In Response to Re: Celtics vs. Lakers - Thread to end all Threads on this subject
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Celtics vs. Lakers - Thread to end all Threads on this subject : I will give you one last chance to redeem yourself and your pathetic arguments. I will answer your questions. I have no problem answering your questions. You answer my questions with Princeton is the best MLB team.
Boy, you really have to learn how to argue.
"The answer is Princeton" means your feeble attempt to use the Yankees as the example of your argument is soundly refuted by Princeton as a counter example.
And talking about chances, you have more chances to answer my questions. But knowing that by answering them, you would incriminate yourself. I can't blame you...
[QUOTE]Obviously you don't want to answer that question because your answer will contradict your whole arguement. [/QUOTE]
Nope, because my use of Princeton (as an answer) is enough to refute your whole argument. Seeing that you have no response to that, great. Better cry mama why I didn't answer your question to imply "that the Yankees were the best baseball team due to ancient championships". I mean, if you need me to spell all these out for you, you just show that you are an easy prey...
If you weren't such a p u s s y then you would simply answer the question and back up your answer. I said Princeton has the most college football championships. I answered your question and I backed up my answer that they are the most successful team in college football history because they have the most championships. [/QUOTE]
Yeah? says who? Who considers this program with the most college football championships the successful program in college football history? I certainly have asked you who in 2011 would consider Princeton the greatest college football program. Where's your answer? Do you think I'll let you off the hook here?
But see you are comparing apples to count chocula there. I am talking about professional sports and you are talking about college. [/QUOTE]
Yep, when there is a clear cut example that most championships != most successful, let's restrict this conversation to a context that favors you...
[QUOTE] You should have rephrased your question and asked what colleage football team is the most relevant right now or the last 10 years. Then my answer would have been different. But if you want to know who the most successful college football team of all time is then it is Princeton hands down. [/QUOTE]
Except no one recognizes it. I don't have to limit the timeframe to 10 years and you still can't get anyone to recognize Princeton. Wonder why?
The Celtics played 65 seasons. They made the playoffs 49 times and won 17 championships. So when the Celtics got to the playoffs they made the most of their chances. Obviously you have to make the playoffs to have a chance to win the championship. Is that not a true statement? [/QUOTE]
See, you are hiding the whole truth again, i.e. using selected truth to lie.
Obviously you have to play in the regular season to make the playoffs, is that a true statement or not? By that logic, you have to play in the regular season to have a chance to win the championship, is that a true statement or not?
Better dodge it.
Last I knew you can't win a championship unless you are in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Last I know you can't win a championship unless you are in the league playing the regular season.
Is that a false statement? Yes those 16 seaons count as chances to make the playoffs but they didn't. The Lakers have a better pecentage of making the playoffs than the Celtics....congratulations. However, that means they failed more times in the playoffs....ouch. That means the Celtics failed more times in the regular season. Congratulations another moral victory for you Laker fans. [/QUOTE]
See, you are very confused. Those 16 seasons count as chances to win the championships but they didn't. In other words, they had 65 chances to win the championships, true or false?
But you fail to look at the flip side of the coin. FAILING TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS is the cardinal sin then if making it is no big deal (merely moral victory in your book). Just like Lakers beating the Timbucktoo High is not a big deal, isn't even worth a mention. But Lakers losing to TBT High is a big deal then, it should be touted as the ultimate embarrassment...
So what would you say about the Cetlics' failing to make the playoffs?
And no matter what, a failure is a failure. Failure to make the playoffs counts as one, just like failing in the 2nd round. Failing to make the playoffs doesn't give you one fewer attempt.
The Celtics were not in the Finals against the Lakers in those other 13 championships they won. I mean that is obvious because if the Celtics were there they would have probably won at least half of them or more. I mean where were the Lakers for 9 of the championships the Celtics won. Oh that's right they were in the Finals getting r a p e d by the Celtics. [/QUOTE]
And the Celtics in those 13 occasions? Oh that's right, they weren't even good enough to lose to the Lakers. So do you think losing in the finals is bad? You have to be good enough to lose in the finals.
So again I pose another question to you that you won't answer. Would you prefer the Lakers to not make the playoffs or make the playoffs and not win a championship?
Of course I prefer them to make the playoffs. Advancing 1 round is still better than advancing 0 round. Your fellow fans' reactions last year (after game 7) were testimony to that. They were thankful that the Celtics got so close. In other words, the Celtics getting r*p*d by the Lakers, to your fellow fans, are still better than getting their behind kicked by the Heat in the 2nd round.
I will give you a hint. If you are a true fan it doesn't matter if you make the playoffs or not because anything short of a championship is a failure. [/QUOTE]
I give you a hint. This nonsense doesn't hold water here. You are not good enough to define what a true fan is. The Celtic fans' appreciation of a great run in 2010 had soundly refuted this nonsense.
Maybe not for every franchise in the NBA but for teams like the Celtics and Lakers if you don't deliver a championship then the season means nothing. I gurantee you Kobe would say the same thing. Do you think Kobe considered this past NBA season a success? [/QUOTE]
I guarantee you Kobe would rather play in the finals (and lost to the heat) than this 2nd round embarrassment. See, your guarantee is based on wishy washy with nothing to back up. I can easily counter with my guarantee.
And still, the Celtics failed 48 times, counting non-playoff seasons and losing finalists season. That you can't argue.
I am guessing you already know the answer to that question. So keep counting the moral victories and I will countine counting championships. By my count it is still 17-16 in favor of the Celtics. [/QUOTE]
Your count doesn't mean much, even to your Celtic fans. Greatness is not defined just by one count. Look no further than those who consider 9 rings are greater than 11 rings, or 6 rings are greater than 11 rings...
There is nothing you can do about it, except cry mama...
Same as it was yesterday and the day before and the day before that. So did you have any other questions I can answer? I believe I covered all of yours. Now would you care to answer my questions? I am guessing I know the answer to that question. You will cut and past a few of my lines and then circumvent my questions by asking more questions. Patheitc. You know what they say about people who won't answer a question. They know they are wrong. Case in point. Game over.
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Well, your answers are soundly refuted. So what next? Are you going to answer more questions or simply dodge them?