Celtics vs. Magic

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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.

     
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    Question - does a PG who shoots a terrible percentage from downtown fit B. Stevens offense? 

     



    I keep saying it, Rondo is not a good fit in Stevens' system.

     

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    I disagree.  Can't add one more constraint.  It is Stevens' job to design a system that fits the personnel.

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    B. Stevens could try to implement the Doug Moe style offense "run and gun"  - It would be more fun to watch! 

     
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    I disagree.  Can't add one more constraint.  It is Stevens' job to design a system that fits the personnel.

     

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    Fits the personnel means the whole team.

     

    But not for just 1 player.

     

    Celts were doing well when Crawford was the PG because every Celtic on the floor was a scoring threat.

     

    Doc Rivers was the master at masking Rondo's weaknesses.

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    As I said, I disagree.  There are many issues with this team.  And as the Celts address them, Brad has to work a system that fit the personnel including maximizing Rondo's strengths.  It is not like the Celts were doing great with Crawford.

     
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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.

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    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?

     
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    B. Stevens could try to implement the Doug Moe offense "run and gun"  - It would be more fun to watch! 



    Brad Stevens believes in analytics.

    The system is an equal opportunity offense, getting players open to get easy shots.

    Every player is a threat and must  s-h-o-o-t  if open.

     
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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.




    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?

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    Read and react offense versus two man game where you focus on mis-matches! 

     

     
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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.

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    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?

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    "The sets they run are more read-and-react type things than the normal execution of go from point A to B and then go on with this. He's got terminology of actions. But he's not going to play the two-man game or three-man game to see what the defense is going to give him. Instead he'll run an action and leave it to his players to read the defense. "That has made it difficult to get a handle on what he's doing, because he might get three different things on three possessions all on the same play call. What they ran the first time with that terminology isn't going to be the same thing they run the second time he makes that call.

     
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    Fits the personnel means the whole team.

     

    But not for just 1 player.

     

    Celts were doing well when Crawford was the PG because every Celtic on the floor was a scoring threat.

     

    Doc Rivers was the master at masking Rondo's weaknesses.

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    Crawford held the ball too long, chucked up bad shots and was very inconsistent.  JG a threat?  Really???  Sully a threat?  Come on man, get real.  Folks are scared of Oly shooting 3s, JG shooting 3s, AB shooting 3s.  No wander the paint is packed.  THEY CANT PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET FROM BEYOND THE ARC!!! 

     
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    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?



    Equal opportunity.

    The offense will try to get players open.

    All players must  s-h-o-o-t  when open.

     

    Stevens is not like Doc Rivers where you will see Ray Allen coming off 2 screens to get an open  s-h-o-t.

     

     
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    B. Stevens could try to implement the Doug Moe offense "run and gun"  - It would be more fun to watch! 

     

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    Brad Stevens believes in analytics.

     

    The system is an equal opportunity offense, getting players open to get easy shots.

    Every player is a threat and must  s-h-o-o-t  if open.

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    Do you want Sully and Oly chucking threes? Who is going to be under the basket rebounding.  If it is read and react, why does RR need to be standing behind the three point line? Can't he take a 18-20 footer? Or drive in "since his defender will be a few feet away? 

     
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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.

     

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    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?

     

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    Read and react offense versus two man game where you focus on mis-matches! 

     

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    Read and react requires people to move and create spaces as well.  There were serious spacing issues when Rondo was on the floor and not because of him.  I do believe that people are getting used to Rondo's presence.

     
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    Crawford held the ball too long, chucked up bad shots and was very inconsistent.  JG a threat?  Really???  Sully a threat?  Come on man, get real.  Folks are scared of Oly shooting 3s, JG shooting 3s, AB shooting 3s.  No wander the paint is packed.  THEY CANT PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET FROM BEYOND THE ARC!!! 



    Like I said, Rondo is not a good fit because Rondo is not a scoring PG.

    When you have 3 HoFers then Rondo is the perfect PG.

    But with this current Celtics team, you said it yourself, Rondo has no one to pass to.

     

    New salary cap rules will also prevent teams from having 3 superstars.

    So if Rondo is to succeed in Brad's system, Rondo has to score at least 16 points per game.

    But you're not going to average 16 ppg if you're a PG and you don't have a 3-point s-h-o-t.

     
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    Do you want Sully and Oly chucking threes? Who is going to be under the basket rebounding.  If it is read and react, why does RR need to be standing behind the three point line? Can't he take a 18-20 footer? Or drive in "since his defender will be a few feet away? 



    If you didn't notice, that's what the Celts are doing.

    Sully and Oly are chucking up 3s.

     

    Like I said, it's not Rondo, it's the system.

    Doc Rivers is the best coach for Rondo, not Brad Stevens.

     
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    I don't think Brad Stevens will change his system or change the way he coaches just to accommodate Rondo.

     

     




    What is this Brad Stevens' system that you are talking about?

     

     



    Read and react offense versus two man game where you focus on mis-matches! 

     

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    Read and react requires people to move and create spaces as well.  There were serious spacing issues when Rondo was on the floor and not because of him.  I do believe that people are getting used to Rondo's presence.

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    Agree - but will defenders follow Rondo to the arc if they dont believe he can make a s-*t? Likely the answer is no - they will play off him and transition to a help defender if/when needed!

     

     
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    Crawford held the ball too long, chucked up bad shots and was very inconsistent.  JG a threat?  Really???  Sully a threat?  Come on man, get real.  Folks are scared of Oly shooting 3s, JG shooting 3s, AB shooting 3s.  No wander the paint is packed.  THEY CANT PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET FROM BEYOND THE ARC!!! 

     

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    Like I said, Rondo is not a good fit because Rondo is not a scoring PG.

     

    When you have 3 HoFers then Rondo is the perfect PG.

    But with this current Celtics team, you said it yourself, Rondo has no one to pass to.

     

    New salary cap rules will also prevent teams from having 3 superstars.

    So if Rondo is to succeed in Brad's system, Rondo has to score at least 16 points per game.

    But you're not going to average 16 ppg if you're a PG and you don't have a 3-point s-h-o-t.

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    I disagree. But let me ask you this.  If Rondo can only succeed on a team with superstars i.e., KG, RA and Pierce, how did they do w/o Rondo?  There flaws were exposed.

     
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    Read and react requires people to move and create spaces as well.  There were serious spacing issues when Rondo was on the floor and not because of him.  I do believe that people are getting used to Rondo's presence.



    You didn't notice the Lakers and Magic always give Rondo space, daring him to  s-h-o-o-t?

     

    The problem is not Rondo, he's just not a good fit for this new coach.

     
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    I disagree. But let me ask you this.  If Rondo can only succeed on a team with superstars i.e., KG, RA and Pierce, how did they do w/o Rondo?  There flaws were exposed.



    KG, Pierce, and Ray were perfect for Rondo.

    It was a well oiled machine.

    But KG, Pierce, and Ray are gone.

     

    Again, the problem is not Rondo, it's the system.

     
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    Read and react requires people to move and create spaces as well.  There were serious spacing issues when Rondo was on the floor and not because of him.  I do believe that people are getting used to Rondo's presence.

     

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    You didn't notice the Lakers and Magic always give Rondo space, daring him to  s-h-o-o-t?

     

     

    The problem is not Rondo, he's just not a good fit for this new coach.

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    The bigger question is does Stevens know that?  How about Ainge?

     
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    Crawford held the ball too long, chucked up bad shots and was very inconsistent.  JG a threat?  Really???  Sully a threat?  Come on man, get real.  Folks are scared of Oly shooting 3s, JG shooting 3s, AB shooting 3s.  No wander the paint is packed.  THEY CANT PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET FROM BEYOND THE ARC!!! 

     

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    Like I said, Rondo is not a good fit because Rondo is not a scoring PG.

     

    When you have 3 HoFers then Rondo is the perfect PG.

    But with this current Celtics team, you said it yourself, Rondo has no one to pass to.

     

    New salary cap rules will also prevent teams from having 3 superstars.

    So if Rondo is to succeed in Brad's system, Rondo has to score at least 16 points per game.

    But you're not going to average 16 ppg if you're a PG and you don't have a 3-point s-h-o-t.

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    I am not sure where the scoring point guard requirement comes from.  Yes, Rondo can't be a scoring liability.  But we are talking 2nd. game back here with serious minute restrictions.  Plus a team that is really not spacing well yet in the system.

     
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    Just look at DeAndre Jordan now, when Doc is coach.

    Jordan leads the NBA in rebounding, 2nd in FG%, and 3rd in blocks.

     

    Compare that to when Del Negro was coaching the Clips.

     

    Doc Rivers is the perfect coach for players like Rondo.

     

    Brad Stevens believes in analytics and science.

    Rondo will have to adapt to Stevens, not the other way around.

     
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    The bigger question is does Stevens know that?  How about Ainge?



    I keep saying it, if a team offers a top 5 pick or a lottery pick for Rondo, Rondo is gone!

     
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    I am not sure where the scoring point guard requirement comes from.  Yes, Rondo can't be a scoring liability.  But we are talking 2nd. game back here with serious minute restrictions.  Plus a team that is really not spacing well yet in the system.



    You can keep making excuses, but the spacing will never be well if you're not a threat from beyond the arc.

     

    Next game is at Miami.

    A perfect game to see how to defend Rondo.

    Cole will just stay at the FT line and roam.

    Rondo will be open from beyond the arc all night.

     
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    Read and react requires people to move and create spaces as well.  There were serious spacing issues when Rondo was on the floor and not because of him.  I do believe that people are getting used to Rondo's presence.

     



    You didn't notice the Lakers and Magic always give Rondo space, daring him to  s-h-o-o-t?

     

     

    The problem is not Rondo, he's just not a good fit for this new coach.

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    No, I didn't see that today.  What I saw was a big clog down below.  The other players needed to move to create more options.  Otherwise there is just one option: Rondo to s-h-o-o-t.  That is no offense.

     
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    No, I didn't see that today.  What I saw was a big clog down below.  The other players needed to move to create more options.  Otherwise there is just one option: Rondo to s-h-o-o-t.  That is no offense.



    The reason why there was a big clog down below was because the opposing PG was always leaving Rondo open from the perimeter.

     

    Remember, we already beat the Magic twice with Crawford starting at PG.

     
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    The bigger question is does Stevens know that?  How about Ainge?

     



    I keep saying it, if a team offers a top 5 pick or a lottery pick for Rondo, Rondo is gone!

     

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    Ainge would be crazy not to entertain a top 5.  More likely it is a late first from a good team that would be offered.

     

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