Re: Dr Buss on Lakers/Celtics
posted at 8/21/2010 9:53 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Dr Buss on Lakers/Celtics
[QUOTE]the big game era started with the shot clock.....[/QUOTE]
According to whom?
According to most historians, the big-time era started with Magic and Bird joining the league. It was Magic and Bird that saved the league. There are also people counting the Modern NBA as the time after the NBA/ABA merger. Or if you want to count the Jordan era as the big-time era because he brought global popularity to the game, I have no problem either.
Since the Bird-Magic era, or modern NBA: Lakers 10, Celtics 4
Since the Jordan era: Bulls 6, Lakers 5, Spurs 4, Rockets 2, Celtics 1
No matter what, you are still overmatched.
many of the greatest and most dominant players played between 1957-1969 when the Celtics dominated... over one half of the original "Greatest 50 List" played during this era......the league is now loaded with players that would not have made the grade back in the day....[/QUOTE]
The league is now loaded with players that would have crushed the stiffs back then. $$$$ draws talent, it's the golden rule. Do you think this silly argument of "Oscar, Wilt, Russell can always play in any era" haven't got enough rebuttals? Do you think the NBA back then are all filled with Oscars, Wilts, Russells and Hondos? OK, tell me the greatness of Jackie Moreland, Willie Jones, Lee Shaffer, Dave Gambee, Kenny Sears, Carl Braun...
And tell me why a Luis Scola, a Marc Gasol, an Al Jefferson, a Joey Harrington, etc. can't beat out the Jackie Morelands, the Willie Joneses, the Lee Shaffers, ...
The 130th best player in the league right now, a starter on a non-playoff team or a rotation reserve on a playoff team, train and play with NBA talents day in day out.
The 130th best player back then sold insurance/real estate day in day out.
Which player is better?
Do you think basketball talent is determined solely at the time of birth? training don't count?
[QUOTE]kids with no college experience and players with poor basketball skills...add in the poor officiating (not calling the fouls that are part of the game)......let me ask....did you watch the Laker/Celtics games in the '60's?
Posted by Duke4[/QUOTE]
Yes, I had, very poor games. Won't stand a chance given today's defense. Taking a shot after 10 seconds elapsed in the shot clock? That's Suns/Nuggets/Warriors basketball we saw back in the 1980s/1990s. You should know I am not fond of 124-122 or 119-116 games. Real games have scores like 83-79 or 81-74...
Are you talking about kids with no college experience like Kobe, Garnett, LeBron, T-mac, Jermaine O'Neill. Back in the 90s, in rec.sport.basketball in Usenet, I've seen arguments that "these high school kids have no fundamentals", the league was water down...
The thing is, fans of teams of glorious past (Celtic fans, fans of original six Canadian hockey teams) always think that # legit players to play in a league is fixed. And the funny thing is that it's fixed at the bush league era. Thus, at any era, there are only ~100 players good enough to play in the NBA or NHL. Players outside of that fixed 100 must not belong...