Re: Hunter's Laughable Comment
posted at 10/29/2011 7:40 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Hunter's Laughable Comment
[QUOTE] Yes, I see your point on the contracts and I see the cause of dysfunction as stemming from both sides, not just the players. There has never been any doubt about that. But i think the players are the ones who need to "see the light" over contract issues. The other issues really don't effect me as much as a fan. I couldn't have made it more clear that I wasn't equating character and intelligence with race. I was referring to the characteristics of NBA players. They are responsible for themselves, and for the characteristics they portray as members of the NBA. We can talk about these characteristics. "What do you think about this guy?" "how about that guy?" Please stop turning a commentary about NBA players into a negative commentary that says one can't say something bad about the stunted growth and uneducated nature portrayed by many players throughout the NBA without it being racist. Widen your frame of reference regarding African Americans. This is silly. I'm happy to talk about the positive examples and give respect for it as well. I did this when I gave positive examples in my last post. You are looking at NBA players through the lens of race and I'm looking at them as individuals. Part of my point was that if you think the NBA players that are black can't be criticized in certain ways without it being a commentary upon the entire scope of black America, than you need to look around and see the very large number of African Americans who portray exceptional characteristics across many other industries as well. Some of them are in the NBA, as I exampled a few. And if you're trying to say that the NBA is full of articulate, educated, mature adults, then I just flat out disagree. And guess what, it has nothing to do with their skin color. And a lot to do with the fact that they never had to earn acceptance by way of study into the Universities they attended (for those of the players who attended university for a year or two. Grant Hill is another exception who went for four years) Again, you are trying to tell me that disagreement on this subject is a no-fly zone. Either I agree with you that from a character stand point, the Stephon Jackson's and the Ron artest's with their character issues and the Shaq's with children by different mothers doesn't oversaturate the league or i'm a bigot. Or if I am against the thought that the questionable levels of wit and learned knowledge that the Tony Allen's and the Delonte West's portray doesn't typify the NBA beyond a few players, then I must be a bigot. This is silly.
Posted by passfirst[/QUOTE]
You missed my point. Let me try again. The issue is NOT that you can't talk about any player you want. We are fans and they are public figures so they are all fair game. My point is that you should make your comments relative to EACH of them as individuals and not generalize the point. I FULLY disagree that the guyyou consider "good character" are the exception and that 3 out of 4 (your words were fore every 1 good character player there are 3 bad character guys) are the norm. That is the issue we are disagreeing about. Talk about whoever you want, but don't lump them all together because every individual is different - and that's true for every walk of life. My point is that when people (like you in this thread) generalize about 75% of all players and it also happens to be that 75% of all players are black, by association, you are saying that black NBA players are low character, low educated, low IQ people. That is the generalization you just will NEVER get me to agree to.
And you should stop doing it because you are NOT being reasonable to the many players in the league.
Did you do the evaluation of a team's roster that i mentioned? Did you do an honest assessment of, for example, the C's roster to tell me that 75% of all C's players are low character guys? Go ahead, please do the evaluation so that you see that lumping most players into one category is massively biased.
If you wonder why race is such a sensitive topic, its because people make these kinds of generalizations. You, me, and every other person in the world wants to be evaluated on our own merit, not made to be categorized as "most people like you do xyz". That's what you are doing to NBA players. Some are role models. Some are bad citizens. That's the way it is in EVERY walk of life. Stop generalizing and talk about the bad apples SPECIFICALLY and not categorize everyone into a broad negative characterization.
Its comments like that which cause my black friends to believe that we whites are always going to be biased against them.