Re: Is Antoine Walker a Celtic Great?
posted at 1/25/2011 3:50 PM EST
In Response to Re: Is Antoine Walker a Celtic Great?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is Antoine Walker a Celtic Great? : You do know that 4 of these players are in the hall of fame, and 2 Gervin and Maravich, are in the top 50 of all time don't you!! If Danny had not traded for Ray and KG, you could say the same thing about Pierce, as you're saying about Antoine!! P.S. Antoine wasn't better than Wilt, Michael, or Larry either!!
Posted by kyceltic[/QUOTE]
Maybe the issue is how you define "great". AW is not great in the sense that he delivered championships. He cannot be compared with Bird, Russell, Jo Jo, Havlicek, MCHale, Parish, etc. By that definition, he is NOT a great Celtic. if the measure is a person who played his career in Boston and helped make his team al that he could and was a leader of his team, getting as much out of them as possible - perhaps even overachieving? By that measure, he is a great Celtic. He led his team by delivering more rebounds than all of his teammates, the most important assists, shot the big shots or handled the ball to get the ball to Pierce who shot the big shots, etc. Took stupid 3's, yes. So, he's a "favorite" Celtic because he was the heart and soul of his team. Paul has more scoring talent. AW had more all around talent and was more of a leader. Had they gotten a Ray Allen and KG to play with them, we would have seen a different AW - but we'll never know now.
So, I call him an all time Celtic "Favorite" even if he's not "great" because his team never won a championship.
Key point already made - the difference in Pierce and AW in results is SOLELY who they played with. Paul had a pretty BAD reputation until he got to play with Ray and KG. Then people started recognizing what he brought to the table. Before that - he was often labeled talented but selfish and immature, etc. Remember the headband thing in the playoffs and George Karl's accusations about him in international ball? I never believed it but that was Paul's rep until he got to play with other bad players. All of a sudden, he was "a good defensive player, a good teammate who only cares about winning, etc". Guess who else would be the same if he got to play with these guys? Guess who was a valuable member of a championship team (Miami Heat) because he played with better players?