Doc: "I love our attitude, we are playing selfless and free!"... was this a shot at Rondo?

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    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

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    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     
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    Doc was taking a shot at Rondo but he doesn't believe we are better without him. 

    "Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court"

    Yes it devolved into that, but it wasn't always that way. 

    There's three ways you can go about this: 

    1. Pretend that raw basketball talent isn't important to postseason NBA success (I'm assuming everyone on this board wants some postseason advancement and excitement, not just regular season wins. If you're convinved you don't need top shelf talent to win in the postseason then losing Rondo is no problem. 

    2. Hope you land that rare superstar who plays without many flaws (Durant, Lebron)

    3. Find a way to get the most out of the talent you have (e.g. Rondo) and coach them up/control their liabilities. If you can do this, you have many more options to be better because you don't need your talent to be perfect. This is where Doc and coaching staff etc have failed with Rondo. Not unlike D'Antoni benching Gasol because he didn't fit into his system, rather than modifying his system to fit Gasol. Doc on the other hand could have benched Rondo until he shared the rock better, but he didn't have the stones. 

    So, Commie, I'm not impressed with Doc's shots at Rondo now as he didn't put him in his place when he had the chance...

    Once Rondo is healthy, there is a fouth: trade Rondo for top level frontcourt talent since you have backcourt depth. That might work, that's a topic for next season though. 

     

     
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    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

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    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely




    Yes, we did rely on Rondo too much. The offense was based on what he did. This offense is so much fun to watch. JT, JG, and CL can all create their own shot, thus opening up lanes and creating double teams. These additions do not suit Rondo's abilities well at all.

     
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    Rondo didn't play D, and he dominated the ball on offense.

    Now we see how much better we are with guys who play D and share the ball.

    Push the ball up to the man who is farthest ahead.

    Tommy H. has been right all along.



    that USED TO BE the 'celtic way' until rondo's career "matured" into "self preservation mode" the last three years.

     

    it's amazing to see the MERIT and VALIDITY that basic fundamentals still hold in the game.  you'd swear that many folks would deny "the old ways" still work with all of the tomfoolery characters like rondo, westbrook in the league right now when mixed with "who needs big men any more"- another bogus theorem

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

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    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     

     
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    We "relied" on Rondo too much... and he drove the team bus right into the ditch.

    Can't blame Rondo if he doesn't know how to drive.

    Management gave him the keys, knowing he is reckless and failed to supervise him.

    Pud

     
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    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

    karl, why is it so important to you that this player be cast in the worst possible light that you would resort to posting such irresponsible crap as this? 

     
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    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

    karl, why is it so important to you that this player be cast in the worst possible light that you would resort to posting such irresponsible crap as this? 

    Rondo impresses me as a very, very insecure young man, a young man who has a history of problems connecting with appropriate father figures.

    I suspect that both doc and Perk are father figures to Rondo whom he has glommed onto in ways that do seem peculiarly dependent  for sure for a 27 year old.

    I don't consider Karl's post to be irresponsible crap... a bit awkward for sure... and he is hardly putting R9R in the worst possible light.

    Perhaps you need to simply state your concerns about discussing psycho-sexual issues??? w/o presuming what Karls possible motives might be.

    That usually works better in a give/take format.

    Pud

     
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    i'll just wait to hear from karl, pud. but thanks.

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to Karllost's comment:

    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

     

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

    -------------------------------------------------

    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

     

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     


    What the fluck are you talking about?!!

     
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    Re: Doc:

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    We "relied" on Rondo too much... and he drove the team bus right into the ditch.

    Can't blame Rondo if he doesn't know how to drive.

    Management gave him the keys, knowing he is reckless and failed to supervise him.

    Pud


    GOOD POST.  The front office has been indecisive about what to do with Rondo.  Trade him or change his style of play. Changing Rondo's style of play was never realistic due to his petulance. Management has  always dealt with RR with kid gloves. I've said for a few years now, that RR should be traded. At the end of the day, Rondo is a stat machine, just like Karl Malone was. Stats don't usually win you championships. Rondo clearly has strengths. And his many liabilities have been well documented on this board. If the Celts don't trade RR by early next season, they will revert back to mediocrity. It's just too bad his trade value is significantly less than earlier in the season. I wonder what Ray Allen is thinking about the Celts' latest run. 

     
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    Re: Doc:

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    At the end of the day, Rondo is a stat machine, just like Karl Malone was.



    What? Just like Karl Malone? One of the greatest players to play the game? Just because Karl Malone lost against Jordan in the finals, he is a just stat machine? Even when he was almost 40 years old, after Malone went down so did the Lakers against the Pistons.

    If Rondo would come only close to the factor Malone was for almost 2 (!) decades the Cs would be more than lucky.

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

    In response to zeitgeist49's comment:

     

    At the end of the day, Rondo is a stat machine, just like Karl Malone was.

     



    What? Just like Karl Malone? One of the greatest players to play the game? Just because Karl Malone lost against Jordan in the finals, he is a just stat machine? Even when he was almost 40 years old, after Malone went down so did the Lakers against the Pistons.

     

    If Rondo would come only close to the factor Malone was for almost 2 (!) decades the Cs would be more than lucky.


    How many rings did Malone end up with ? And he played almost his entire career with a HOF guard.

     
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    How many rings did Malone end up with ? And he played almost his entire career with a HOF guard.




    That is all you have? Ouch...

    What if KG wouldn't be traded to the C's? Also just a stat machine? And what about Pierce and Ray? Barkley just a stat machine? Ewing, stat machine? Nash? Nowitzki and James 2 years ago? Or maybe the HOF guard Stockton was just a stat machine and therefore Malone could't win it all with such a loser on his side? Ahh, sorry, I forgot it was the other way around.

    Come one, that is pure nonesense. Malone was one of the greatest players of all time. Top 3 on his position for sure. He was an franchise player for far over a decade, and was an example for maturity and durability on the court. How often did he played all 82 season games? No suspensions, no illness', no nonsense just hard work and preparation. Two times olympic gold including dream team I and III if I'm correct. 

    To compare Rondo to Malone is insane (and that is not even including the fact that they play totally different positions). But to compare Rondo to Malone and say "just like Malone", sorry, this shows you have no clue about the game. Guess Robert Horry is the second coming of Bill Russell?

    Best Power Forwards of all Time: Spot 2

    Like Barkley, "The Mailman" never delivered a championship. (Again, thanks Mike!) But that only slightly diminishes the 18 incredible seasons he played with John Stockton for the Utah Jazz. A devastating finisher in transition and on pick-and-roll plays, Malone made 11 All-NBA first teams, won two MVPs and even made three All-Defensive first teams. No NBA player has shot and made more free throws, none have pulled down more defensive rebounds and only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has scored more points.

    - USA TODAY Sports

     

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to puddinpuddin's comment:

    In response to BaileyPowe's comment:

     

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

    karl, why is it so important to you that this player be cast in the worst possible light that you would resort to posting such irresponsible crap as this? 

     

    Rondo impresses me as a very, very insecure young man, a young man who has a history of problems connecting with appropriate father figures.

    I suspect that both doc and Perk are father figures to Rondo whom he has glommed onto in ways that do seem peculiarly dependent  for sure for a 27 year old.

     

    I don't consider Karl's post to be irresponsible crap... a bit awkward for sure... and he is hardly putting R9R in the worst possible light.

    Perhaps you need to simply state your concerns about discussing psycho-sexual issues??? w/o presuming what Karls possible motives might be.

    That usually works better in a give/take format.

    Pud



    I think you might have some sort of  epressed sexual desire towards Rondo Mrs Creepers. I think that you spend your evenings watching his taut thighs run up and down the court and hate yourself for doing so.

     

    I am glad that you find these things okay to talk about.

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to Karllost's comment:

    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

     

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

    -------------------------------------------------

    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

     

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     




    Me too.  lets explore this further. So you think Rondo and doc have an odd relationship although they are probably not gay and that you are disturbed by Rondo's friendship with Perkins.

    Please expand on these two fascinatiing subjects.

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to BaileyPowe's comment:

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

    karl, why is it so important to you that this player be cast in the worst possible light that you would resort to posting such irresponsible crap as this? 



    What bad light or irresponsible crap are you referring to??  Please point it out in my post.

    Perhaps your mind jumped to some assumptions that mine did not..  Like when someone yells out in a room "Hey Idiot" and you respond with "What?" assuming they meant you.

    Instead, view my post in the light which it was intended... Why did Doc allow this kid to steer our offense off a cliff?? To not play defense or give it his all when on the court?? To ostiracize other players offensively and limit their effectiveness so Rondo could  dominate the ball?? To force Rondos leadership onto the team and public when it was not earned??

    Thats the weird relationship Im speculating about that must have been formed for Doc to allow this to happen or be so blind to it.

    Seems your mind jumped to a different conclusion..thats your problem

     

     
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    Re: Doc:

    In response to snakeoil123's comment:

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    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

     

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

    -------------------------------------------------

    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

     

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     

     




     

    Me too.  lets explore this further. So you think Rondo and doc have an odd relationship although they are probably not gay and that you are disturbed by Rondo's friendship with Perkins.

    Please expand on these two fascinatiing subjects.



    Um, where did you come up with this one?? Manufactured words??

     

     
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    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

     

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

    -------------------------------------------------

    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

     

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     

     




     

    Me too.  lets explore this further. So you think Rondo and doc have an odd relationship although they are probably not gay and that you are disturbed by Rondo's friendship with Perkins.

    Please expand on these two fascinatiing subjects.

     



    Um, where did you come up with this one?? Manufactured words??

     

     



    Sorry..that you find it odd that he has a close frienship with Perkins but that it doesn't disturb you.  Would love to hear more about why this is odd to you and what you think about Rondo and Doc's relationship.

    Fascinating stuff.

     
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    In response to BirdLewsBias' comment:

     

    "We are different without him,'' Ainge explained. "We're running better now because five guys are running. Honestly, I think we rely on Rondo too much.

     

     

    "For example, with Rondo out you see Jeff Green grab a rebound and push it up the court himself. If he gets a rebound when Rondo is playing, he just gives it to him.

    -------------------------------------------------

    This is what I would always complain about. Every time we'd get a rebound everyone would look for Rondo and then we end up walking the ball up court. We have too many guys that can push the ball and now we're seeing it. How many times did we ever see Rondo fill the lanes? Rarely

     




    DA is also taking a shot at Doc for not guiding the team properly and allowing Rondo to play "its my ball" for the last several years...

     

    and whats all this nonsense with Doc suddenly taking a veiled shot at Rondo and expressing his pleasure that all the players are involved and running etc etc///  Not for a moment Doc am I believeing your horse****... Youre the HC and frankly, many fans knew this better than you..

    I truly believe there was/is some sort of weird relationship with Rondo and DOc..not suggesting gay, dont know what it is that kept Doc in locked step with this kid.. Also hit me odd the Perkins said he talks to Rondo every day... there's nobody that I talk to everyday unless they live in my home..

     

     




     

    Me too.  lets explore this further. So you think Rondo and doc have an odd relationship although they are probably not gay and that you are disturbed by Rondo's friendship with Perkins.

    Please expand on these two fascinatiing subjects.

     



    Um, where did you come up with this one?? Manufactured words??

     

     

     



    Sorry..that you find it odd that he has a close frienship with Perkins but that it doesn't disturb you.  Would love to hear more about why this is odd to you and what you think about Rondo and Doc's relationship.

     

    Fascinating stuff.



    Maybe you should tune in to Dr Phil to get your fill of psychoanalysis.. or better yet, become a guest to delve into your fascination concerning Doc and Rondos relationship..

    Unfortunately, Im not as fascinated as you are.. just observant enough to notice

     
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    Re: Doc:

    Supposedly Rondo is not blind to what has happend chemistry wise since his injury.  Rumor has it 

    http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/2/8/3966900/rondo-and-the-celtics-future-best-news-heard-in-a-while

    that Rondo "gets it" now and wants to continue to facilitate this type of offense when he comes back.  Maybe this is the kind of thing that needs to happen to Rondo to realize what potential this team has if he wasn't such a ball hog.  We shall see when he returns...

     

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