If Cifford Ray was dropped unfairly, Celtics will reap what they have sown...

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    Alot of folks believe that Ainge bringing in KG and Ray Allen was the key to the C's title in '08. I believe that it was the bringing in of Tom Thibodeau and Clifford Ray. Both of these men were class acts. I think that Ainge has been struck by the Jerry Jones syndrome. He can't fathom that he was not the only person involved in the return of the Celtics to power.
     
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    Why don't you guys write to Ainge and tell him that you guys are willing to pay for the salaries of Leon Powe and Clifford Ray. 

    Tom Thibodeau was already head coach material after the Celtics won in 2008. The Celtics were lucky that Thibodeau stayed for 2 more seasons with the Celtics. 

    Didn't the Celtics just beat the Cavs 4-2 in last year's playoffs? Was Leon Powe a factor in that series?
     
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    What exactly would be unfair?  C's don't need him since JON and SON are veterans, and Perk is gone for over half the season.  I also don't expect Perk back the following year, with JON/SON in the fold, unless they really falter.
     
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    I like big Cliff and I'll miss him being with the C's, but I believe that he wasn't offerred a new contract due to the Celtics bigs being veterans. Cliff is a specialist in developing young bigs. I understand why he wasn't resigned and it's not an insult to Cliff. Cliff will find work with another team doing what he does best and that's developing young bigs. Good luck to Big Clifford.
     
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    [QUOTE]I come back to how we dropped Leon Powe unfairly over his knee. Then, guess what? On the door step of a championship, we are done in by a bad knee! Coincidence?! Or greater laws of the universe at work?
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]

    I might have agreed with you sometime back (and probably did) when the C's went into a major funk the last half of the 2010 season with injuries/chemistry issues, particularly with Leon's Cavs looking like world beaters all the way up to the playoffs (when some of LBJ's bad karma no doubt caught up with them) but no!

    The C's were very lucky (positive karma???) to get to the doorstep of #18. They didn't deserve to get that close.

    I certainly did not like their treatment of LeonP... but they dodged that bullet. Leon-related bad karma did not bring them down last year.  

    Maybe it was..... "Taint!!!"   Wink

    NOT!

    Pud
     
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    wow.  hard to read this unfair to leon stuff.  i don't understand what wasn't fair.  he's done.  i liked the guy as a person but he's on his third blowouts on each knee.  if there was any injustice in the realm of merit to our dispatching of powe, wouldn't it have been that he would have gotten run time and hurt us in that cleveland series last year??

    i mean, jameson stunk.  they would have welcomed a 4 who could have done something.  every time hickson was on the floor he looked bashful and like he had wet his pants.  the cavs could have used powe!  where was he?  not enough mobility left to contribute.

    the same thing goes for perkins.  leon was a top flight scorer in college before the first of the blowouts.  perkins was barely tolerable before his first blowout.  he likely will never be worth having on the floor again for a winning team.  i hope we don't hang onto him just for the idea that he did something for us.

    at the end of the day, perkins created more celtic ill will with the referees than the combined rosters of the last 15 years.  not smart team play.  yeah, he did some good dirty work banging around, but so does davis without all the jazz with the refs.  in the unpopular realm of reality, perkins skated along on kg's coat tails, plain and simple. 
     
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    Actually Leon blew out his left knee only... twice. No surgeries on his right knee at all.

    Left knee: First time injured.... after his junior year in HS and he had reconstructive surgery (as insurance budget allowed I suspect) played as a HS senior and had a wonderful year. 

    Recruited by and went  to Cal the next season... and was named PAC-10 Freshman.

    At the end of his successful freshman year, during a routine physical, doctors thought it best (more preventative than anything) to redo earlier knee surgery with a more sophisticated two step bone graft and  reconstructive surgery strategy such that he sat out all of his sophomore season.

    He came back his junior year, Powe had another great season and decided to come out for the NBA draft.

    Then in the 2009 NBA  playoffs, Powe tore his ACL in the same left knee. The rest is history.

    Two blow outs of the left knee. Three surgeries.

    Pud
     
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    Re: If Cifford Ray was dropped unfairly, Celtics will reap what they have sown...

    WHY NOT SEND CLIFFORD TO THE D-LEAGUE AND WORK WITH BIGS

     
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    THE GRIZZLIES SHOULD JUMP ON RAY TO HELP THEIR 2 YOUNG DUDES.....
     
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    In Response to Re: If Cifford Ray was dropped unfairly, Celtics will reap what they have sown...:
    [QUOTE]Two blow outs of the left knee. Three surgeries. Pud
    Posted by puddinpuddin[/QUOTE]

    For a right handed person like Leon, the left leg is most important for explosiveness
     

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