Danny isn't stupid!

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    Danny isn't stupid!

    I watch this board and wonder what's up with the Celtic fans that post here?

    Before Danny made the trade to bring Ray and Garnett here the Organization was not exactly in high times. They had just suffered through a 24 win season and thing weren't getting any better soon as PP was about to leave for a shot at a title with someone else. The trade was a gutsy move that wasn't a lock to work but Danny saw an opportunity to make a huge move that if it worked would rocket the Celtics into contention in the East. Did anyone expect the team to gel the way it did and the Celts to win it all in the first year? If you say you did I have a hard time believing you.

    What the trade did was give us a shot at a title, I would gladly trade 5-6 years of salary cap issues and trying to rebuild on the fly for a title contender for 3 - 5 years.

    People that complain about cap space and trade "this guy or that guy" for whatever simply forget or dont realize how hard it is to win a title in any league. Between the Celts last title in 1986 and the title in 2008 only 6 different teams were able to win a title, it is not easy to do. I'm sure Danny isn't telling himself that the Celts can win it all this year and probably has a plan to make us better. He has done a decent job of drafting and trading in his tenure especially because the picks in the past few years have been pretty low in the first round.

    Ainge draft pics/draft day aquisitions

    2003 - Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins (Banks eventually traded in KG deal)
    2004 - Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West (great draft!)
    2005 - Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes (Decent draft)
    2006 - Questionable trade with portland turns into Rajon Rondo and Leon Powe via Phoenix and Denver
    2007 - trades Jeff Green pick, West and Szczerbiak to seattle for Ray allen and Glen Davis Pick which lures KG to Boston, also takes Gabe Pruitt
    2008 - JR Guiddens (w/ last 1st round pick) also gets Bill Walker and Erden
    2009 - No first round pick (incl. in the KG deal), Lester Hudson in 2nd round
    2010 - Avery Bradley, Luke Harangody

    Overall pretty solid maneuvering. Has he missed? Sure, the trade with Cleveland at the deadline last year and the trade of Bill Walker to the Knicke were not very good and probably did more harm than good. Perkins Deal? He wasnt signing with us for less money, Danny had to make the deal.

    How about instead of complaining and criticizing all the time we just be happy that we were only the 7th team since 1986 to reach the NBA summit and give Danny the chance to pull something off in the next year or two?
     
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    well said!
     
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    Finally, a strong dose of reality to counter all the negative silliness (not by all and having trade dreams is fun) that can permeate this board. I think some of the negativity stems from a desire to illustrate that one can support a team but doesn't have to wear blinders. But the vitriol for the Lakers trolls (well deseved, I say) shouldn't carry over to other Celtics fans or to the Celtics' brass and players. Boston has had great fortune to have so many winning teams in all professional sports that I believe it can rightly claim to be "title city" with confidence. Let outsiders hate us (but why would they - jealousy?) but please, have some respect for fellow Celtics fans and their desires to have a better team; we all want the same thing.
     
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    Thanks for putting it in perspective.  Most of the comments here however deal with the realities from day to day.  The era is over and the Celtics need to start manuevering to fix the roster.  Ainge has not done a good job recently.  I thank him for what he did leading up to last Feb. and we need him to start making some moves unless sacrificing this season is part of his plan.  He should tell us if it is.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Danny isn't stupid! : Ainge keeps telling us he will not do what Auerbach did with the previous Big 3. But until now the current Big 3 is still intact and playing heavy minutes.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    That may be more doc's doing... who will ride the Big Four for all they are worth... which isn't much at this point.

    Pud
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Danny isn't stupid! : When Ray got hurt, Doc did the right thing by starting Pietrus. It's all about seniority with Doc. Ray is the more accomplished player, that's why Doc's never going to start Pietrus over Ray.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]
    If it is we will have a good draft position.  We are going to lose a lot of games.
    The fact is we won four games last week with the young guys.  It appears our record would be better with them and if we added a rebounder maybe even better.
     
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    Well said, Beantown.

    I've been trying to say that periodically for several years -- but not nearly as well or as comprehensively.

    cheers --
     
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    Great post Beantown....wow...now 8 franchises have won the NBA Championship in the last 26 years...Boston has two of them...lost two others....and was a contender for a few more even with that long horrid stretch of basketball...

    Lakers with 7 (gotta give this team their due....right up there with the Celts)

    Bulls 6 (MJ "retired" for two years in between "threepeats"...what could've been?)

    Spurs 4 (classy team of pros....great coach)

    Pistons 3 (the "Bad Boys)

    Celtics 2 (key losses...Len Bias, Reggie Lewis, KG in '09)

    Rockets 2 (Hakeem!)

    Heat & Mavs 1 each...

     
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    Oh so now we can't criticize Danny....gimme a break. Danny has not been consistent in his wheelings and dealings....and the championship was 4 years ago. His performance as GM has been pretty average to say the least and when we as Cs fans look across the NBA horizon and see former Cs doing well then look at our team....yeah we have a right to express our opinions. Those of you who think that because a number of us who express our opinions that don't necessarily is in line with yours....you really need to get a grip on reality....you are no more fans than we are. Broke down Jermaine O"Neal in place of Perk....yeah... we have a right to criticize!

     
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    [QUOTE]Oh so now we can't criticize Danny....gimme a break. Danny has not been consistent in his wheelings and dealings....and the championship was 4 years ago. His performance as GM has been pretty average to say the least and when we as Cs fans look across the NBA horizon and see former Cs doing well then look at our team....yeah we have a right to express our opinions. Those of you who think that because a number of us who express our opinions that don't necessarily is in line with yours....you really need to get a grip on reality....you are no more fans than we are. Broke down Jermaine O"Neal in place of Perk....yeah... we have a right to criticize!
    Posted by walk2run[/QUOTE]Some people refuses to accept the fact that Perkins was going to leave,Danny had to get some thing back.
     
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    Everyone has a right to criticize, that is not the point.  The point is that we don't know the inner mechanisms of what goes on behind closed doors.  Perk was going to leave - they made him an offer, and he said NO!!  Posey?  He was right about him....he was done in two years ( he got FOUR).  Tony Allen?  He was going to leave, too.........I don't care what he says now.  He didn't like coming off the bench, and thinks he's an offensive player, instead of a role player!!
    All GM's make moves we don't like......Dan Duquette promised us a team built on power pitching, speed and defense - then the first thing he does is sign Mike Greenwell to a contract extension!!  Double UGH!!!
    Danny is doing the  best he can in a difficult situation.........he WILL break up the Big 3 if he has to....he almost traded Ray two years ago.
    And, let's not forget - Jermaine O'Neal was supposed to be a bench player when he was signed - he is only a starter by default.  If we had KRISTIC he'd be on the bench!!  We don't have anyone else!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Oh so now we can't criticize Danny....gimme a break. Danny has not been consistent in his wheelings and dealings....and the championship was 4 years ago. His performance as GM has been pretty average to say the least and when we as Cs fans look across the NBA horizon and see former Cs doing well then look at our team....yeah we have a right to express our opinions. Those of you who think that because a number of us who express our opinions that don't necessarily is in line with yours....you really need to get a grip on reality....you are no more fans than we are. Broke down Jermaine O"Neal in place of Perk....yeah... we have a right to criticize!
    Posted by walk2run[/QUOTE]

    Did the Celtics make to the final for another time where they lost to the Lakers in game 7 two years ago?  

    Two final in last four years is pretty good for the Celtics.  Compare to how many times did Lebron's team or Wade's team making to the final.
     
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    Since 2007 Danny has had indigestion.  Heatburn!  He drafted "might-be's".  He might-be a PG or he might be a combo-guard or he might-be a golfer.

    Danny has never drafted successfully to backup a position.  Who was Perk's backup?  Who was Rondo's backup?

    He paid good money for hop along Jermaine O'Neil.  That was a wonderful signing.  He can lead the prayer meetings at the home.

    Time for Danny to do the big deal.  Find some team that will save Danny from himself.
     
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    [QUOTE]Since 2007 Danny has had indigestion.  Heatburn!  He drafted "might-be's".  He might-be a PG or he might be a combo-guard or he might-be a golfer. Danny has never drafted successfully to backup a position.  Who was Perk's backup?  Who was Rondo's backup? He paid good money for hop along Jermaine O'Neil.  That was a wonderful signing.  He can lead the prayer meetings at the home. Time for Danny to do the big deal.  Find some team that will save Danny from himself.
    Posted by CaptChris[/QUOTE]

    Didn't he draft Semih Erden to be Perk's backup?  Of course MANY on this board knew Perk would get hurt, and take a whole year to recover!!  Many knew Kristic would bolt for Siberia - HE would be the starter now, JON off the bench.  JON is only starting because we don't have anyone else.
    If you think Danny Ainge doesn't know Jermaine O'Neal sux, you are crazy!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Danny isn't stupid! : Did the Celtics make to the final for another time where they lost to the Lakers in game 7 two years ago?   Two final in last four years is pretty good for the Celtics.  Compare to how many times did Lebron's team or Wade's team making to the final.
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    We had LeBrons team making it to the finals in 2007 and LeBron/Wades team making it last year.

    And they will be heavy favorites to do so again this year... and for years to come.

    Not exactly chopped spinach.

    Pud
     
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    [QUOTE]I watch this board and wonder what's up with the Celtic fans that post here? Before Danny made the trade to bring Ray and Garnett here the Organization was not exactly in high times. They had just suffered through a 24 win season and thing weren't getting any better soon as PP was about to leave for a shot at a title with someone else. The trade was a gutsy move that wasn't a lock to work but Danny saw an opportunity to make a huge move that if it worked would rocket the Celtics into contention in the East. Did anyone expect the team to gel the way it did and the Celts to win it all in the first year? If you say you did I have a hard time believing you. What the trade did was give us a shot at a title, I would gladly trade 5-6 years of salary cap issues and trying to rebuild on the fly for a title contender for 3 - 5 years. People that complain about cap space and trade "this guy or that guy" for whatever simply forget or dont realize how hard it is to win a title in any league. Between the Celts last title in 1986 and the title in 2008 only 6 different teams were able to win a title, it is not easy to do. I'm sure Danny isn't telling himself that the Celts can win it all this year and probably has a plan to make us better. He has done a decent job of drafting and trading in his tenure especially because the picks in the past few years have been pretty low in the first round. Ainge draft pics/draft day aquisitions 2003 - Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins (Banks eventually traded in KG deal) 2004 - Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West (great draft!) 2005 - Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes (Decent draft) 2006 - Questionable trade with portland turns into Rajon Rondo and Leon Powe via Phoenix and Denver 2007 - trades Jeff Green pick, West and Szczerbiak to seattle for Ray allen and Glen Davis Pick which lures KG to Boston, also takes Gabe Pruitt 2008 - JR Guiddens (w/ last 1st round pick) also gets Bill Walker and Erden 2009 - No first round pick (incl. in the KG deal), Lester Hudson in 2nd round 2010 - Avery Bradley, Luke Harangody Overall pretty solid maneuvering. Has he missed? Sure, the trade with Cleveland at the deadline last year and the trade of Bill Walker to the Knicke were not very good and probably did more harm than good. Perkins Deal? He wasnt signing with us for less money, Danny had to make the deal. How about instead of complaining and criticizing all the time we just be happy that we were only the 7th team since 1986 to reach the NBA summit and give Danny the chance to pull something off in the next year or two?
    Posted by beantown5[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]I watch this board and wonder what's up with the Celtic fans that post here? Before Danny made the trade to bring Ray and Garnett here the Organization was not exactly in high times. They had just suffered through a 24 win season and thing weren't getting any better soon as PP was about to leave for a shot at a title with someone else. The trade was a gutsy move that wasn't a lock to work but Danny saw an opportunity to make a huge move that if it worked would rocket the Celtics into contention in the East. Did anyone expect the team to gel the way it did and the Celts to win it all in the first year? If you say you did I have a hard time believing you. What the trade did was give us a shot at a title, I would gladly trade 5-6 years of salary cap issues and trying to rebuild on the fly for a title contender for 3 - 5 years. People that complain about cap space and trade "this guy or that guy" for whatever simply forget or dont realize how hard it is to win a title in any league. Between the Celts last title in 1986 and the title in 2008 only 6 different teams were able to win a title, it is not easy to do. I'm sure Danny isn't telling himself that the Celts can win it all this year and probably has a plan to make us better. He has done a decent job of drafting and trading in his tenure especially because the picks in the past few years have been pretty low in the first round. Ainge draft pics/draft day aquisitions 2003 - Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins (Banks eventually traded in KG deal) 2004 - Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West (great draft!) 2005 - Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes (Decent draft) 2006 - Questionable trade with portland turns into Rajon Rondo and Leon Powe via Phoenix and Denver 2007 - trades Jeff Green pick, West and Szczerbiak to seattle for Ray allen and Glen Davis Pick which lures KG to Boston, also takes Gabe Pruitt 2008 - JR Guiddens (w/ last 1st round pick) also gets Bill Walker and Erden 2009 - No first round pick (incl. in the KG deal), Lester Hudson in 2nd round 2010 - Avery Bradley, Luke Harangody Overall pretty solid maneuvering. Has he missed? Sure, the trade with Cleveland at the deadline last year and the trade of Bill Walker to the Knicke were not very good and probably did more harm than good. Perkins Deal? He wasnt signing with us for less money, Danny had to make the deal. How about instead of complaining and criticizing all the time we just be happy that we were only the 7th team since 1986 to reach the NBA summit and give Danny the chance to pull something off in the next year or two?
    Posted by beantown5[/QUOTE]

    Wellwritten, highly informative & persuasive, bro... all these people hatin on danny and doc ??? Could these dopes accomplish even the 2008 title if they had the job, or is their basketball resume exclusively found on xbox and nintendo????Cool
     
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    I have been a fan since Russell destroyed the Russians on the Radio.  The last four years have been great.  I think this team with  a point that can shoot and a five that is athletic has a shot this year.  I believe Jeff Green, if we retain him, may turn out to be a diamond in the rough.  I am tired of points that can not shoot well enough to keep the defenders honest.  I like Danny a lot, but wish we still had Delonte or Mike James, just somebody that would be respected by the opposition defenders.  Anything is possible. 
     
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    1949  --  1986 we made History.  1986  --  2012 we sucked except for the trade that brought in real basketball players.  We gave away Joe Johnson and Chauncey Billups.  We kept Bird  -- Parish  --  McHale too long.   We drafted Mr. Green  -  Mr. Forte  --  Mr.  Moiso  --  with good drafting positin.

    Since 1998  --  Paul Pierce, we have drafted only Rondo who is still with the team, and plaing significant minutes.  Hello.

    Danny has neglected the foreign players.  He inherited Songalla, and didn't even let him come to camp.  Big mistake.

    If we hadn't won a Championship, how would you judge Danny?
     
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    Great locker room coach. Lousy on the court coach. Totally predictable. 

    PLEASE TRADE RAY ALLEN. PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEASE. 
     
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    How can Allen get traded?  If a playoff contention team want Allen, they are more likely to give away draft pick or their own over-paid bench players that they hardly use him.

    Or trade to a non-playoff team where this team could give Boston a over-paid long term contract so this non-payroll team can have a salary relief after this season while Boston is stuck with this guy for another two plus more years.

    Or trade Allen to a team for an unhappy player.  But why the world you want an unhappy player on Boston's roster.  Who know he will stay unhappy!!

    Therefore, Boston should be smart enough to keep Allen, and Allen would be more happy to resign with the team for a cheaper contract.  He also would accept himself as a bench player.


     

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