Re: Hero ball player vs. Team ball player - Who is the better player?
posted at 2/4/2011 3:51 PM EST
In Response to Re: Hero ball player vs. Team ball player - Who is the better player?
[QUOTE]The NBA has always had stars, and great individual performers. The three that come to mind as leading the charge for the individual stardom are probably, Wilt, Jordan, and Kobe. The guys that probably leads the charge for team performance first are probably Russell, Bird, and KG, all Celtics. Before the NBA focus on Stars in the nineties, many people considered individual performers to be inferior to team plays as winners. Since the eighties, Jordan and Kobe have won multiple championships, but only with great teams. Jordan did not win until the great Celtic, Lakers and Piston teams were gone. Kobe did not win until he was surrounded by other great players, and the best team, the Celtics had crippling injuries. So while Kobe goes for the spotlight, and tries to claim that he is the best player, the Celtics starting five win the title of best team.
Posted by TeamUmbutu[/QUOTE]
I partially agree, but:
1. Jordan won after the great Celtic, Laker and Piston teams were gone. But, do remember that Jordan was drafted by a below average team, and with below average teams you need time to build them up. Unlike both Bird and Magic, Jordan was not drafted by a time filled with studs. Many will argue that it was just a coincidence that Jordan starting winning after the play of Celtics and Lakers started to dimish. Who knows which team would have defeated whom between the Bulls in their prime vs the Celtics in their prime vs. the Lakers in their prime. What the Chicago Bulls managed to do is in many ways unparalleled in the new NBA era. They won 2 three-peats. Had Jordan not decided to retire twice despite having gas left in the tank, who knows, the Bulls might have won 7 or 8 championships in a row.
2. In the history of the NBA, usually great players need other great players to win championships. So, it is not a knock against Kobe that he needed Shaq or Gasol. Duncan needed Robinson, and Ginobli. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade. KG needed Pierce and Ray. Jordan needed Pippen. Magic needed Kareem. Bird needed McHale. All great players need other great players to help them win.