If we could get Rudy then.....

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    [QUOTE]A tease for those still hoping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxFTc-Su2GI From Oregonlive.com: "Can Blazers GM Rich Cho get something done with Fernandez in five weeks? Cho has said repeatedly that he will only do a deal that is in the best interests of the Blazers, absolutely the correct stance to take. And Fernandez's frustrations aren't necessarily going to end with a trade. As Evans Clinchy writes on NESN.com, if Fernandez goes to Boston, one of his desired destinations, his role could be just as limited as he thinks it is with the Blazers." True, but only temporarily ... should he pan out he'd be the go to guy behind RA and/or PP after this year so there is a light at the end of the tunnel unlike the one in Portland.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Sorry to say Rudy would never be the go-to guy for the Celtics!
     
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    heirplan, I agree, Rudy would never be a go-to guy for the Celtics.  On the contrary, I just haven't seen much from him.  Honestly, I've never seen a game in which he got hot and did anything significant.  He's an NBA player for Spain and, honestly, he's about the 5th or 6th best player that I've seen on their team.

    When you look at the defense Pierce plays on a player like Lebron and the defense Ray plays on a guy like Kobe, I just don't see Rudy as a viable backup to either of these guys.
     
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    [QUOTE]heirplan, I agree, Rudy would never be a go-to guy for the Celtics.  On the contrary, I just haven't seen much from him.  Honestly, I've never seen a game in which he got hot and did anything significant.  He's an NBA player for Spain and, honestly, he's about the 5th or 6th best player that I've seen on their team. When you look at the defense Pierce plays on a player like Lebron and the defense Ray plays on a guy like Kobe, I just don't see Rudy as a viable backup to either of these guys.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]

    KB24 averaged 28.6 points a game against Boston in the Finals. You call that defense by Ray?? KB24's average in the regular season was 26 so where is this mythical defense by ray??

    As for wheelchair's defense against LBJ, laughable. I won't use stats again to shut you down as the posts I've seen you make speak volumes about your knowledge about basketball!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : KB24 averaged 28.6 points a game against Boston in the Finals. You call that defense by Ray?? KB24's average in the regular season was 26 so where is this mythical defense by ray?? As for wheelchair's defense against LBJ, laughable. I won't use stats again to shut you down as the posts I've seen you make speak volumes about your knowledge about basketball!!
    Posted by KB24RULZ[/QUOTE]

    I am not going to get into a back and forth with you.  You watched the Finals and you saw how extremely hard Kobe worked to get his.  Other than the 3rd quarter in one of those games (don't remember the game number), Kobe got the majority of his points because he shot so much.  His shooting percentage was horrible but you call it what you want.

    As for the regular season, he played in one of the two games and it took a difficult shot in the final seconds to bring home the Laker win.  Let's not argue over this.  If you feel Kobe dominated and you dismiss the defense played on him by Ray and Tony Allen, then believe what you believe.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I am not going to get into a back and forth with you.  You watched the Finals and you saw how extremely hard Kobe worked to get his.  Other than the 3rd quarter in one of those games (don't remember the game number), Kobe got the majority of his points because he shot so much.  His shooting percentage was horrible but you call it what you want. As for the regular season, he played in one of the two games and it took a difficult shot in the final seconds to bring home the Laker win.  Let's not argue over this.  If you feel Kobe dominated and you dismiss the defense played on him by Ray and Tony Allen, then believe what you believe.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CZGXOhVBio&feature=fvsr

    Says it all about rays defense (or total lack of!)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Before you go out hating on immigrants and the public school system you should first look at yourself in the mirror. Does your insecurity stem from the fact that you're fat? If that's the case why don't you go to the gym and exercise. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    You two get along like the original Pierce and Walker.
    Or Martin and Lewis
    Or Shaq and koME
    Or Simon and Garfunkel!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : You two get along like the original Pierce and Walker. Or Martin and Lewis Or Shaq and koME Or Simon and Garfunkel!
    Posted by hedleylamarr[/QUOTE]
       I got a good laugh from this reply.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Before you go out hating on immigrants and the public school system you should first look at yourself in the mirror. Does your insecurity stem from the fact that you're fat? If that's the case why don't you go to the gym and exercise. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    I question (yet again) your ability to understand the English language, hence my comment that you interpret as a slur to immigrants (???) ... where, pray tell, did I say this; "you would prefer another SF like Wilson Chandler as an insurance policy?" Yet again you attribute words to me that I have not spoken!

    If you think PP is on the upside of his career and does not need to shave playing minutes, for his own good and that of the team, then you are in denial. Injuries and loss of leg strenght are the first signs of aging and decline which we got a good dose of last year, especially in a long, drawn out playoffs. You'd have to be betting on blind faith that Pierce will be able to play another year like he did two or three years ago let alone last year for the next four years. Just because they gave him four doesn't mean they expect him to start or play at the same level for that entire contract. If they get two good years they should be happy. The third year is a crap shoot and they better have a guy ready to take over his spot or a very good backup. Forget about year four ... that was a throw in for being a good soldier.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Sorry to say Rudy would never be the go-to guy for the Celtics!
    Posted by heirplain[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I disagree ... he could easily be RA's replacement after being his understudy for a year. If you think Allen was so good defensively then you won't be disappointed in Rudy in a year after being indoctrinated into the system. That said, I'm still intrigued with J Hayes ... I don't know where Fierce gets the idea that I want Chandler.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Sorry, I disagree ... he could easily be RA's replacement after being his understudy for a year. If you think Allen was so good defensively then you won't be disappointed in Rudy in a year after being indoctrinated into the system. That said, I'm still intrigued with J Hayes ... I don't know where Fierce gets the idea that I want Chandler.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Then put on record who do you think will get traded for BBD. Since you think the SF position is more of a concern than keeping BBD then who do you think will get traded for BBD? 

    If you have been watching the FIBA World Championships then you must know that right now Fernandez is only worth a 2nd round pick. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I never said any such thing though I'm sure it's on Danny's list of "Things to do before 2013." I certainly hope so, anyway, don't you?!?! The only controversy is your inability to comprehend basic English ... are you an immigrant or a byproduct of the public school system? Seriously ...
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    That statement CLEARLY STATES that if a person is an immigrant or is a byproduct of the public school system then he or she is not as "comprehensive" as regular Americans or people that attend private schools. It only shows that you look down on immigrants and people from public schools. Discrimination is what it is.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I never said any such thing though I'm sure it's on Danny's list of "Things to do before 2013." I certainly hope so, anyway, don't you?!?! The only controversy is your inability to comprehend basic English ... are you an immigrant or a byproduct of the public school system? Seriously ...
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]


    Seiously, as a high school teacher in a public school, I am offended by this comment.

    "We am not al stoopid."
     
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    KB24 averaged 28.6 points a game against Boston in the Finals. You call that defense by Ray?? KB24's average in the regular season was 26 so where is this mythical defense by ray??


    Let's look at bit inside the numbers.  Bryant's FG% vs the C's in the Finals was 40.5% / 3pt% 3.2%,in the regular season it was 45.6% / 3pt% 3.7%.  Vs Pheonix it was 52.1% / 3pt% 4.3%, Utah 52.3% / 3pt% 2.5% and vs OKC 40.8%/4.3%. 

    Clearly Bryant put up more shots, far less (5% less) effectively to get more points.  That points to the excellent defensive effort put forth by RA. OKC also was effective vs Bryant. Bryant was able to light up inferior defensive squads from PHO and Utah
     
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    croc, thanks for backing up my point with the numbers.  KB24RULZ just puts up some PPG numbers like that's all that matters.  He appears to be well-informed so he should agree that the stats YOU add show Kobe worked hard/struggled and was not as "Kobe-esque" in the Finals.  The funny thing is that we all saw the Finals and it was obvious, regardless of statistics, that Ray and Tony Allen did an admirable job on him.

    But again, this thread is about Rudy.

    Mployee8, Rudy could be Ray's understudy for a year.  However, I truly believe Von Wafer can be that too.  We need someone who can score but, more important, someone who can back up Pierce from a defensive standpoint.  PP worked really hard and was a solid defensive man on man defender.  With Bradley, Nate and Wafer providing some scoring punch off the bench, I'm not so sure Marquis can be that backup to PP.
     
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    In Response to: Then put on record who do you think will get traded for BBD. Since you think the SF position is more of a concern than keeping BBD then who do you think will get traded for BBD?  If you have been watching theIBA World Championships then you must know that right now Fernandez is only worth a 2nd round pick. Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    You want me to pick a SF out of all the players in the league that might be traded for BBD? You're Delonte West, right?

    I'm not Danny Ainge and I never said the C's would trade BBD for Rudy. Rudy could be had for Gaffney & Lafayette with a draft pick ... 2nd or first, doesn't make much difference if you think the C's come in 1st or 2nd in the East. BBD would only be a part of an expanded trade if Portland put another player in the pot.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : That statement CLEARLY STATES that if a person is an immigrant or is a byproduct of the public school system then he or she is not as "comprehensive" as regular Americans or people that attend private schools. It only shows that you look down on immigrants and people from public schools. Discrimination is what it is.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    I wasn't talking about people in general ... I was talking to YOU, as you prove my point that you don't read to understand but read to judge. Only an immigrant who doesn't understand the English language or a native (not meant to be perceived as Indian) who went (or failed to show up) to public school and apply themselves exhibits the poor reading comprehension as displayed by you over and over and over ... It's discrimination against your poor judgement of other peoples' writing ... PERIOD!!!
     
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    [QUOTE] Mployee8, Rudy could be Ray's understudy for a year.  However, I truly believe Von Wafer can be that too.  We need someone who can score but, more important, someone who can back up Pierce from a defensive standpoint.  PP worked really hard and was a solid defensive man on man defender.  With Bradley, Nate and Wafer providing some scoring punch off the bench, I'm not so sure Marquis can be that backup to PP.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]

    Petey ... Putting short term fixes aside (which I believe Wafer is), I really see Rudy as a longer term scoring, slashing, shooting guard that may be able to take over for Ray Allen. He's in a tough spot with all eyes on him now to prove his demands and his worth. But given his history in Europe and the short time he's been here (US), I think he will adjust to new surroundings and regain his confidence and the small price paid for him could reap huge rewards. Sooner or later the C's will need to replace both Pierce and Allen and this kid's game is a lot like Allen's. By no means am I saying he's the next RA but he has the shooting, speed, length and ability to develop into a very good SG. I see Wafer as more of a one or two dimensional player - spot up jump shooter or athletic move to the rim. Something I'm sure Rudy can do as well and more.

    We still need a power SF, agreed. But now with the addition of West (non-guaranteed contract) along with Wafer, Bradley, Robinson and Rondo we have a log jam at the guard spot with really only Daniels available at the 3 behind Pierce. We really need a bigger SF and maybe Danny has a trade in mind a few months out to realign the roster ... I certainly hope so and here's to hoping that Quis finds the game he lost. I read somewhere that he lost his mom to diabetes last year and that could account for his lack of aggressiveness. But again, that's short term. We need to find an intermediate term fix or at least a short term one with size that can score some and stay in front of his man defensively and post up with him as needed. I don't have an answer ... hoping someone with some of those criteria gets cut by another team or a trade develops during the year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I wasn't talking about people in general ... I was talking to YOU , as you prove my point that you don't read to understand but read to judge. Only an immigrant who doesn't understand the English language or a native (not meant to be perceived as Indian) who went (or failed to show up) to public school and apply themselves exhibits the poor reading comprehension as displayed by you over and over and over ... It's discrimination against your poor judgement of other peoples' writing ... PERIOD!!!
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    In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I never said any such thing though I'm sure it's on Danny's list of "Things to do before 2013." I certainly hope so, anyway, don't you?!?! The only controversy is your inability to comprehend basic English ... are you an immigrant or a byproduct of the public school system? Seriously ...
    Posted by Mployee8



    Seiously, as a high school teacher in a public school, I am offended by this comment.

    "We am not al stoopid."

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : I wasn't talking about people in general ... I was talking to YOU , as you prove my point that you don't read to understand but read to judge. Only an immigrant who doesn't understand the English language or a native (not meant to be perceived as Indian) who went (or failed to show up) to public school and apply themselves exhibits the poor reading comprehension as displayed by you over and over and over ... It's discrimination against your poor judgement of other peoples' writing ... PERIOD!!!
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Stop trying to wiggle your way out of trouble. Even Hedley got offended by what you said. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to: Then put on record who do you think will get traded for BBD. Since you think the SF position is more of a concern than keeping BBD then who do you think will get traded for BBD?  If you have been watching theIBA World Championships then you must know that right now Fernandez is only worth a 2nd round pick. Posted by P34[/QUOTE] You want me to pick a SF out of all the players in the league that might be traded for BBD? You're Delonte West, right? I'm not Danny Ainge and I never said the C's would trade BBD for Rudy. Rudy could be had for Gaffney & Lafayette with a draft pick ... 2nd or first, doesn't make much difference if you think the C's come in 1st or 2nd in the East. BBD would only be a part of an expanded trade if Portland put another player in the pot.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Name calling again? Look in the mirror and you might find similarities between yourself and Mike Sweetney. 

    In case you didn't hear Delonte West will sign with the Celtics today. So much for your Rudy Fernandez being Ray Allen's understudy.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Stop trying to wiggle your way out of trouble. Even Hedley got offended by what you said. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    Trouble? Even Hedley has a sense of humor ... catch the post script quote?

    I'm sure Hedley understands that all teachers and students are not created equal ... that said, I will now put you on ignore since you're a waste of time as are your posts.
     
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    In Response to Name calling again? Look in the mirror and you might find similarities between yourself and Mike Sweetney.  In case you didn't hear Delonte West will sign with the Celtics today. So much for your Rudy Fernandez being Ray Allen's understudy.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    Ainge is accumulating assets that can be used in a trade later ... doubtful he keeps West, Wafer, Bradley & Nate to backup Rondo & Allen. And again, I said he could be, not would be Allen's understudy ... unbelieveable how caught up you are at trying to discredit other peoples' posts. The Great Fierce has predicted or decreed that the C's will no longer entertain the idea of acquiring Rudy Fernandez. Danny watched the FIBA games and decided that West was his man. Good luck Paul Pierce - pray Marquis Daniels wakes up and thinks it's 2008 all over again.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If we could get Rudy then..... : Trouble? Even Hedley has a sense of humor ... catch the post script quote? I'm sure Hedley understands that all teachers and students are not created equal ... that said, I will now put you on ignore since you're a waste of time as are your posts.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Even if you put me on ignore it still won't change the fact that you look down on immigrants and people that came from the public school system. 

    If teachers and students are not created equal then why did you come to the conclusion that I'm either an immigrant or from the public school system? Do you have experience in dealing with immigrants or people from public schools?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Name calling again? Look in the mirror and you might find similarities between yourself and Mike Sweetney.  In case you didn't hear Delonte West will sign with the Celtics today. So much for your Rudy Fernandez being Ray Allen's understudy. Posted by P34[/QUOTE] Ainge is accumulating assets that can be used in a trade later ... doubtful he keeps West, Wafer, Bradley & Nate to backup Rondo & Allen. And again, I said he could be, not would be Allen's understudy ... unbelieveable how caught up you are at trying to discredit other peoples' posts. The Great Fierce has predicted or decreed that the C's will no longer entertain the idea of acquiring Rudy Fernandez. Danny watched the FIBA games and decided that West was his man. Good luck Paul Pierce - pray Marquis Daniels wakes up and thinks it's 2008 all over again.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    A player that is rumored to be sleeping with his teammate's mom is an asset?

    Somone that carries loaded guns in a guitar case is an asset for the CIA maybe.
     
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    Aside from P34 going off the reservation for a little while and calling someone else fat, he pretty much owned this thread. 

    I did learn some interesting things: some people think calling someone an immigrant is a funny insult, some people think that Rudy Fernandez can ball even though Petey, one of the smartest posters on this forum by far, annihilated that notion, some people stupidly think that we should trade BBD even though our most likely rivals in the east (Chicago, Orlando, Miami), all have either big bodies we need to match up against or in the case of Miami, one weakness we can exploit if we have the personnel. It's not so much that we don't need a backup for Pierce, sure it would be nice, but shouldn't we hope Daniels can play that role at this point? 

    I also learned I'll need to put KB24 on ignore to get through the season, what a horrible addition to the forum this no-life troll is.


     

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