Re: Calling all Laker fans where are you?
posted at 5/21/2011 11:37 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Calling all Laker fans where are you?
[QUOTE]....who is talking about Chuck Cooper......? look at the tremendous talent that played during the Celtic reign (1957-1976....20 years/13 titles/14 Finals appearances) Bill Russell Elgin Baylor Wilt Chamberlain Oscar Robertson Nate Thurmond Wes Unseld Willis Reed Sam Jones Elvin Hayes Paul Silas Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Walt Bellamy Hall of Famers and/or NBA Top 50 guys......[/QUOTE]
Yeah? the NBA was only about HOF guys?
In 1960, the NBA had less than 10% African Americans.http://ilanderyouth.com/news-articles/african-american-heroes-broke-color-barrier
In 1964, only 15%http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=WVIGQ7WGdp8C&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=NBA+1960s+%22black+player%22+percentage&source=bl&ots=74BwO9ZnGh&sig=RO1dEmNRPTIVufHqQeps5o97T0Y&hl=zh-TW&ei=PH7YTa-uLo3YuAOE0LWkBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
That's the Celtics' dynasty reign. You are talking about another 70% of the jobs not occupied by African Americans, as of now. So what's the level of the league then? Keep naming the Russells, Wilt, Oscar, Baylor, etc. aren't going to help your argument. These players are feasting on the white stiffs instead of the players on the level of Kendrick Perkins, James Possey, Antonio McDyess, Jason Terry, Tim Salmons, Ben Gordon, etc., African American players outside of the top 15% of the players but wouldn't have had the chance to play in the NBA in the early 1960s.
[QUOTE]The "Big Four" is not my term.....it was created by the media in portraying the top teams in the league during the '80's it consisted of the Celtics, Sixers, and Bucks (later the Pistons) in the East.....and the Lakers in the West.....think there was a little different level of competition between the conferences during that time?[/QUOTE]
The 80s is not only your era. I was also there. this "Big Four" was not created by the media but your own imagination. There was no recognition of the Bucks as a "big" team. Keep making things up aren't going to save your argument. Besides, the Piston reign cannot overlap with the Dr. J 76ers reign (which went from 1977-1985), while the Bad Boys Piston reign began in 1987. Did you really follow the league in the 80s?
..also, what about the Lakers making the playoffs 4 times between '59 & '66 with losing regular season records....? .....even making the Finals?[/QUOTE]
What about it? The Lakers made the final only once in that condition, in 1959. The other ones aren't even in the argument. You know, I am not bragging about the Lakers making the playoffs with losing record while the Celtics missed the playoffs...
.... LA has more appearances....? YES.....but they did NOT display utter dominance as the Celtics have.....to put it in perspective....IF the Celtics had been able to make it to the Finals as many times as the Lakers.....the Celtics would need to go 0-12 in those series to equal the Lakers' record of 1 game over .500...... [/QUOTE]
What dominance are you talking about? 17-48 vs 16-47? that's dominance?
The point is, SCOREBOARD. The Celtics didn't make the finals in those 44 occasions. Your speculation is fruitless. Yep, I can easily pick 12 finals that the Celtics, had they made it with fluky conference playoffs, gone 0-12. let's see:
2009, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1995, 1994, 1988, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1977, 1975, 1972, 1971....
You pointed out the key point already: "if the Celtics had been able to make it to the Finals". The FACT is, the Celtics aren't good enough to make it, unable to make it. You think it's that easy to win the conference 4 times like the Bills? Ask Detroit, KC, SD, Cleveland and the NY Jets how many times have they won the conference. So you aren't even good enough to go 0-12 in the finals in those years that they missed, i.e. WORSE than 0-12.
See, you keep bragging about the Celtics' conference failure to avoid more losses in the finals. I wonder why...
If anything, the NBA we are watching is a watered down product where guys like "Sasha" can make rosters that they would never crack 30 years ago.....
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Yeah? why only Sasha? You mean you don't know about Dirk, the Gasol brothers, Hakeem, Parker, Manu, Mutombo, ....