Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Since this is an ESPN Insider article I figured i'd just cut and paste the entire thing for you all:

    2013 NBA Mock Draft 4.0

    Amid all the NBA team workouts, here's how the first round has shaped up

    1
    Nerlens Noel
    Cleveland Cavaliers
     

    COLLEGE: Kentucky
    AGE: 18
    HT: 7-0
    WT: 206
    POS: C

     

    Analysis: Typically, by this juncture in the draft, we know who the No. 1 pick is. Right now, however, we're just offering educated guesses. That's because Cavs sources say that the team won't be close to making a decision until workouts are done and the team has a chance to make a thorough pass through the medical information. With three potential top picks unable to work out because of injuries, those reports have never been more important.

     

    Until we hear otherwise, Noel is the default pick here. General manager Chris Grant has been a fan of Noel's all year and even recommended his doctor. Assuming the rehab is going well (his doctor, James Andrews, insists Noel is ahead of schedule while other NBA team doctors are wringing their hands a little), Noel should come out on top. He's the top prospect in the draft and the Cavs can afford to be patient while he gets back to full health and gains a little weight. If the Cavs decide to go in another direction, Georgetown's Otto Porter and Maryland's Alex Len appear to be the top candidates to supplant Noel.

     

     

    2
    Victor Oladipo
    Orlando Magic
     
    COLLEGE: Indiana
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-4
    WT: 213
    POS: SG

    Analysis: According to sources, the Magic are still wide open. They say they have nine (gulp) players who they are considering. Michigan's Trey Burke was in this slot in Mock 3.0, but I'm hearing the Magic aren't sold on him as the second-best player in the draft. They might take him, but he's not an outright front-runner, despite the need.

     

    The Magic are eyeing other young point guards such as Eric Bledsoe. If they make a trade, starting 2-guard Arron Afflalo will be the bait. Assistant GM Scott Perry (who helped Afflalo in Detroit) doesn't want to give him up, but given where the Magic are as team, it might be the only way to trade for a point guard upgrade. If Afflalo goes, the 2-guard position opens up. Both Oladipo and McLemore would be upgrades long-term anyway. While McLemore is a better shooter, Oladipo's toughness, defense and leadership might be more appealing to a rebuilding team.

     

     

     

    3
    Otto Porter
    Washington Wizards
     
    COLLEGE: Georgetown
    AGE: 19
    HT: 6-9
    WT: 198
    POS: SF

     

    Analysis: The Wizards are sitting pretty at No. 3. The two players they really like -- Porter and UNLV's Anthony Bennett -- are both on the board here. The need help at both the 3 and the 4, and sources say their front office is split between them. Porter's versatility and his ability to affect the game without shooting the ball are major pluses on a team that already has several starters who like to score the ball. Bennett's ability to stretch the floor as a 4 is also appealing, as is his upside. Aside from Noel, many NBA GMs believe Bennett might have the highest upside of anyone in the draft. This one could go down to the wire, but I'm giving the edge to Porter because of the question marks around Bennett's injured shoulder.

     

     

     

    4
    Anthony Bennett
    Charlotte Bobcats
     
    COLLEGE: UNLV
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-8
    WT: 240
    POS: PF

    Analysis: Truthfully, the Bobcats need help at the 2, the 4 and the 5. I think this will come down to a choice between Ben McLemore, Bennett and Len. All three players are young and blessed with incredible upside. Sources say Bennett might have the edge right now for two reasons. First, the Bobcats have been completely devoid of frontcourt scoring and Bennett's ability to score both inside and outside is appealing.

    Second, the Bobcats front office (like a lot of NBA front offices) has questions right now about McLemore's mental approach to the game. Does he have the aggressiveness he needs to maximize his potential? Those questions are growing louder the closer we get to the draft. As for Len, the questions about his foot loom large as does the fact that he'd miss Summer League -- a critical development period for young players.

    5
    Ben McLemore
    Phoenix Suns
     
    COLLEGE: Kansas
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-5
    WT: 189
    POS: SG

    Analysis: The Suns are another team that could go in just about any direction. Phoenix lacks young building blocks. But its biggest need might be a scorer in the backcourt. If McLemore is still on the board here, he'll be hard to pass up. He's one of the few players with All-Star upside. But don't count out Lehigh's C.J. McCollum either. McCollum is a better scorer and can play two positions on the floor.

    6
    Alex Len
    New Orleans Pelicans
     
    COLLEGE: Maryland
    AGE: 19
    HT: 7-1
    WT: 225
    POS: C

    Analysis: The Pelicans will take a long, hard look at both Burke and Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams. But I'm not sure they'll bite. This team drafted Austin Rivers last year to be its point guard of the future and sources say that the team hasn't given up on Rivers, despite a miserable rookie season. With Greivis Vasquez also in the backcourt, point guard isn't a huge need if they're happy with Vasquez and Rivers. That makes Len an attractive option here.

    The Pelicans see Anthony Davis as a 4 in the NBA and aren't convinced Robin Lopez is the long-term answer at the 5. Len has enormous potential at the 5. He can score, rebound and block shots. If his foot wasn't injured, I think he'd get much more consideration at No. 1. He could be a steal for the Pelicans here.

    7
    Trey Burke
    Sacramento Kings
     
    COLLEGE: Michigan
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-1
    WT: 187
    POS: PG

    Analysis: It's hard to project anything for the Kings right now until a new GM is in place. The truth is, whoever comes in is likely to clean house. The Kings will be starting over to some extent. Other GMs are salivating at the possibility of DeMarcus Cousins being available, but unless the Kings are blown away with an offer, I doubt they'll trade him before the draft. So, I'm just placing the next player on our Big Board here. However, Burke actually does make sense for Sacramento. He's more of a true point guard than anyone currently on the roster, and he's a winner -- something the Kings need.

    8
    Michael Carter-Williams
    Detroit Pistons
     
    COLLEGE: Syracuse
    AGE: 21
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 184
    POS: PG

    Analysis: The Pistons have a lot of interest in grabbing a small forward here, but right now I don't think there's anyone on the table except for Shabazz Muhammad, and I'm not sure that's the right play for Detroit. I'm hearing with increasing frequency the Pistons might target a point guard. The team thinks Brandon Knight might be more effective at the 2, and if they could get a big point guard like Carter-Williams, he could be the perfect fit in the backcourt with Knight. They really would like a pure playmaker who can help their young guys get better. Given Carter-Williams' significant upside, he might be a great play here.

    9
    Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
    Minnesota Timberwolves
     
    COLLEGE: Georgia
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 204
    POS: SG

    Analysis: New Timberwolves GM Flip Saunders has made no secret of his desire to acquire a shooter on the wing. He already has auditioned several in Minnesota (Caldwell-Pope, Allen Crabbe and Tim Hardaway Jr. worked out for him Thursday) and traveled to Vegas to see Russian Sergey Karasev Friday. I think Caldwell-Pope might have the most upside of any shooter left on the board. I'm hearing the Wolves agree.

    10
    C.J. McCollum
    Portland Trail Blazers
     
    COLLEGE: Lehigh
    AGE: 21
    HT: 6-3
    WT: 197
    POS: PG

    Analysis: The Blazers would like to continue to add shooters. Enter McCollum. While he commonly gets compared to Damian Lillard, they are different players and could nicely complement each other in the backcourt. I'm also hearing Croatia's Dario Saric is a strong possibility here, too.

    11
    Cody Zeller
    Philadelphia 76ers
     
    COLLEGE: Indiana
    AGE: 20
    HT: 7-0
    WT: 230
    POS: C

    Analysis: Zeller will start showing off his hitherto unseen 3-point jumper to teams in workouts starting this week. What I saw in Santa Monica was impressive, but shooting it in an empty gym and doing it in games are two different things. If the GMs working out Zeller think he's going to make a seamless transition to the 4, he's probably gone before he reaches the Sixers. But if he isn't, he's a great fit in a depleted Philly frontcourt and could be a real steal for the Sixers. I'm hearing Saric is another real possibility here.

    12
    Steven Adams
    Oklahoma City Thunder via Toronto Raptors
     
    COLLEGE: Pittsburgh
    AGE: 19
    HT: 7-0
    WT: 255
    POS: C

    Analysis: The Thunder have the luxury of patience, and if there's a guy worth being patient with in this draft it's Adams. He already has the NBA body, a killer motor and a terrific work ethic. If and when he starts figuring things out offensively (and it's going to be a process), he could be Oklahoma City's long-term answer in the middle.

    13
    Dario Saric
    Dallas Mavericks
     
    COUNTRY: Croatia
    AGE: 19
    HT: 6-10
    WT: 223
    POS: SF

    Analysis: As we reported on the night of the draft lottery, the Mavs are likely to trade this pick at some point in an effort to clear more cap space for a run at Dwight Howard/Chris Paul.

    Given NBA rules, Dallas technically can't trade the pick until after the draft, but it can reach a deal in principle before it. Sources say the Mavs have been making calls gauging interest. However, the other option is taking Saric. Dallas can get him off the cap with an agreement from Saric that he won't come to the NBA this season. The Mavs actually love Saric, so it might work for both parties. And even if they trade the pick, Saric appears to be a hot name right now. The Pelicans, Blazers, and Sixers all have significant interest in him as well and might be great trade partners.

    14
    Dennis Schroeder
    Utah Jazz
     
    COUNTRY: Germany
    AGE: 19
    HT: 6-2
    WT: 165
    POS: PG

    Analysis: The Jazz's biggest need is at the point, and it's increasingly likely the team will have to use this pick to draft a top-ranked point guard. Schroeder is interesting because of his speed and length. He's not as NBA-ready as some of the other point guards in the draft, but one of the Jazz's priorities is to get more athletic. Miami's Shane Larkin is another possibility here.

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    Shane Larkin
    Milwaukee Bucks
     
    COLLEGE: Miami
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-0
    WT: 171
    POS: PG

    Analysis: With the Bucks hesitant to make a big free-agent offer to point guard Brandon Jennings, that position might immediately become a need for Milwaukee. Sources say Larkin's workout in Milwaukee was a "wow" for the Bucks. Pairing him with Monta Ellis would make for a pretty small backcourt, but Larkin's ability to run the pick-and-roll is very appealing to them.

    16
    Shabazz Muhammad
    Boston Celtics
     
    COLLEGE: UCLA
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 222
    POS: SF

    Analysis: Muhammad might be the most difficult player in the draft to place right now. After coming in with enormous hype, scouts are obsessed right now with the weaknesses in his game. Can he shoot off the bounce? Can he go right? Does he have the athleticism to defend? Is he a selfish player?

    Muhammad is working hard to answer his critics and these workouts will go a long way to determining where he ultimately lands. But with Paul Pierce's run with the Celtics nearing an end, Muhammad might be worth the risk here if the Celtics' preferred target, Schroeder, already is off the board.

    17
    Rudy Gobert
    Atlanta Hawks
     
    COUNTRY: France
    AGE: 20
    HT: 7-2
    WT: 238
    POS: PF

    Analysis: Roy Hibbert's stellar performance in the NBA Eastern Conference finals helps a player such as Gobert. Yes, Gobert will be drafted largely on sheer size. He doesn't have a great motor yet nor does he know what he's doing. But you can't teach 7-foot-2. With the Hawks in the process of clearing the deck in Atlanta, I'm not sure they can pass on him. However, he's a major work in progress.

    18
    Jamaal Franklin
    Atlanta Hawks via Houston Rockets
     
    COLLEGE: San Diego St.
    AGE: 21
    HT: 6-5
    WT: 191
    POS: SG

    Analysis: Franklin still is hobbling around with a bad ankle. He wasn't able to work out for a collection of NBA GMs in Las Vegas this weekend and was relegated to shooting only jumpers. However, Franklin showed he hasn't been just laying around for the past month. His jumper has improved considerably. At 18, he becomes a talent grab for the Hawks. His upside is significant.

    19
    Sergey Karasev
    Cleveland Cavaliers via Los Angeles Lakers
     
    COUNTRY: Russia
    AGE: 19
    HT: 6-7
    WT: 197
    POS: SF

    Analysis: If the Cavs grab Noel at No. 1, look for them to add a small forward or shooter with their second first-round pick. Karasev is interesting. His performance in Vegas on Friday wasn't stellar thanks to some jet lag, but scouts are very high on him at the moment.

    He has the size to play both wing positions, is a terrific shooter, has a high basketball IQ, and at 19, already has significant professional experience averaging 18.4 PPG in the Russian League. A few scouts compare him to smaller version of Toni Kukoc. Karasev could go as high at No. 9 to the Wolves but would be a great get here by the Cavs.

    20
    Mason Plumlee
    Chicago Bulls
     
    COLLEGE: Duke
    AGE: 23
    HT: 6-10
    WT: 238
    POS: PF

    Analysis: The old adage in the draft is that "bigs rise" (I think Tom Penn said it at least a dozen times in our NBA draft combine broadcast) -- and it's true. But it's interesting to see which bigs are rising -- it's the young ones like Adams and Gobert, not the older ones. Plumlee had a season worthy of being a lottery pick, and he would be a great get here if he falls this low. The Bulls need support for Joakim Noah, and Plumlee excels in getting up and down the floor.

    21
    Kelly Olynyk
    Utah Jazz
     
    COLLEGE: Gonzaga
    AGE: 22
    HT: 7-0
    WT: 234
    POS: PF

    Analysis: Olynyk is another big projected as a potential late lottery pick who's struggling to find a home right now. I doubt he slides past the Jazz if they get a point guard at No. 14. With both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap hitting free agency, Utah will need frontcourt help, and Olynyk's ability to both shoot the basketball and put it on the floor would give the Jazz's front line another wrinkle.

    22
    Gorgui Dieng
    Brooklyn Nets
     
    COLLEGE: Louisville
    AGE: 23
    HT: 6-11
    WT: 230
    POS: C

    Analysis: The Nets got a great season out of Brook Lopez, but they don't really have a credible backup for him. Dieng's play in the NCAA title game gave him a big boost in his draft stock. Not only can he block shots, but he's also a surprisingly good passer and is developing a nice face-the-basket game. Maybe more important to the Nets, he should be able to play right away.

    23
    Reggie Bullock
    Indiana Pacers
     
    COLLEGE: North Carolina
    AGE: 22
    HT: 6-7
    WT: 200
    POS: SF

    Analysis: The Pacers have an elite starting five, but they need depth at every position. They could especially use a shooter or two -- the team ranked just 22nd in the league this year in 3-point field goal percentage. Bullock might be the best shooter left on the board. He's a bit one-dimensional, but he can play two different positions and should be able to play from day one.

    24
    Tony Mitchell
    New York Knicks
     
    SCHOOL: North Texas
    AGE: 21
    HT: 6-8
    WT: 220
    POS: SF

    Analysis: The Knicks have never shied away from taking a risk on a player. Mitchell has the upside of a top-10 pick, but he was in an awful situation in North Texas last season. With that in mind, his mediocre season might have been the best he could have done. He's an elite athlete and a terrific rebounder -- the Knicks could use both in its frontcourt.

    25
    Allen Crabbe
    Los Angeles Clippers
     
    COLLEGE: Cal
    AGE: 21
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 197
    POS: SG

    Analysis: The Clippers have recently been hit with the news that Chris Paul was unhappy with members of the organization over the way they handled the Vinny Del Negro firing. So a point guard like Pierre Jackson is a possibility. But the Clips also have need at both the 2 and 3. Crabbe's shooting ability, especially at his size, could be a great fit for L.A.

    26
    Jeff Withey
    Minnesota Timberwolves via Memphis Grizzlies
     
    COLLEGE: Kansas
    AGE: 23
    HT: 7-0
    WT: 222
    POS: C

    Analysis: Wolves big man Nikola Pekovic is a free agent this summer. So is his backup, Greg Stiemsma. Withey was one of the best shot-blockers in college basketball last year and could add some defensive toughness to their front line.

    27
    Ricky Ledo
    Denver Nuggets
     
    COLLEGE: Providence
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 197
    POS: PG

    Analysis: Really, the Nuggets are set at every position and have a lot of flexibility to draft based on pure talent. They don't have immediate needs. That should give them the option to take another young player who they can patiently develop. Scouts feel Ledo is a top-15 talent. He could be the next Lance Stephenson.

    28
    Lucas Noguiera
    San Antonio Spurs
     
    COUNTRY: Brazil
    AGE: 20
    HT: 6-11
    WT: 218
    POS: C

    Analysis: Noguiera is drawing rave reviews from teams that scouted him in Europe this year and in recent workouts. He needs to add a ton of weight, but think of him as a Brazilian Nerlens Noel. With patience he could have a bright future and would have the perfect mentor in fellow countryman Tiago Splitter.

    29
    Giannis Antetokounmpo
    Oklahoma City Thunder
     
    COUNTRY: Greece
    AGE: 18
    HT: 6-9
    WT: 215
    POS: SF

    Analysis: Again, the Thunder have a ton of flexibility right now and with two first-round picks, they don't need a player to come right now. Some scouts believe Antetokounmpo has as much upside as anyone in the draft, but he's years away from realizing it. If the Thunder are patient, grabbing him could pay off big down the road.

    30
    Glen Rice Jr.
    Phoenix Suns
     
    COLLEGE: Georgia Tech
    AGE: 22
    HT: 6-6
    WT: 211
    POS: SG

    Analysis: If the Suns get their 2-guard with their first pick, don't be surprised if Phoenix tries to add another wing who can shoot the ball with its second first-rounder. Rice dominated the D-League last season and probably is big enough to spend time at the 3. He's also one of the two or three most NBA-ready prospects in the draft.

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

    From the looks of this, I conclude:

    The Thunder are considering using the amnesty on Perk

    The Mavs are keeping their #13 pick (although I would love Saric)

    I see NO WAY the Pistons take another PG............they will deal it, or take someone else.

    The Wolves desire to trade "up" is a smokescreen.

     

    As far as we go............I'm not sold on Shabazz...Gobert may be another Melo type project....let's go with the Russian Shooter.....Karasev, whose stock is rising, or a safe pick like Plumlee, Olynk or Dieng!

    Bill Russell won more NBA titles with the Boston Celtics than Wilt, Kareem and Shaq COMBINED did as Lakers!!



    No Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - 2-1 vs majic- last word!

     
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    Redundant...no to Muhammad

    I would rather have PG Shroeder and trade Rondo, Lee and Bass for Big Al and a player.

     
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    Redundant...no to Muhammad

    I would rather have PG Shroeder and trade Rondo, Lee and Bass for Big Al and a player.




    Big Al is 27, same as Lee, Green, Bass and Rondo. You make a trade for Big Al it is so he can play with Rondo and Green as the future 3 you build around. Make one run with KG, PP and Terry, then go younger.

    If you were going to trade Rondo and draft Schroeder, who is 1 year away from deserving a rotation spot and at least 2 oaway from being a starter, then you trade RR for a lotto pick and/or future young blue chipper in the 20-25 age range to put with Bradley and Sully. Trade KG/PP for similar players.

     
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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

     
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    Redundant...no to Muhammad

    I would rather have PG Shroeder and trade Rondo, Lee and Bass for Big Al and a player.

     




    Big Al is 27, same as Lee, Green, Bass and Rondo. You make a trade for Big Al it is so he can play with Rondo and Green as the future 3 you build around. Make one run with KG, PP and Terry, then go younger.

     

    If you were going to trade Rondo and draft Schroeder, who is 1 year away from deserving a rotation spot and at least 2 oaway from being a starter, then you trade RR for a lotto pick and/or future young blue chipper in the 20-25 age range to put with Bradley and Sully. Trade KG/PP for similar players.



    Good points but I'm not sure we can sign Big Al without giving up Rondo. Shroeder is Rondo's replacement. So for at least one year we go with

    Shroeder, AB, Green, KG, Big Al  with Sully and Terry coming off the bench.

     

     

     
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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.



    I would usually shy away from guys with a history like Muhammad but I dont think you can pass up taking someone at 16 that has his level of talent.  It also could create some match up problems if he can play the 2 along side Green, which is also why I'm really pro Jamaal.  Great work ethic, crazy athlete, solid stroke, can play 2/3, and I still cant imagine Muhammad will actually be availible at 16 so I think he is a more likely possibility.  As far as bigs, the Celtics are just in a bad position to get talent.  Plumblee who they just worked out, Dieng, or Olynyk look like late 1st talent.  If Danny was dead set on drafting more size he would be better off trying to trade down for multiple 2nd's and take someone like Jaiteh who is 18 with a HUGE frame (grew from 6-9 to 6-11 just last year) but has ridiculous potential.  In that scenario the other pick could go to someone like Jame Ennis (another freak athlete that can play both 2 and 3) or James Southerland (huge 2 with a 7'1" wingspan that has one of the best catch and shoot 3s in college). 

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.



    I read Shabazz is six four and half without shoes.  Awfully small for a forward.  Can he play shooting guard?

     
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    Redundant...no to Muhammad

    I would rather have PG Shroeder and trade Rondo, Lee and Bass for Big Al and a player.

     




    Big Al is 27, same as Lee, Green, Bass and Rondo. You make a trade for Big Al it is so he can play with Rondo and Green as the future 3 you build around. Make one run with KG, PP and Terry, then go younger.

     

    If you were going to trade Rondo and draft Schroeder, who is 1 year away from deserving a rotation spot and at least 2 oaway from being a starter, then you trade RR for a lotto pick and/or future young blue chipper in the 20-25 age range to put with Bradley and Sully. Trade KG/PP for similar players.

     



    Good points but I'm not sure we can sign Big Al without giving up Rondo. Shroeder is Rondo's replacement. So for at least one year we go with

     

    Shroeder, AB, Green, KG, Big Al  with Sully and Terry coming off the bench.

     

     

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    I think my point should be that trading Rondo for Big Al and drafting Schroeder makes the team worse than keeping Rondo and drafting a PF-C like Plumlee or Dieng at 16.

    If the team did your move, and then went and used the MLE on Devin Harris, then they could put Schroeder in the D-league or leave him in Germany for a year and be better with this lineup:

    C - KG (Al)

    PF - Big Al, Bass, Sully

    SF - Green, Pierce

    SG - AB, Lee

    PG - Harris, Terry

    Obviously there is a glut of PF's and a need for a defensive minded 5. If the team really wanted Schroeder and could swap Bass and pick 16 for Perk and pick 12, thus keeping him away from Utah and Dallas, two teams high on him, then I do that, pay Perk 4 million more than Bass even to just play 6-10 mins a game. He'd protect KG and give Sully more room to grow.

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

    Agree with most of this.

    Olynyk would be good for a contender with a defensive minded Center, like what Boston ran out there the last 2 seasons. He'd like a Krstic. If we are rebuilding i don't want him though. he'd a liability on D and a rotation/backup player at best. Dieng is the same player only a defense as his strength type.

    Both guys whould help plug a 10-15 minute a game hole for a contender. Both are 23 and limited on one side of the ball.

    If Muhammad is gone than Karasev would be a great move. We need smart players who can play on both sides of the ball and if he averaged 18 points in Russia at age 19 while being compared to Kukoc, that is pretty impressive. I bet you Krstic didn't average 18 in Russia last year.

    Muhammad gets compared to guys like Nick Young (b/c they are both 6'6" selfish shooters) and Delonte West (both lefties with questionable attitudes/mental make-ups). While I think his ceiling is big enough to wasil;y warrent taking him at 16, I'd still be nervous we'd get another Gerald Green or Kederick Brown bust.

     
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    He has a 6'11" wingspan, so that helps make up for the fact that he is on the smaller side. I'd have no problem putting him at the 2 (might be better suited there). The only problem for him is going to be defense, which Boston takes pride in. But he is a great scorer and pretty athletic.

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

     

     

    Agree with most of this.

    Olynyk would be good for a contender with a defensive minded Center, like what Boston ran out there the last 2 seasons. He'd like a Krstic. If we are rebuilding i don't want him though. he'd a liability on D and a rotation/backup player at best. Dieng is the same player only a defense as his strength type.

    Both guys whould help plug a 10-15 minute a game hole for a contender. Both are 23 and limited on one side of the ball.

    If Muhammad is gone than Karasev would be a great move. We need smart players who can play on both sides of the ball and if he averaged 18 points in Russia at age 19 while being compared to Kukoc, that is pretty impressive. I bet you Krstic didn't average 18 in Russia last year.

    Muhammad gets compared to guys like Nick Young (b/c they are both 6'6" selfish shooters) and Delonte West (both lefties with questionable attitudes/mental make-ups). While I think his ceiling is big enough to wasil;y warrent taking him at 16, I'd still be nervous we'd get another Gerald Green or Kederick Brown bust.

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    Lot's of good stuff here. I think we're both on the same page (which might be a first for me on this forum). I was turned onto Karasev this morning and was extremely impressed with his tape the first time through. I was expecting another AK-47, but he's definitely a different animal. Smooth jumper, good mechanics, but I will admit I didn't get a chance to see his range (not sure if there was any in the tape or if I missed it because I was still in awe of his passing ability). His mechanics look like they would translate to the three-point line. I wouldn't be disappointed with the pick.

    I like the Gerald Green comp for Muhammed, but he's a better shooter. Similar athleticism though. Nick Young is what the scouts are comparing him too, and I wouldn't mind if he panned out that way. I would probably go Muhammed, pending who is still on the board.

    I am a firm believer of taking best player available here since most of the big men in this draft are either once sided (Olynyk, Dieng, Whithey) or extremely raw (Gobert, Adams). Top-three I think Boston could hope for at that point, I think, will be Muhammed, Franklin, or Karasev. I'd be happy with any of those guys.

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.



    Yep..my picks....

    shabazz, adams,olyniyk,shroeder,franklin, crabbe,bullock or  rice....in that order...

     
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    I also like Larkiin...

     
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    Allen Crabbe was Pac-10 POY over Muhammad who shared the ROY award.  He's taller, slightly wider wingspan, and doesn't come with as many question marks, except is this the type of player the Celtics need to draft? I'm not saying they don't need a shooter but will they go for either player at 16?  Kinda depends on what bigs might slip.

     

     

     


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    I'd take Plumlee over Shabazz.  I don't like "scorers" who shoot 44%.  Celtics should try to move up and grab Zeller!

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.



    So what makes you thrilled about Shabazz? How often have you seen him and what did you see in him?

     
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    I'd take Plumlee over Shabazz.  I don't like "scorers" who shoot 44%.  Celtics should try to move up and grab Zeller!



    Ive seen him quite a bit and I know he had a lot of hype but I saw nothing special... maybe he is a better pro but I just dont see it...

     
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    I'd take Plumlee over Shabazz.  I don't like "scorers" who shoot 44%.  Celtics should try to move up and grab Zeller!

     



    Ive seen him quite a bit and I know he had a lot of hype but I saw nothing special... maybe he is a better pro but I just dont see it...

     

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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

    Plumlee would be better for the Celtics. Finding 44% "shooting" guards isn't that hard - D League, everyone's a shooter. 

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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

    Did Muhammad work out and interview with the Celtics?

    Danny Ainge loves players like him.  That is what scares me.

     
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    If we draft Muhammed I will be pst!!!

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

    We could really use multiple picks in this draft. I want Noel. I'll settle for Dieng, Crabbe, Rice Jr, Hardaway Jr, and Seth Curry. (Erick Green or Phil Pressey)

    If these don't have long careers as role players,possibly stars, I'll be shocked. They all look talented AND determined to succeed as well as intelligent.

     
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    Re: Chad Ford Mock draft 4.0 - C's with Muhammad

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    I'd take Plumlee over Shabazz.  I don't like "scorers" who shoot 44%.  Celtics should try to move up and grab Zeller


    Ive seen him quite a bit and I know he had a lot of hype but I saw nothing special... maybe he is a better pro but I just dont see it...

    swap Bass and pick 16 for Perk and pick 12 and take Zeller at 12 if he falls?

     

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