and would allow the Celtics to then move Rondo for additional help.

    Another possibility would be to wait until next off-season to spend long-term money and go after both Dwight Howard and Chris Paul. Let the Nets blow their cap space on second-tier free agents. Other free agents after next year include Monta Ellis (ETO), James Harden (restricted), DeMar DeRozan (restricted), Josh Smith, Serge Ibaka (restricted), Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, Tyler Hansbrough (restricted), Samuel Dalembert, Nikola Pekovic, Emeka Okafor, and Zaza Pachulia.

    A plotting Ainge could facilitate trades for other teams with cap space, like the Nets and Mavericks, to ensure that they don't have sufficient cap room for next year's free agent bonanza. If Howard and Paul's only option to play together will be in Boston, they might go for it. Get those two together and maybe Josh Smith, Samuel Dalembert, Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson come on board for the MLE, with a then-geriatric "Big Three" as the veteran minimum wage mentors on the second unit (except Pierce, on the last year of his big deal).

    Re-sign Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to team-friendly, front-loaded 2 year deals, or 1 year deals with 2nd year team options for the minimum. The Celtics can even overpay them a little for Year 1, if they're saving money for Howard, Paul, and a good MLE guy in Year 2. With the rest of the money, sign OJ Mayo on a heavily front-loaded in Year 1 contract for medium dollars, and Jeff Green for the MLE. Trade Rondo for additional help, cap relief, and/or picks once Paul is signed.

    2013-2014

    C Dwight Howard (max)
    PF Al Jefferson (2013 MLE, year 1)
    SF Jeff Green (2012 MLE, year 2)
    PG Chris Paul (max)
    SG OJ Mayo (2012 FA acquisition)

    C Kevin Garnett
    PF Brandon Bass
    SF Paul Pierce
    PG Avery Bradley? Marquis Teague? Some other draft pick? Whoever.
    SG Ray Allen

    C Greg Stiemsma
    PF JaJuan Johnson
    SF Draft pick
    PG Draft pick
    SG E'twaun Moore/pick/whoever.

    That's a team that can win a championship.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : What one player other than DH would make this team elite?
    Posted by CASox[/QUOTE]

    Kaman makes this team elite. Ask Fierce. 
     
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    [QUOTE]It's not misleading because we were talking about how lottery draft picks often don't work out well, not who drafted them. What's interesting is that Thabeet, Flynn and Hill have now been traded twice since they were drafted. Thabeet will probably be out of the league next year. Flynn as best will be a back up and Hill looks like he will also be a back up.
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    In the same draft they drafted flynn they drafted the best point guard in the league with the initials RR.... 18 points and 9 rebounds and the emergence of the TWolves, and helping the best young front court get there with Love, Beasley, Williams, and Peckovic.... if whomever is the GM of Minn called Danny and said let's trade rosters I would do it in a heartbeat.........  they are set up with tons of top 5 picks that are budding all-stars and young players that will be all-stars and assuming Rubio comes back from his injury, they will be a force going forward whereas the Cs will be one of the worst teams in the league pretending to its fans that with Rondo and Pierce they are a good team while encouraging, preaching, and providing mediocrity.
     
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    Rubio better than Rondo. The jokes never cease. You make fun of Rondo's shooting when he is 17th in FG percentage while Rubio is 66th among PG at a fantastic .357 percent. 
     
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    PG rankings genius. But hey. Don't use logic. I know " among PG " must be really confusing to you.
     
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    I find all this fascination with lottery picks really amusing. The Celtics aren't going to get a top 10 pick this year, even if they only win 5 more games. Once you get outside the top 10, there's not much difference between 11 and 13, 14 and 16, 18 and 20, etc. It's a crapshoot after 20. When the Celtics make the playoffs, they'll still have a mid-teens pick which is just as good as a No. 11-14 most years.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : Rondo is not 17th best among PGs. Stop making stuff up. But show us all where Rondo is 17th best in FG% among PGs. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Prove me wrong...He's actually tied with Lin and Devin Harris at 16th among PG's.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boston will make the playoffs : Prove me wrong...He's actually tied with Lin and Devin Harris at 16th among PG's.
    Posted by tompenny[/QUOTE]

    According to this Rondo is 8th in fg percentage of pgs.  http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/position/point-guards

     

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