Doc was a sunshine coach

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    Doc was a sunshine coach

    Hey, I was out meeting a buddy tonight who was pretty animated about Doc...saying that he's a cream coach who can only work with NBA ready players, has no eye for development and is short-term thinker, and could never adjust his floor and left it to the big 3 to run the floor. I am a HUGE Doc fan but this guy did make some good points. I'm a bit drunk now in fairness. 

     
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    What's important is he got the job done in 2008.

    Some Celtic fans here are just simply ungrateful or just became Celtic fans when KG and Ray came to Boston.

    Celtic fans of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s just wanted the Celtics to get back to the playoffs. 

    Sure it's disappointing Doc, KG, Pierce, and Ray couldn't get a 2nd ring together. But the Celts have gone a long way since the early 1990s. 

    Think about it, just to make the Celtics release Doc from his contract, the Clips had to give the Celtics a 1st round pick as compensation. If Doc is just an average coach, there's no way the Clips would agree to give the Celts a 1st round pick.



    Amen brother!

     
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    Doc was an average coach.

     
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    Re: Doc was a sunshine coach

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    What's important is he got the job done in 2008.

    Some Celtic fans here are just simply ungrateful or just became Celtic fans when KG and Ray came to Boston.

    Celtic fans of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s just wanted the Celtics to get back to the playoffs. 

    Sure it's disappointing Doc, KG, Pierce, and Ray couldn't get a 2nd ring together. But the Celts have gone a long way since the early 1990s. 

    Think about it, just to make the Celtics release Doc from his contract, the Clips had to give the Celtics a 1st round pick as compensation. If Doc is just an average coach, there's no way the Clips would agree to give the Celts a 1st round pick.




    All due respect Fierce, it is the Clippers

     
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    Re: Doc was a sunshine coach

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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away

     
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    Re: Doc was a sunshine coach

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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away




    Gifted?Laughing

    If NBA is so generous then why don't they just give it to every coach?

     
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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away

     

     




     

     

    Gifted?Laughing

    If NBA is so generous then why don't they just give it to every coach?

     



    You'll have to ask the NBA, I dont give out the awards.

     

    Did you know in Docs first 8 years as head coach of Orlando and Boston he never won a playoff series and had an overall losing record and the best his teams ever did was just slightly above .500?

     
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    Doc coached the players he had on the team. He got the most anyone could have from the big 3, he nurtured Rondo into an all star, he nurtured AB into a good rotational player, he gave Sully important minutes.

    Along with Pop, he is a great in game coach, and I would not have wanted another coach for this team over the past numb of years. 

     

     
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    Doc coached the players he had on the team. He got the most anyone could have from the big 3, he nurtured Rondo into an all star, he nurtured AB into a good rotational player, he gave Sully important minutes.

    Along with Pop, he is a great in game coach, and I would not have wanted another coach for this team over the past numb of years. 

     

    While doc is busy, busy, busy nurturing player(s) into all-stardom, he is having F-bombs dropped on him by said player(s) and  taking a swing at him. Wonder what would have happened if doc had connected?


    And FUNGUS still has hopes that doc will return.

    Go figure.

    Pud

     
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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away

     

     



     

     

    Gifted?Laughing

    If NBA is so generous then why don't they just give it to every coach?

     



    You'll have to ask the NBA, I dont give out the awards.

     

    Did you know in Docs first 8 years as head coach of Orlando and Boston he never won a playoff series and had an overall losing record and the best his teams ever did was just slightly above .500?




    Then who can be called "average coach" in today's NBA?

    To measure something you have to have a standard.

     
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    In response to Fields4's comment:

     

    In response to Karllost's comment:

     

     

     

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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away

     

     


     

     

    Gifted?Laughing

    If NBA is so generous then why don't they just give it to every coach?

     



    You'll have to ask the NBA, I dont give out the awards.

     

    Did you know in Docs first 8 years as head coach of Orlando and Boston he never won a playoff series and had an overall losing record and the best his teams ever did was just slightly above .500?

     




     

    Then who can be called "average coach" in today's NBA?

    To measure something you have to have a standard.

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    Heres a little question to help you understand just how good/bad Doc is as a coach. Rondo gets lots of praise here for turning it on in the playoffs and winning us games. 

    So, should Doc receive credit for motivating ROndos new found effort and drive during the playoffs or should Doc receive criticism for allowing ROndo to underperform and take off parts of the regular season?

     
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    What is your point? Doc is bad because he allegedly can't motivate Rondo for the regular season?

    Is that what you mean?

     
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    Ok everyone, I know what has happened. Ainge hired Doc knowing there were going to be a couple rough years while they were building. Ainge knowing Doc was not a teacher, but was great with veterans, hired him knowing (hopeing) he could trade draft picks/young talent for all stars to match with Paul. When we got Ray and KG, everyone knew because of their ages, there was a 3 to 5 yr window, going more towards the 3 year. Ainge knew after that they  were going to have to be bad to be good agin, so here we are. Now when Ainge was hired, this was all his plan. The Celtics needed a title badly, so he mortgaged the short term future to win a title immediately, then go young and build a team that could win alot over a several year span. Win now, placate the fans, then build for a multiple year title run. Nice job Danny!!

    Have a Green Day!!!

     
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    Ok everyone, I know what has happened. Ainge hired Doc knowing there were going to be a couple rough years while they were building. Ainge knowing Doc was not a teacher, but was great with veterans, hired him knowing (hopeing) he could trade draft picks/young talent for all stars to match with Paul. When we got Ray and KG, everyone knew because of their ages, there was a 3 to 5 yr window, going more towards the 3 year. Ainge knew after that they  were going to have to be bad to be good agin, so here we are. Now when Ainge was hired, this was all his plan. The Celtics needed a title badly, so he mortgaged the short term future to win a title immediately, then go young and build a team that could win alot over a several year span. Win now, placate the fans, then build for a multiple year title run. Nice job Danny!!

    Have a Green Day!!!


    Incredible hindsight.... now if DA can just win the Wiggins sweepstakes, the final piece will be in place.... for a multiple year title run... in our lifetime!!!

    Pud

     
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    Ok everyone, I know what has happened. Ainge hired Doc knowing there were going to be a couple rough years while they were building. Ainge knowing Doc was not a teacher, but was great with veterans, hired him knowing (hopeing) he could trade draft picks/young talent for all stars to match with Paul. When we got Ray and KG, everyone knew because of their ages, there was a 3 to 5 yr window, going more towards the 3 year. Ainge knew after that they  were going to have to be bad to be good agin, so here we are. Now when Ainge was hired, this was all his plan. The Celtics needed a title badly, so he mortgaged the short term future to win a title immediately, then go young and build a team that could win alot over a several year span. Win now, placate the fans, then build for a multiple year title run. Nice job Danny!!

    Have a Green Day!!!

     


    Incredible hindsight.... now if DA can just win the Wiggins sweepstakes, the final piece will be in place.... for a multiple year title run... in our lifetime!!!

     

    Pud

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    Yes I know, hindsight is 20/20. But to keep going on, we do have to believe in something! lol! Its the best we can hope for!

     

     
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    No GM can know or have a plan of what he will do a week from now, let alone a few years down the road.  Ainge did not placate the fans, he just did what he thought was the right thing at the time.  And he was right because where would we be with big Al, or Ratliff or Telfair or Green or whatever else that we gave the Timberwolves.  Coach does not play the game but I can't respect a person who says one thing with a fanfare and intended to garner some kudos one week and the next he is something else.  That is just disengenuous and low.  Nothing wrong with not wanting to go through the tough time but let's be straight about it, I can respect that more than this deceptive media hungry person who wants to have it both ways.

     
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    Re: Doc was a sunshine coach

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    Hey, I was out meeting a buddy tonight who was pretty animated about Doc...saying that he's a cream coach who can only work with NBA ready players, has no eye for development and is short-term thinker, and could never adjust his floor and left it to the big 3 to run the floor. I am a HUGE Doc fan but this guy did make some good points. I'm a bit drunk now in fairness. 




    yep because phil jackson was different and red was known for maxing up with undrafted  guys right? how about pops? how many rooks dominate his teams? doc was no great exception. doc did develop and push AB, rondo, perk, al j, and  a few others. if doc had to do it, he could.. hejust knows if it becomes a habit, it means he aint WINNING rings or in major contention.

     
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    Re: Doc was a sunshine coach

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    Doc was an average coach.

     




    You're being extremely generous with your assessment.

     

    Doc was gifted COY with Orlando without even making the playoffs.... go figure

    Danny Ainge brought the Celtics a title in 2008 by getting KG & Ray here... and Doc rode their coattails and not much else. KG was defacto player/coach

    Doc is clearly a below average coach as his only attirbute is to allow great players to do what they want and hope they're good enough to win a title....  this is personnified with his mishandling non-handling of ROndo

    Celtics should have never let THibs slip away



    Ok, Doc’s just not a good coach?  I guess we need to decide what constitutes a good coach.  W-L records?  Player improvement?  Overall team management?  Player and game management?  What is it?

    Doc inherited a team in serious demand of therapy.

    Think anyone could have won with Mark Blount, Marcus Banks, Antoine, Gary Payton Jiri Welsh and Delonte West?  So why bash Doc for not leading them to a championship?  He’s lucky he got them to show up on time.

    Did any of those players leave here and go on to do anything notable? 

    He got a couple of great players and won.  How many teams have talent and don’t?

    Oh, and to those that say he never won anything with Orlando?  Who did they have?

    Championships are won by players.  Coaches set parameter and MANAGE the talent given them.  Sometimes a coach’s best job is setting attitudes and parameters, stepping aside and letting the players play.  Not saying that’s all Doc did, but in his defense that’s the least he could have done and been as successful as he was.

     

     

     

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